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Old 03-17-2019, 07:05 PM   #491
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Heres a few quick pics of my kusa vitz after receiving it back from warranty work for cracked too cover. The warranty sheet states they replaced the top cover and recoil spring.

The new top cover fitment is definitely worse than the one it shipped with originally. The bolt carrier is/was hitting the cover now and has put a few small you yes on the charging handle. And on the left side, the way the cover is hitting the trunnion, its displaced a small bit of metal and theres now a lip that my fingernail catches on. And since the too cover now sticks out so far in the left side, the stock doesnt really want to latch like it did before. I now have to slam it in pretty hard.

Overall, im slightly disappointed in the lack of qc and not noticing these issues, but at the end if the day I should be able to remedy these by bending the cover in on the left side and sanding down the cover where its making contact with the carrier and trunnion.









I understand wanting to get it right and not wanting to send it off again to KUSA, but you shouldn't have to take a dremel to it to get it running unimpeded.

I'd see if they can send a new/improved top cover along with whatever other parts that they fixed in their production since these were originally reported. Sorry you are having to deal with this dude!

I'm still waiting on mine, so I'm sure I'll encounter the same stuff. Just part of being on the "bleeding edge" of AK technology. Haha.
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Old 03-17-2019, 07:34 PM   #492
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DDNC, I was near my KR9 about an hour ago while putting another gun back in the safe.
So i popped the topcover...now keep in mind, i can't 'look' at the area but i did go around it with both my finger tip and finger nail, both inside and outside, and I felt nothing. No crack and no bur.
Also felt the bolt and recoil buffer thingy, and no crazy wear/tear was immediately apparent.

I tried pulling up on the bolt handle both with and without the topcover down, and i couldn't pop it up/off the rails.

We fired about half a dozen types of ammo out of it, but i do believe all but 1 was 115g (other was 124g).

And that's all I know to this point.
Gun hasn't hickupped and no mag issues with either loading or feeding so far.

Will issues arrise down the road? Well only one way to find out.
And since people seem to like to shoot the thing, i don't think it'll be difficult to find volunteers to put more rounds through ours haha.
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Old 03-17-2019, 07:55 PM   #493
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Idk if this is enough to turn me off to them. Still seems like the best route to a vityaz. We crucified them for what, 4 years for hyping up vaporware, now that they're out there are bound to be issues. At least they didn't release them 4 years ago as I'm sure there would have been more issues. See PSA AKV....

Its still on my short list.
I still want one of them, especially since its Vityaz clone unlike the other 9mm AKs, since yet another case popped up on it, I am just going to wait for a bit till this issue gets worked out...
And I guess I misunderstood about it jumping the rails, which is good! As for the trigger, I just worry about the wear not matching with the gun and causing problems with the warranty, which Im sure is overthinking it but I guess thats just how I am.

For me, Im still going to wait with high hopes
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Old 03-17-2019, 08:12 PM   #494
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I think I'll wait for the teething issues to pass. Now where was that Zenith Mp5 RS I was looking at... Hmmmm
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Old 03-17-2019, 08:17 PM   #495
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Ummm errr...no company is going to look for wear patterns that don't match up with the FCG parts.
Honestly, no company cares that much.
Its not as if the cost of a warranty repair is coming out of the pocket of the gunsmith/tech doing the work. If anything, he might be hourly and your firearm is letting him earn a few more dollars.

KUSA seems sincere in trying to deliver good CS. On top of that, they've admitted there is an issue with the topcover and have said it has been corrected in newer models.
Is this true? Hell if I know, I am not sleeping with anyone over there, so just repeating what's been said.
But I give anyone the benefit of the doubt until/unless they proove unworthy of trust. Most manufacturers are quite frankly pretty honest. Those that aren't quickly gain a negative reputation and in 2019, that's a bad bad thing with the internet.
It was easier to be a shitty company and/or have a shitty product in 1989 that's for sure.

TL,DR; the KP/KR9 seems to be reliable and well built. The mags sold for it seem good too.
It has had 1 or 2 relatively minor cosmetic issues.
It is also not inexpensive.

Up to the buyer as to which factors are most important.

Me personally, I'm an old hand at AKs and have had so many minor issues over the years that I've lost count. I don't mind a bit of u-fix-em work but that's just me. I enjoy working with my hands and those firearms I do have to work on I just chalk up to being learning experiences.
Your milage may vary though.
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Old 03-17-2019, 08:32 PM   #496
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Ummm errr...no company is going to look for wear patterns that don't match up with the FCG parts.
Honestly, no company cares that much.

KUSA seems sincere in trying to deliver good CS. On top of that, they've admitted there is an issue with the topcover and have said it has been corrected in newer models.
Is this true? Hell if I know, I am not sleeping with anyone over there, so just repeating what's been said.
But I give anyone the benefit of the doubt until/unless they proove unworthy of trust. Most manufacturers are quite frankly pretty honest. Those that aren't quickly gain a negative reputation and in 2019, that's a bad bad thing with the internet.
It was easier to be a shitty company and/or have a shitty product in 1989 that's for sure.

TL,DR; the KP/KR9 seems to be reliable and well built. The mags sold for it seem good too.
It has had 1 or 2 relatively minor cosmetic issues.
It is also not inexpensive.

Up to the buyer as to which factors are most important.

Me personally, I'm an old hand at AKs and have had so many minor issues over the years that I've lost count. I don't mind a bit of u-fix-em work but that's just me. I enjoy working with my hands and those firearms I do have to work on I just chalk up to being learning experiences.
Your milage may vary though.
There is a lot I'm learning here, which is nice so thank you!

Im a bit hesitant with modding/fixing guns lately as I only have some Veprs and I really dont want to mess those up so I lack the experience in that department!

I am glad that outside of that issue they seem to be running like a champ, which is promising!
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Here’s a pic of mine from today.
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Any shots of the inside?
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I’m with Misha. A cracked top cover is a minor, mostly cosmetic issue. The receiver, trunnion, bolt and all other essential parts all look and function great on mine. If the top cover is the only issue and KUSA fixes it then I’m golden. I’d also be lying if I said I didn’t expect any teething issues so this is part of being an early adopter
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Has the been any KR-9’s with the same issue? Could it be an over gas issue with the KP-9 9mm that doesn’t affect the KR-9 because of the longer barrel?
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Has the been any KR-9ís with the same issue? Could it be an over gas issue with the KP-9 9mm that doesnít affect the KR-9 because of the longer barrel?
This is what I was thinking as well. Have any of the KR9's has this issue yet? I wasn't thinking about it from a gas standpoint though, more like they used different parts between the models. But your theory Seems much more plausible because all of the hardware was supposed to be exactly the same.
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Has the been any KR-9ís with the same issue? Could it be an over gas issue with the KP-9 9mm that doesnít affect the KR-9 because of the longer barrel?
Possibly but I donít think so. This dude has over 1500 rounds through a KP9 and hasnít reported a TC crack.
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A cracked top cover is a minor, mostly cosmetic issue.
Its probably not good for your optic that happens to be mounted on that top cover. Gun still works, but you may have trouble hitting what you're aiming for.
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Why? Its already a moving part as a top cover, so minor shifts will happen regardless. Also we're talking about a 9mm, not a 7.62 NATO target rifle.
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Why? Its already a moving part as a top cover, so minor shifts will happen regardless. Also we're talking about a 9mm, not a 7.62 NATO target rifle.
I think he means bolt slapping it or whateber is impacticting to crack it. Could be wrong
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Why? Its already a moving part as a top cover, so minor shifts will happen regardless. Also we're talking about a 9mm, not a 7.62 NATO target rifle.
If they're having you mount your optic to a dust cover that moves around while it's closed, then they have other problems.

I was expecting that the dust cover was being held firmly in place at the front by the hinge and at the rear by the takedown spring. The dust covers are all cracking there at the second point that would secure them in place.
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well I preordered the Kr-9. I hope I get one with no problems.
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I sent KUSA a DM on Instagram asking what exactly they are doing to fix the issue. e.g. a heavier recoil spring, an improved top cover, etc.. I highly doubt it's just a new and improved top cover.

I'm holding off on shooting mine more. It seems it has only been pistols so far.

I'll post their response. It will probably be vague and obtuse.

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Maybe it needs a buffer? LOL
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Their response.....

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Their response..... They avoided answering my question.

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There's no telling who they have running their Instagram page. If it's the same person that's running their FB page, they don't know a whole lot about anything. I would say they are just paying a PR company to manage their social media pages like FB and instagram.
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There's no telling who they have running their Instagram page. If it's the same person that's running their FB page, they don't know a whole lot about anything. I would say they are just paying a PR company to manage their social media pages like FB and instagram.


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That makes sense. If that's truly the case it's an easy fix but it should have been caught before the pistols shipped out in my opinion. Still, I'm hopeful they'll make it right and it seems so far they are. I'm just hoping we don't all have ill-fitting dust covers like dakota.
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Any shots of the inside?
I didnt take any pictures of the inside. But when i looked at it you can clearly see the big crack. The small one cant be seen from the inside.
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That makes sense. If that's truly the case it's an easy fix but it should have been caught before the pistols shipped out in my opinion. Still, I'm hopeful they'll make it right and it seems so far they are. I'm just hoping we don't all have ill-fitting dust covers like dakota.
Yeah i honestly dont care how long they take to fix my gun as long as i get it back fitting right. My dust cover is actually canted to left now that its cracked kind of like Dakota said his is after they fixed it.
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I understand wanting to get it right and not wanting to send it off again to KUSA, but you shouldn't have to take a dremel to it to get it running unimpeded.

I'd see if they can send a new/improved top cover along with whatever other parts that they fixed in their production since these were originally reported. Sorry you are having to deal with this dude!

I'm still waiting on mine, so I'm sure I'll encounter the same stuff. Just part of being on the "bleeding edge" of AK technology. Haha.
no, I whole heartedly agree. I have a feeling they'd want me to send it back again. which I'm not looking to do as total time its gone is about a week. if they sent one to me, I wouldn't have to wait so long and I could put it on myself in less than 15 minutes.

if they decide to reach out to me about it, ill let them know how I feel about it. In the meantime, I'm just gonna file a little bit here and there so the cover clears the carrier and doesn't damage the trunnion any more. I have another 2.5k of 9mm I'm gonna try and run thru the gun over the next week or two
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no, I whole heartedly agree. I have a feeling they'd want me to send it back again. which I'm not looking to do as total time its gone is about a week. if they sent one to me, I wouldn't have to wait so long and I could put it on myself in less than 15 minutes.

if they decide to reach out to me about it, ill let them know how I feel about it. In the meantime, I'm just gonna file a little bit here and there so the cover clears the carrier and doesn't damage the trunnion any more. I have another 2.5k of 9mm I'm gonna try and run thru the gun over the next week or two
Yeah, hopefully they'd just send out a new cover and let you keep the old as a spare. Excited to hear how those next 2.5k rounds go.
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Got another shipment today.

Guns are trickling out. Mine sell before they get to my door. Just had another rifle allocated to me this morning. Sold instantly.

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Guns are trickling out. Mine sell before they get to my door. Just had another rifle allocated to me this morning. Sold instantly.

Looking forward to getting mine!
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Got another shipment today.

Guns are trickling out. Mine sell before they get to my door. Just had another rifle allocated to me this morning. Sold instantly.

Nice! Can't wait for it to get here. I'm eager to start testing it out.
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Kind of reminds me of the very early days of Arsenal and the SA M-7.
Then, those guns weren't exactly popping up in huge numbers.
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Kind of reminds me of the very early days of Arsenal and the SA M-7.
Then, those guns weren't exactly popping up in huge numbers.
An issue with keeping up with demand is a good issue to have I don't know how many they're producing a week, but I'm sure it's a decent amount.
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I think I'll wait for the teething issues to pass. Now where was that Zenith Mp5 RS I was looking at... Hmmmm
I'm still debating on the PTR 9KT....
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