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Old 09-13-2017, 01:01 PM   #106
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Now the Romy barrels are $160 and available.
The Romanian kits will go up $100 each. Just kidding.
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Old 09-13-2017, 01:05 PM   #107
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These barrels are not a one time "just found" opportunity, I just spoke with the folks at M+M industries and they have more coming in, imported pre-threaded directly from Romania. As Rforbus confirmed, these do have journal stamping. My tail is wagging !!
When I saw the M+M packaging I had a single concern. A few years ago they decided to go around Century Arms and have Cugir (I guess more appropriately Romarms) build contract-price AKM's and these were correct to AKM design same for a much larger diameter in the area between the front sight and the breech journal. Why? Who knows, as it gained nothing but the creation of a bastard. I remember well since a customer of mine was repairing one for his customer and had to return his plate tool for modification to clear that area - it was nearly the diameter of the breech journal.

Century received news of this, tossed a fit and threatened a suit ($$$$$) since they believe themselves to be the sole contract importer of items from Cugir.
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M plus M claims they are the importer of these barrels and pesold this 1st shipment to their several distributors. M plus M will sell direct for msrp but won't undercut nor compete with their distributors, who do pay less. MSRP is 195 per barrel or 550 shipped for three from M plus M

No pre-drilled gas port holes on these barrels. I may have incorrectly gambled and this CFS deal might have been the lowest price will see these barrels ever.
They sold the first batch to their "several distributors"? Who else besides centerfire got some of the first batch?
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:13 PM   #110
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Here ya go guys...


Centerfire Romanian barrels https://imgur.com/gallery/XX0sJ

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Old 09-13-2017, 02:43 PM   #111
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I am going to be the first one to say I bet century see's these loses their minds like the Rifles M=M was selling and sues them again
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:53 PM   #112
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Mine just came in. I just opened one of the pair. Looks like a milsurp barrel, proof stamps and all. Marked 2222.
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A buddy of mine called M+M and they stated more are coming in.
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:47 PM   #114
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Just got mine
Looks like a bunch of tall Z Z Z Zs stamped in hand guard area

Overall looks killer
Compair later to an old one
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Old 09-13-2017, 04:07 PM   #115
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Just got mine
Looks like a bunch of tall Z Z Z Zs stamped in hand guard area
So far everyone I have spoke to has received all 2's. These are definitely new production. Edges are still sharp.
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As a novice, can someone tell me what the 2222 proof marks mean?
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It's referring to the journals.
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As a novice, can someone tell me what the 2222 proof marks mean?
Because of production tolerances barrel journal sizes and the sizes of the holes in the barrel components can vary. AK barrel journals and barrel components are numbered 1 through 4 depending on their size. For example, if you have a number 3 sized barrel journal you'll want to put a number 3 sized barrel component on it. Number 2 is considered "blueprint" spec, anything above or below number 2 is a size that isn't "blueprint" spec. It's very common to see barrels with several different numbers on it, like a number 1 by the gas block journal, a number 3 by the front sight block journal, etc. You want to put the right size barrel component on the right size journal to get a correct interference fit on the barrel components.
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Well with my glasses on they looked like zzzzz. Lol maybe mines sleepy
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They are threaded in Romania, another importer said that the Romanians have been offering these for awhile.

The fact that M&M is involved scares me. I'm glad I kept my old stock Milsurp barrels. I'm sure others won't agree but I would prefer using the earliest imported Romy barrels with batch codes and igors drunk ass stamping the same proof mark 10 timed because he Forgot he already stamped it.

I have one that has a batch code that was attempted to be stsmped all the way around the barrel / trunnion journal until he finally completed the whole thing. Strange

M&M imported some non milspec bullshit awhile back, you can tell Because the barrel journal is longer I think
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I'll just leave this right here......

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/695487192
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There ya go capitalism or whatever one chooses to call it?
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:51 PM   #123
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Mine just came in. I just opened one of the pair. Looks like a milsurp barrel, proof stamps and all. Marked 2222.
Same here. Even has the correct lip at the chamber journal. Wish I bought 10 more!
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I bought 1 and it's marked w/ 2's and a 6.
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I call it faggotry, but it is capitalism so . . .
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http://www.gunbroker.com/item/695487192
I hope everyone that bought the barrels to resell them for twice the price gets stuck with them because everyone knows what they paid for them and the news is out that more are coming. Death to scalpers.
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Do these have the hand guard retainer slots cut?
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I'll just leave this right here......

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/695487192
I like his description ..... the same wording strait off the box
To bad you can't post a comment on the gb actions lol
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They ones I received look good. A finer finish that the older batch of virgin barrels. Less proofs and no y mark to be seen etc, and no batch code as noted.
The price is decent and availability will lift some of the Romy kits to new heights of cloning.
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Do these have the hand guard retainer slots cut?
No they do not. No gas ports either.

They do have extractor cuts on the chamber.
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Because of production tolerances barrel journal sizes and the sizes of the holes in the barrel components can vary. AK barrel journals and barrel components are numbered 1 through 4 depending on their size. For example, if you have a number 3 sized barrel journal you'll want to put a number 3 sized barrel component on it. Number 2 is considered "blueprint" spec, anything above or below number 2 is a size that isn't "blueprint" spec. It's very common to see barrels with several different numbers on it, like a number 1 by the gas block journal, a number 3 by the front sight block journal, etc. You want to put the right size barrel component on the right size journal to get a correct interference fit on the barrel components.
Greek, I've got a Intrac '74 with a size 0 (zero) Trunnion
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No they do not. No gas ports either.

They do have extractor cuts on the chamber.
93X267 in post 133 says that they do have the handguard retainer slots but you say they don't. Who is correct?
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The handguard side retainer slots are cut. The handguard locking lever cut on top of the barrel is not cut.
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Looks like we're at an impasse

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Greek, I've got a Intrac '74 with a size 0 (zero) Trunnion
I might be mistaken on the number range. The only numbers I've come across in the many builds I've done have been 1 through 4 so I assumed that was the range. If someone knows for sure what the range is please post it.
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There were some 0 barrels floating around. I remember commenting that if a vendor is going to sell 0 journal barrels, they should disclose that to buyers.
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The values are here: https://robertforbus.com/technical-p...fits-of-parts/

This is Izhevsk data through the early 1970's. Not all Countries agree regarding how many tolerance levels. Tolerance Class II (2) seems to be in agreement though.
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Mine looks like four half assed 2's and a 6.
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I hope everyone that bought the barrels to resell them for twice the price gets stuck with them because everyone knows what they paid for them and the news is out that more are coming. Death to scalpers.
There is nothing wrong with capitalism... but if someone bought more than a few of these in hopes to flip them it is a little funny.

I tried to warn people and a lot of people doubted me. I am very glad I kept my old Milsurp barrels.

"Your reading the ad wrong man", or "how do you know they are newly manufactured". Maybe a little common sense. One guy did admit what I was saying made sense... Romania still sells guns, they build the Wasr on new barrels. Same with the Aes10b

I learned my lesson though, next time an Importer gives me the scoop on something no one will listen to me anyway so i'll just shut my pie hole and tell my close friends.
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