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Old 10-09-2017, 09:51 AM   #71
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I just bought a Spikes/FN 16" CHF barrel and their BCG group for a future build I'm planning. The barrel and BCG seem like top notch quality.
I have two ST15 LE 'Middy's' and one Carbine. Quality on mine is also top notch.
Same thing with my friends who also own a Spikes. Currently IMO they are one of the best values out there in the mid price range.
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Old 10-09-2017, 03:15 PM   #72
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Not an AR I know, but the Beretta ARX-100 is a really intriguing alternative for right around $1k or slightly less depending on where you look. Just throwing that out there...

The gun looks and handles FAR better in person than on the internet, so don't believe everything you read from internet know-it-alls who've never even seen them in the flesh.
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Old 10-09-2017, 04:16 PM   #73
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Not a fan of 10 or 13 rails. Why not put on a 15. That alone makes the DD a better buy than the Lwrc.

Im confused how a lwrc piston rifle is $2400 and the di is only $1000. A stainless piston rod and spring cost $1400 ???
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I spoke with LWRC as my dealer didn't know the answer to this question. I've been looking at the cerakote version and was wondering how they do that. He said that every gun is completely anodized, even the cerkote versions. They send off their parts for black or clear anodized. The black stay black and the clear are then done in house for cerakote work. I have heard most manufacturers just do a cerakote on the bare aluminum and don't anodize before hand.

I'm curious what that coating is that they use on the inside of the receiver.

I"m willing to bet its the Cerakote Micro Slick there using for the inside of the receiver. I have it done on my saiga rifles internals and it looks the same.

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Not a fan of 10 or 13 rails. Why not put on a 15. That alone makes the DD a better buy than the Lwrc.

Im confused how a lwrc piston rifle is $2400 and the di is only $1000. A stainless piston rod and spring cost $1400 ???
The piston gun comes with the better piston system. A different BOlt carrier which honestly is probably cheaper to make. It also comes with their iron sights which is another $175-200.

The piston guns vary on price. If you shop around you can get the ICA2 or IC SPR for right under $2000. The A5 and IC enhanced cost more towards $2400. It's more complicated and difficult to make the piston system as it's their own proprietary design, much like a SCAR, ACR, Bren, etc... it's not mass produced by 500 companies.

The original sale price of the IC DI was around $1400-1600. The price drop is because they've been selling a lot of guns. When you mass produce things get cheaper so they're passing it along to us, the customers!

Their rifles are actually selling very well in other countries too.

Their piston system is well worth the price. I sold my SCAR because I liked the LWRC better.
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I have two ST15 LE 'Middy's' and one Carbine. Quality on mine is also top notch.
Same thing with my friends who also own a Spikes. Currently IMO they are one of the best values out there in the mid price range.
I got one of the 14.5'' HFCL Middy's pinned to 16'' suppressor ready , Grey CK finish ''Spider'', Magpul set , Very Nice , Top notch parts .
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Not a fan of 10 or 13 rails. Why not put on a 15. That alone makes the DD a better buy than the Lwrc.

Im confused how a lwrc piston rifle is $2400 and the di is only $1000. A stainless piston rod and spring cost $1400 ???
I'm the opposite. I like 12-13.5" rails on a 16" barrel.
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I'm probably going to go the LWRC route or possibly go the BCM route. BCM makes some very nice stuff, but for similar price it looks like the LWRC has just a few more features that puts it over the top. Nothing really on the market comparable to that LWRC for price vs. features and quality that I can find at the moment.
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I agree. I dont understand the Bcm love. They dont even pin their gas blocks. I think they have fallen behind as well.

The Tungsten Lwrc has really caught my eyes.
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If I had $1k in my pocket I was looking to spend on a factory AR I'd go with a Troy Alpha Carbine with zero hesitation:



Compact, lightweight, accurate, & high quality.

Here's a vid of shooting my Troy TRXtreme (basically an older version of the Alpha) at 500yds with a red dot:

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If I had $1k in my pocket I was looking to spend on a factory AR I'd go with a Troy Alpha Carbine with zero hesitation:



Compact, lightweight, accurate, & high quality.

Here's a vid of shooting my Troy TRXtreme (basically an older version of the Alpha) at 500yds with a red dot:

I have/use a Troy upper on one of my configurations and its flawless.
I could give a sheeit less about troys past employment discrepancies, their products are great.
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I agree. My Troy sights and Alpha rail is great.

Every company has shitty people working for them. I pay no attention to that. Just like I picked a Xd Mod 2 suppressor ready pistol with 4 free mags this summer. I could careless about Illinois and how they think Springfield sold them out.
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Getting on the Troy Bandwagon. I have been REALLY surprised by my $400 Troy upper I bought from Primary Arms a couple years back. That upper feels so much smoother than most of my other uppers. Not sure how they did it, but wow. Smoother than my BCM even.
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Getting on the Troy Bandwagon. I have been REALLY surprised by my $400 Troy upper I bought from Primary Arms a couple years back. That upper feels so much smoother than most of my other uppers. Not sure how they did it, but wow. Smoother than my BCM even.
What feels smoother? Shoots smoother? Or you talking about the way it feels in your hands? Or the BCG and the recoil?
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What feels smoother? Shoots smoother? Or you talking about the way it feels in your hands? Or the BCG and the recoil?
BCG and recoil. It's a little hard to describe. Maybe it's gas port is smaller?
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I agree. My Troy sights and Alpha rail is great.

Every company has shitty people working for them. I pay no attention to that. Just like I picked a Xd Mod 2 suppressor ready pistol with 4 free mags this summer. I could careless about Illinois and how they think Springfield sold them out.
yeah..i could care less about illinois too and i live here
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I went back and dug up some video from last year of me running my Troy CQB AR-15 in case anyone is interested in seeing one in action. Fast forward to 10:38 in the below video.

Mine has been run-n-gun many times but for some reason I don't have much footage of it which is a shame because it's proven time and time again to be a real hammer. It's been pushed out to 500yds several times and always made consistant hits and has shot many 1.5 MOA groups at 200yds with just a red dot. It mostly gets fed steel case ammo, has NEVER jammed, and I'm pretty sure I've cleaned it once... twice at the absolute most.

Now I'm sure some guys out there are thinking "I've got an AR that can do all that" and I don't doubt it. Keep in mind that this gun is more compact than a standard AR. My 16" barrel Troy CQB with the stock collapsed is just a little longer than my 18" Tavor, which means a 14.5" barrel Troy w/pinned muzzle device with the stock collapsed will be just slighltly longer than a 16.5" barrel Tavor. Being that compact makes it a great truck gun.

Also the Troy AR comes well equipped from the factory. The rail, pistol grip, stock, trigger guard, and muzzle device are all good to go out of the box. The only upgrade I've done to mine is a set of JP reduced power trigger springs with enhanced reliability hammer spring. The trigger is awesome now and the upgrade cost like $10-$15.

It's a whole lot of AR for the $ and this is coming from a guy that prefers to build (assemble really I guess) his own ARs.



BTW I'm not saying other AR's aren't as good and maybe better in some ways. It's just my opinion that Troy's CQB ARs are the most exciting options in the AR market for the money right now.
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BTW I've see Bren 805's for under $1300 a couple places lately. If you can scratch up the little bit of extra dough they are a pretty awesome option too.
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BTW I've see Bren 805's for under $1300 a couple places lately. If you can scratch up the little bit of extra dough they are a pretty awesome option too.
The pistol or the carbine? I think I have seen the pistol for around that much but the carbine still seems to be around $1500-1600 from what I have seen.
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The pistol or the carbine? I think I have seen the pistol for around that much but the carbine still seems to be around $1500-1600 from what I have seen.
The carbine...$1325 at the time of this post.

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^ Yeah that is a really good price.
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Thanks guys. The CZ 805 Bren is a very nice rifle. However, I think I would be more tempted to be patient and wait for the 806 when CZ finally brings it to the US market. Seems worth the wait for the upgrades that fixed the few downsides to the 805.
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Thanks guys. The CZ 805 Bren is a very nice rifle. However, I think I would be more tempted to be patient and wait for the 806 when CZ finally brings it to the US market. Seems worth the wait for the upgrades that fixed the few downsides to the 805.
It may be a few more years (if ever) when the 806 shows up. The 805 is still a fantastic rifle, and an absolute steal at $1325.
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It may be a few more years (if ever) when the 806 shows up. The 805 is still a fantastic rifle, and an absolute steal at $1325.
Yup. Gotta get imports while the gettin' is good.
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What do those three offer over the LWRC in terms of specs or function? Not sure I see the benefit of them over the LWRC DI. At this point I'm going to crown the LWRC the winner and just go that route as nothing else currently around $1,000 comes close to it in terms of value.
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What do those three offer over the LWRC in terms of specs or function? Not sure I see the benefit of them over the LWRC DI. At this point I'm going to crown the LWRC the winner and just go that route as nothing else currently around $1,000 comes close to it in terms of value.
They're all good rifles...

May not be as feature rich, but they're good, reliable, and of excellent quality.
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I agree with the Lwrc. I’m just confused why they didn’t do M-lok from the get go. Looks like they are now.

Hard to beat an Aero build as well. An Aero set with a Ballistic mid length will only run you $800 if you get it all on sale. Mine runs great

Also surprised no one has mentioned the Sig M400. They now come with a free float 15” m-lok for $900 range. They have a really nice lower, nitride barrel and bolt Carrier.

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