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Old 04-15-2017, 07:06 PM   #36
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Exactly correct.

But lots of people do not even bother to consider the resale value of their firearms.

Some people are just looking for something to do with their spare time.
^^^ Yes. Resale value assumes that I will sell a gun.
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:24 PM   #37
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But lots of people do not even bother to consider the resale value of their firearms.
And some of us have enough money not to give a crap about the "resale value" of an old bolt action rifle of which millions were made.

LOL.

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Old 04-15-2017, 08:04 PM   #38
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Why would a gunsmith go to all the trouble to move the bolt handle back then not build a bridge over it so a better scope mount could be fastened to the receiver? That's just lazy.
You can't build a bridge over a Mosin or Mannlicher style action.

The bolt handle is moved but that giant lug that the bolt handle was on is still there.

Lazy?

Those builds in the pics took a lot of time and skill.
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Old 04-15-2017, 08:59 PM   #39
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You can't build a bridge over a Mosin or Mannlicher style action.

The bolt handle is moved but that giant lug that the bolt handle was on is still there.

Lazy?

Those builds in the pics took a lot of time and skill.
Yes they did, time better spent on more worthy projects.
Guess it gave them something to do to keep them away from the Wife!!
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Old 04-16-2017, 03:29 PM   #40
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You can't build a bridge over a Mosin or Mannlicher style action.

The bolt handle is moved but that giant lug that the bolt handle was on is still there.

Lazy?

Those builds in the pics took a lot of time and skill.
I've never felt the work needed to move the bolt handle back, inlet the receiver and bridge the gap in the action is worth the time and effort...but many do it- usually welding in a piece of cut-up receiver but flat tops can be done as well. The Rock Solid mount is so well designed I don't see anything gained with that mod. The new "low profile" style is almost a full inch longer in back making optic positioning that much more flexible (it does get the scope down a tiny bit more- around 50 thou- but the added length is the big plus IMO)

That "giant lug" on which the bolt handle is originally located is a critical safety feature of the MN that is rarely discussed. If a locking lug were to ever fail, that huge chunk of steel locked sideways in the action would prevent the bolt from being blown back through your head. Making that reciever cutout would weaken that area to some extent.
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Old 04-17-2017, 10:13 AM   #41
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I've never understood all of the butt-hurt over guys "bubba-ing" their Mosins. I have a few Mosin Nagants, some of which are un-molested, and others heavily modified. That being said, in reference to this thread, I can second the OP's opinion of the Archangel stock. It does an effective job of taming the recoil of the Baltic Jack-hammer, and provides a working detachable magazine. I put one on one of my M39's, and have been delighted with it.

This particular Finn came to me with a counter-bored muzzle and a cracked stock. I removed the iron sights, had the barrel cut to 22" and had an 11 degree target crown put on it. I then bead-blasted the barrel and action, then hot-tank blued it. The scope base is a Rock Solid, and I used Warne Maxima rings to secure the Kalinka Optics Veber 4-16x50. I dropped a Timney trigger in it set at 2.5 lbs pull.

The rifle is capable of 2 MOA with mid-eighties era Soviet surplus, and with hand-loads will print 1 MOA all day long.

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You can't build a bridge over a Mosin or Mannlicher style action.

The bolt handle is moved but that giant lug that the bolt handle was on is still there.

Lazy?

Those builds in the pics took a lot of time and skill.
Really? I wonder why that is? Please tell me your experiences.



The action came with one of those aluminum mounts that screw down in the front. No thanks.

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I'm not disagreeing, they look very nice.
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Old 04-17-2017, 08:23 PM   #43
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Really? I wonder why that is? Please tell me your experiences.



The action came with one of those aluminum mounts that screw down in the front. No thanks.



I'm not disagreeing, they look very nice.
Interesting bridge. I guess its not impossible.
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If you're building a Mosin for accuracy it behooves you to squeeze every advantage you can out of the receiver and scope mount. It seems like if you are going to the trouble to notch the receiver for bolt clearance then cut off the existing handle and weld a new one further back on the bolt (all cosmetic improvements) that adding a bridge to tie the scope mount together (stiffens the action too) should have been the end goal all along. Otherwise, what do the mods do to enhance performance?
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I just don't get the point when you can buy a $300 Savage that will be vastly more precise out of the box. For the cost of doing all this to a Mosin, you could get a Howa 1500 heavy barrel...
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I just don't get the point when you can buy a $300 Savage that will be vastly more precise out of the box. For the cost of doing all this to a Mosin, you could get a Howa 1500 heavy barrel...
Then you don't understand the mindset of those that want a custom "anything"...and it probably can't be explained to you if you've never poured $$ into restoring an old car, boat etc. that you knew you'd never be able to recoup your investment if sold.

And to correct you- that Savage will NOT be "vastly more precise".

By the same logic, why doesn't everyone just buy a Savage 12LRP instead of hiring a gunsmith to build them a rifle costing three times as much which they're not capable of even shooting the difference?

Because not everyone wants to drive a Ford Fiesta. It'll get you to work, same as a 'Vette, right?

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Then you don't understand the mindset of those that want a custom "anything"...and it probably can't be explained to you if you've never poured $$ into restoring an old car, boat etc. that you knew you'd never be able to recoup your investment if sold.

And to correct you- that Savage will NOT be "vastly more precise".

By the same logic, why doesn't everyone just buy a Savage 12LRP instead of hiring a gunsmith to build them a rifle costing three times as much which they're not capable of even shooting the difference?

Because not everyone wants to drive a Ford Fiesta. It'll get you to work, same as a 'Vette, right?

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Oh I understand the custom bit. But most of these bubba'd Mosins look like lipstick on a pig.

Only real exception would be some of the work y'all do. If I had a spare M91/30 Id be sending it to you for some work myself.

Mostly I just cant stand some of the stocks people put them in. The Archangel is just fugly as hell. Try this instead -->> https://www.etsy.com/listing/2114059...?ref=related-6

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I have a couple of Savages, one of them outshoots everything else I own. I bubbad it too by making an aluminum chassis for it. I still get more satisfaction from shooting .6" groups from my bubba'd mosin or 54r Mauser because I made it happen, not some one else.
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Oh I understand the custom bit. But most of these bubba'd Mosins look like lipstick on a pig.

Only real exception would be some of the work y'all do. If I had a spare M91/30 Id be sending it to you for some work myself.

Mostly I just cant stand some of the stocks people put them in. The Archangel is just fugly as hell. Try this instead -->> https://www.etsy.com/listing/2114059...?ref=related-6


Had a customer send me one of those stocks to use for his build.

Forgetting the hardware store bolts and wing nuts for the adjustable cheek, it was a good thing for him (and bad for me) that he had ordered the action to be epoxy bedded when the build was finished. I knew I was going to have to open up the barrel channel- but the inletting looked like it was done by a beaver on acid. No wonder there's never any "top view" pics of those.

Not really my "cup of tea" so to speak, but with the fluted McGowen and black Cerakote came out looking nice.


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Why hate on a $150 old rifle that was mass-produced?

Not like they're bubba-ing an expensive or collectible firearm. Most of the Mosin's that get customized are your basic models anyway.
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Why hate on a $150 old rifle that was mass-produced?

Not like they're bubba-ing an expensive or collectible firearm. Most of the Mosin's that get customized are your basic models anyway.
There's a nice modernized Remington in the MP...
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Why hate on a $150 old rifle that was mass-produced?

Not like they're bubba-ing an expensive or collectible firearm. Most of the Mosin's that get customized are your basic models anyway.
People hate on it for two main reasons:

1: they choose uncommon models, years, makers quite often. Saw many a 28/30, 91, team hacked up

2: they spend $700-1,000+ to get results out a rifle that are worse than what they could have purchased new for $300.

When I see modernized milsurp rifles it is like seeing a Model T with spinner rims
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