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Old 05-21-2018, 10:39 PM   #1
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In a bit of a low here folks and it's not even from a situation that directly affects me in any real way, but it really got me thinking. Is it ever worth it in any circumstance to sell off every single firearm you have? To give some context to the situation, my closest friend just had to put down her cat due to being unable to afford the surgery / blood transfusions necessary to save its life. She's be looking at a cost of near $4,000 AFTER the $1,100 or so just from the diagnostics. While this pet was not my own, I was there when she found it as a stray kitten and it has been a constant presence in my life as much as my own dog has been.

I was not in a financial position to be able to help either, ironically the reason being that we just saved our dog from Renal Failure and paid just over $5,000 out of pocket to do so, but after doing a bit of number crunching I found that if I had taken a week or so to sell off every firearm, every magazine, and maybe the ammunition I have I could likely have afforded to save her cat. This guilt is kind of weighing me down because I didn't even consider it until it was too late. As much as I love my rifles, the matching Maltby Enfield in particular, I feel as though I'd drop them all in a heartbeat if it meant saving even just a beloved pet. So I ask you fellows. Do you think it is ever worth it to get rid of them ALL in any circumstance? What would it take for you? Ever been in such a situation in which you've been forced to part with a prized piece for some reason or another?

Disclaimer: This thread has nothing to do with "surrendering" firearms or confiscation. It's about making a choice between keeping your firearms or giving them up for something "more important." Please keep the political stuff in the proper section below.
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Old 05-21-2018, 10:44 PM   #2
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I have personally sold an entire collection that I spent years acquiring, chasing specific firearms all over the country while dropping thousands in the process all to help a friend who was in a bad spot.

There is nothing more important than friends and family. That includes mans best friend too. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
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Old 05-21-2018, 10:54 PM   #3
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If the times get hard enough, you will have to do whatever it takes. Does imminent loss of a pet equate to hard times? I guess that would depend on the individual. I know people that have paid for chemotherapy for pets.
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I lost my dog a few years ago. I had the money for the vet and their was no question. She was old but after so many years you could read the love in her eyes. The vet got her stable and told me a weeks worth of medication would cost about $100. I bought 3 months worth, that was the most they were allowed to sell to me at one time. She died a few days later. My point is that death is a fact of life. Selling everything to help someone get back on their feet is one thing. Selling everything for a cause that can not be won such as a terminal illness is another. The animal in most cases can not be given a better life just a prolonged end. It is a heartbreaking fact of life, do not feel guilty, just give comfort to the survivors.
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Unless it's my wife or kids, no.

Definitely not for an animal.
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I lost my dog a few years ago. I had the money for the vet and their was no question. She was old but after so many years you could read the love in her eyes. The vet got her stable and told me a weeks worth of medication would cost about $100. I bought 3 months worth, that was the most they were allowed to sell to me at one time. She died a few days later. My point is that death is a fact of life. Selling everything to help someone get back on their feet is one thing. Selling everything for a cause that can not be won such as a terminal illness is another. The animal in most cases can not be given a better life just a prolonged end. It is a heartbreaking fact of life, do not feel guilty, just give comfort to the survivors.
Been there, done that.

Well said sir!

Sorry about the loss of your dog.
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Emergencies of any kind are just that, emergencies. You never know when they'll strike, or what they'll be. When they come you do whatever is necessary to get through them. If one must sell off guns, tools, automobiles, etc... to get through an emergency, then that is what one must do.

However, one thing we do know is that emergencies will happen. Even if you can't prepare for the specifics, you should have 6-8 months worth of expenses set aside just for emergencies. Then when these things strike you can write the check and be 100% there for your friends and family who need you.

I've experienced emergencies completely broke and had to scramble together cash fast. While I was able to cover the costs, I wasn't there mentally and emotionally for the people who needed me. I was too worried about getting the money together. Eliminating or minimizing that burden with an emergency fund, has since enabled me to be there for friends and family in a time of crisis.

It also changes your definition of an emergency. When I was broke a flat tire was an emergency. With an emergency fund, ER visits and even simple surgeries don't rock the boat.

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I lost my dog a few years ago. I had the money for the vet and their was no question. She was old but after so many years you could read the love in her eyes. The vet got her stable and told me a weeks worth of medication would cost about $100. I bought 3 months worth, that was the most they were allowed to sell to me at one time. She died a few days later. My point is that death is a fact of life. Selling everything to help someone get back on their feet is one thing. Selling everything for a cause that can not be won such as a terminal illness is another. The animal in most cases can not be given a better life just a prolonged end. It is a heartbreaking fact of life, do not feel guilty, just give comfort to the survivors.
Absolutely.


And to answer your question, I would sell almost everything.
I need to keep at least 1-2 firearms and ammo/mags to defend that which I am trying to save.

Let’s be realistic... if SHTF there will be more rifles and weapons to take off the dead, but you need to be armed at first to avoid being one of the dead.
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I went through a quasi peaceful divorce, I sold a good portion of my collection and had the rest earmarked for sale if things went South.

I didn't have to sell it off but if I did I would have kept a rifle and handgun and given my brother the family heirloom guns
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Unless it's my wife or kids, no.

Definitely not for an animal.
A wife can whore around behind your back, lie and clean you out. A kid can turn into a little shit. An animal is loyal forever. Give me 2 dogs over a whore wife and a bratty ass kid any day.
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My answer is yes. Fortunately I've not had to make this exact decision, but I have had to pay out about $10K for each of my two Shar-peis for major procedures.

The first time, it involved a situation where their intestines were invading their lung cavity due to a diaphragm not completely sealing. The effect was akin to them slowly drowning. We had to act.

They each had to be opened up, the intestines pulled out of the lung cavity, and stapled to their rib cage. Then the Diaphragm sphincter muscle had to be sown up so that the intestines would not migrate again.

This happened at the age of 6 months. Exactly two months apart. That was in mid 2013.





In late 2015 it happened again. Turns out that as they grew, the stitching and stapling came off and they had to be operated on again.

Would we do it again..? Absolutely.

Would I sell my guns to finance the procedure if I had to..? YUP.






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Hard times call for hard measures. If you have to sell your stuff to get out of a bind then so be it but once you're out of your bind try to reacquire the stuff you had to sell. Nothing is permanent, you can always buy more guns again after you're out of the hardship that made you sell them.
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Its a tough call. We recently had a stray we brought home from the pound and the vet told us it was going to cost us close to 1k to keep the dog under observation for several days and nights...my wife decided it best to tak ethe dog home and let her have her final days in comfort...damn dog lived for another 4 years. Glad I did not spend the money.

On the other hand, I tend to not get too emotional about my pets, regardless of how long they have been with the family...its a distinction I made as a kid and have kept with it until today.

No, I would not go to great lengths to save a pet...family and friends, in a heart beat.
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Yep. I'd sell one of my bikes, tools, or a watch or something first. I'd stop at my first handgun and an AK though when it came to firearms.

Bikes especially can be replaced with a newer one. Firearms, less so, but they too can be replaced generally.

I can't replace family.
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Hard times call for hard measures. If you have to sell your stuff to get out of a bind then so be it but once you're out of your bind try to reacquire the stuff you had to sell. Nothing is permanent, you can always buy more guns again after you're out of the hardship that made you sell them.
Agree but OP went into deep philosophical thought because of a fucking cat.
You could probably get a replacement cat for free...
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A guy does what he has too when he is in a spot.

However, the handful of guns that I have inherited from my Father and Grandfather......I think I'd rather die than sell those off.
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Just buried my beloved Ridgeback a couple of weeks ago. Cancer. You do what you need to do for those you love. Sell some, maybe. The important thing is the animals quality of life. They should not suffer for our benefit. My big guy hated the vet visits, pills and the rest of the treatment. We suspended it for the last few quality months of his life.
You may have a bill that affects you or your family come along. That might be a better time for cash in.
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Hard times call for hard measures. If you have to sell your stuff to get out of a bind then so be it but once you're out of your bind try to reacquire the stuff you had to sell. Nothing is permanent, you can always buy more guns again after you're out of the hardship that made you sell them.
well that true in present there TheGreek!, but the way shit is going, it's not going to be that way in the near future unless the CW 2.0 actually comes to fruition to be frank about the subject.
the best advice i can give Jagick, is sell anything but firearms, because it's looking more like we will have use them in the near future.
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Yeah I’d sell everything but a pistol and a little ammo for my 4.
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I have always been taught to NEVER sell my tools because I need the money. Gun’s are tools let’s face it. I live within my means and won’t part with any of my tools just because I need money, I can find it some other way.
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you have to remember they are still just pets even if there part of the family. had to have a couple of the daughters cats put down and yes it was a bad week everytime it happened.
i not saying don't spend the money on normal yearly checkups but if it thousands in vet bills... sometimes hard choices have to be made.

no i would not sell a weapon to extend a pets life no matter how much they meant to me.
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Agree but OP went into deep philosophical thought because of a fucking cat.
You could probably get a replacement cat for free...
Hate to say it...but I'm with you on this one....

It's a cat and it's not YOUR cat...

what if a couple of months down the line you find yourself in a similar situation...but this time it's blood relatives or your house...now you have nothing to sell to save yourself...

Cats are a dime a dozen...

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Unless it's my wife or kids, no.

Definitely not for an animal.
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I have always been taught to NEVER sell my tools because I need the money. Gun’s are tools let’s face it. I live within my means and won’t part with any of my tools just because I need money, I can find it some other way.
^that's the "mindset" to have there IdahoMike.
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I wouldn’t sell any over a pet, and I like most cats and dogs.
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without hesitation .Pets are like family to me. LITERAL family. I have no problem dropping thousands on one if it saves them
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For family? Yeah.
For animals.. Nope. You know there are perfectly health dogs and cats getting euthanized every day. No reason to prolong the suffering of a sick one.

In my experience with dogs getting cancer, it is best left alone. I have never met anyone that had the treatments do anything good.. My brothers dog has had a lump for like six years, it is now more like a dozen or more and they are increasing rapidly, but the dog is still happy and wants to play.. My aunt and Uncle had a dog that was about the same age, had a similar thing but they had it removed, dog died inside of a year.. But old kattie the tumor infested stray shop dog is still chugging along.. Almost completely grey now, used to be a red/brown coat..

I like the dog well enough, it has been around for 10+ years now.. But I also know that no amount of money will fix the dog so I don't need to make any grand gestures to make myself feel better, the dog is dying, it may not be this year, but it is happening.

I did grow up on a small hobby farm-ish thing, and have turned many chickens and other living things into soup. Its not something I care for, but it does permanently change your feelings on the subject of life and death.
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Agree but OP went into deep philosophical thought because of a fucking cat.
You could probably get a replacement cat for free...
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If the death of an animal helps OP to put things in perspective, I see that as a good thing. This event exposed (what the OP perceives to be) a weakness in the life that he has structured for himself. Honest introspection at this juncture will enable him to make wise choices, while the objective costs associated are relatively low.

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QFT. IME, emergencies got a lot more rare when my emergency fund was fully funded. Still happened, just not as often.
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Thinning the herd down to one? Yeah. If you have to, go down to one, use the money from the rest.

If you go all the way to zero, man that's the spot where bad luck comes to rear its ugly face. Don't ever get caught in that position, or you might end up having more than just financial issues. Evil doesn't give you a notice, it doesn't knock, it decides when it's your turn to get tested whether or not you're ready to get the lights turned off. Dress accordingly for the occasion.
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A) never all, we should have an obligation to security as men
B) priorities.. if all other priorities which had precedent have been met
C) personal.. we live in a society which allows individual freedoms.. such as suicide.. financial or literal
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Not for a cat.

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I won't speak as to what set of circumstances would be a worthy cause. That is an individual decision that each of us has to make with regard to what is truly important versus what can be sacrificed. I will say that I see no reason to ever completely disarm myself because if I am to that point, the couple of hundred dollars from selling that last firearm isn't likely to be a world changing thing that makes it all better.

I can certainly understand thinning out a collection down to the necessities though. Part of the reason for most people having a collection is for investment, or as a means of putting cash into a form that is less likely to be spent, but can be turned back into cash quickly.

If a person finds themselves in a situation where they are in desperate need of cash quickly, it only makes sense to sell off items that you don't need. I am of the opinion that everyone needs a pistol to carry for general defense, and a long gun for hunting food, and defense from more significant threats particularly in their home.

With all of that out of the way, everyone should have an emergency savings fund set aside BEFORE they begin accumulating firearms beyond a single pistol and a single long gun. If the transmission went out in your car tomorrow, and you couldn't afford to have it replaced... You can't afford a gun collection. Sell all but one pistol and one long gun NOW before you are in an emergency. Having a bit of a cushion is far more important that bragging about your latest gun on the Internet.
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Unless it's my wife or kids, no.

Definitely not for an animal.
Agree. I know this may sound harsh. But it's the fact.
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Old 05-22-2018, 09:20 AM   #35
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To each his own. But I won't sell a firearm over a pet. If I don't have the money for the vet, I need to re-assess my ability to own one.

I realize that for some people they are like family and if they want to liquidate nice firearms to pay a vet bill, more power to you.
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