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Old 12-08-2015, 12:41 PM   #36
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I think the 15 round will be at the limit of practical length. On a design like this you can almost always go smaller, it is just a question of demand.

The main thing we don't know is function. Until we can make samples to test nothing is entirely sure. We may have to redo the design if any major issues show up.

Oh forgot to mention. The cartridge rims are hard on feed lips so we are going to use 20 gauge, which is .036" or roughly .91 mm thick. So the magazine is going to be pretty stout. I should be able to generate the exact weight shortly.
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Weird question but does anyone know of any steel mag with a Teflon coating on the inside to reduce rounds from sticking?
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Old 12-08-2015, 01:19 PM   #38
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My understanding is that most if not all teflon coatings are a spray and bake process. I can't think of a way you would be able to get an even coating on the inside.

What mag are you having sticking with?
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Awesome CSSPECS!
15 round mags sound great but I would also be in for some 5 rounders as well.
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csspecs, Do you have a timeline set up for first prototype production? And maybe an estimated time to completion?
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Old 12-08-2015, 02:46 PM   #41
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I don't know when the first tests will start. We hope to have the slabs of metal for the tooling on order by the weekend. And be milling tooling sometime near the end of next week.

Normally it would take about four months to model and make the tooling. However we are modeling them on a new program that is much faster, and cutting them on a CNC mill for the first time, so it should go faster. I'll be posting videos showing the dies being cut about two days behind actual production.
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I used to have a 20rd Lahti Saloranta mag that I was going to try to make work. Weird double-to-single configuration, and made for a 53mm round rather than a 54mm round. Might be a good place to look for inspiration re: geometry. That being said...
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If you are looking for interest then count me in. 15 rounds would be suitable for shooting when standing but please consider the possibility of a 10 rounder for folks that shoot off a rest or bipod. Even if SGM makes one the negative reviews and mods required for reliable feeding doesn't sway me to their mag. Also, with a metal mag, there may not be the limitations of shooting heavy ball ammo as the warning on CTD states. Thank you for continuing to provide the VEPR crowd with aftermarket products.
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Man, I would love some nice metal 5 rounders like the original. The shooting I do with my VEPR doesn't really warrant a 15 rounder. I'd settle for a nice 10 round magazine in metal though. Thanks for working on it. Hopefully you can offer a few different options when they production starts.
I am with him for a steel 5 rounder.
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If you are looking for interest then count me in. 15 rounds would be suitable for shooting when standing but please consider the possibility of a 10 rounder for folks that shoot off a rest or bipod. Even if SGM makes one the negative reviews and mods required for reliable feeding doesn't sway me to their mag. Also, with a metal mag, there may not be the limitations of shooting heavy ball ammo as the warning on CTD states. Thank you for continuing to provide the VEPR crowd with aftermarket products.
I am of the opinion that the heavy ball problem is related to the feed angle, which we have something different. I think I have a volume of heavy ball for doing testing, and I'll try to confirm that one way or the other.

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I am with him for a steel 5 rounder.
We will likely make a 5 round if it is requested. The mind set at present is that small capacity magazines are not really cheaper than the standard sizes. In the past we had made them cheaper and split the cost difference across the entire line of sizes. Now we think each product should be priced off its cost of production, which is why we did the plugged magazines for the M77, a true 5 round body would have been almost $50 due to the low volume.. I think the five round for the 54r would be popular enough to be priced equal to the 10.
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I will get a few 5's and a few 10's . great news CSSpecs !
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I used to have a 20rd Lahti Saloranta mag that I was going to try to make work. Weird double-to-single configuration, and made for a 53mm round rather than a 54mm round. Might be a good place to look for inspiration re: geometry. That being said
my thoughts exactly, why not?
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:45 PM   #49
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I am up for 10-15rds mags. Please take my money already. My VEPR cannot wait to be inserted with csspecs mag. *lol
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:55 PM   #50
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I am definitely in for the 10 and 15 rnders. I would also buy a 30rd drum for $200.
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Old 12-08-2015, 11:05 PM   #51
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Yay, I cannot wait! If you need a tester let me know.
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My understanding is that most if not all teflon coatings are a spray and bake process. I can't think of a way you would be able to get an even coating on the inside.

What are mag are you having sticking with?
Yes you'd have to apply the teflon prior to assembling after they come out of the press. Just was thinking about a double stack to single stack mag to make feeding issues optimized, but that may just be overkill if its designed right won't need it. Teflon coating would though also add substantial corrosion protection.
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I am up for 10rd mags (our state capacity limit)
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I will volunteer as a tester as well...............no problem
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I better be on that tester list. As many times as i have emailed you in the last year... lol
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I better be on that tester list. As many times as i have emailed you in the last year... lol
i send them a request for 54r mags every 2-3 weeks or so
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Testers are so long away that I'm not taking any names. The test magazines need to pass our testing first.
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Awesome! This is great news. I recently bought some VEPR12 csspech mags and was very impressed. Even the packaging they came in was the best I've ever seen for a magazine. Neatly sealed in plastic and wrapped in VCI paper. Mags function great too. I'm standing by with credit card in hand......
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There's a tester list? Well sign me up as a Vepr 308 and M77 tester!
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"Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. When out of ammo, tou can use it as a hammer in melee"

Im fine with stout magazines, haha.
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Just want to fuel this fire. I'm in for 15s!
(Maybe even a 10 and 5, but larger capacity first.)

ETA: What I would really like to see is a 20 round double stack single feed. That would really bring out the "shut up and take my money" pics.

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Is there any reasonable way to have some type of double stack that tapers to a single port resembling a Lahti or Bren mag like he said? ^^^
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Is there any reasonable way to have some type of double stack that tapers to a single port resembling a Lahti or Bren mag like he said? ^^^
I believe this has already been covered. Too difficult or nearly impossible to engineer for reliable performance.
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I don't know when the first tests will start. We hope to have the slabs of metal for the tooling on order by the weekend. And be milling tooling sometime near the end of next week.

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American ingenuity and manufacturing, it's good for our future!

When this project is successfully tested and completed it will be a great Christmas present even if it's in October! A reliable 10 or 15 round 7,62x54R magazine for all the rifles out there stuck with 5 rounders will be fantastic indeed.
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I'm in! I would prefer 10 rounders, but I'll take 15s
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About damn time you started working on these.

I'll take what I can get but 5 and 10 rds are preferred for me. I'll pay double for double stack 10 rounders.
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Id be up for atleast (1) of each of the 10 and 15 rounders. Dont need any 5rd mags...rifle came with 2 of them. Please tell us you wont try to rape us like they do with the price of the 5rd mags. Anyone that spends $50 on a 5rd mag has more bullets than brains. (unless its replacing a bad, lost magazine and I still question the sanity).
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We will likely make a 5 round if it is requested. The mind set at present is that small capacity magazines are not really cheaper than the standard sizes. In the past we had made them cheaper and split the cost difference across the entire line of sizes. Now we think each product should be priced off its cost of production, which is why we did the plugged magazines for the M77, a true 5 round body would have been almost $50 due to the low volume.. I think the five round for the 54r would be popular enough to be priced equal to the 10.
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The day I have to pay $50 for a magazine for this VEPR is the day I sell same rifle and use the $$ to buy ak47 and AR15 magazines and ammo/reloading components. Which is a shame I really like the VEPR and the 54R round (have 8 Mosins) and a good stockpile of 54R ammo. Past $40 is my sell the damn rifle threshold.
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