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AK variant 21 10.19%
Shotgun 56 27.18%
Auto pistol 75 36.41%
Revolver 7 3.40%
AR variant 26 12.62%
Bullpup 2 0.97%
Battle rifle 3 1.46%
Scar 1 0.49%
PCC 9 4.37%
Other 6 2.91%
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:23 PM   #36
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My Glock 20 with 20 round mag grab and go from when I get out of bed. I move on to the VEPR .308 if I find that there are multiple aggressors on my land outside.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:12 PM   #37
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G30 with 14 rounds. White light.

Mossberg 500 with 5 rounds of buckshot and a side saddle with 3 buckshot 2 slugs. White light.

AK74 with RD wide rear sight and a tritium front night sight, 30 rounds of Hornady V-max. White light.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:25 PM   #38
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Mossberg 590SP loaded with number 4 heavy field load.
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I voted PCC, hard to argue with a scorpion with 31 rounds 147 +P HST as fast as you can put them on target. Its backed up by a mossberg 590 with PDX1 segment slugs and M7 bayo...cuz reasons
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:36 PM   #40
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Many factors to include in this but generally speaking, and if we're just talking 1 home intruder in the an urban setting, probably just a semi-auto 9mm or .45acp would do for me.

It would be pretty nuts to start firing off rounds with the velocity a rifle round has in a tight, urban-setting IMO.

To each their own.
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my neighbors homes are relatively close by so I use a shotgun. A Mossberg 500 Persuader 12 ga. pump with 00 buck and slugs in the side saddle. My house has brick veneer so I don't worry a great deal about that load going beyond my walls. In my 28 years of street level LE and criminal investigations I have seen more that one FMJ 9mm round sail completely through Antebellum era homes with plaster walls. Over penetration is a huge consideration for me.

I can quickly access myriad other options depending on the nature of the threat. My two pittbulls will certainly raise the alarm, I just hope they know to "Move over Rover and let Daddy take over".
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I wonder why there has been a huge shift from shotguns to 5.56 rifles/carbines for LEO.


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I wonder why there has been a huge shift from shotguns to 5.56 rifles/carbines for LEO.


I was a huge fan of our tactical Remington 870 shotguns. My Department started incorporating carbines after the North Hollywood shootout. I always carried a shotgun in a mount on the cage above me and a carbine in the trunk. We even got a bunch of full auto Army M-16s from the DRMO and changed out the full auto triggers for street use.

Now, we are phasing out shotguns altogether. Not because they aren't effective or have a place but rather because they are "hurty" on snowflake shoulders and too "boomy" for the sensitive, empathetic and kind souls we have been hiring. Just a guess though.
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Now, we are phasing out shotguns altogether. Not because they aren't effective or have a place but rather because they are "hurty" on snowflake shoulders and too "boomy" for the sensitive, empathetic and kind souls we have been hiring. Just a guess though.
Unreal......

Same reasons boxing was taken out of the Academies,
.....and less LE personnel are confident in hand to hand resulting in........

Equality for snowflakes, keep lowering the standards......
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Could be either an AR or an AK variant.
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Unreal......

Same reasons boxing was taken out of the Academies,
.....and less LE personnel are confident in hand to hand resulting in........

Equality for snowflakes, keep lowering the standards......
The academic standards are significantly less than when I attended, Defensive tactics doesn't involve full contact sparring anymore and the new recruits lack confidence and I swear most are scared of their own shadow. It is very scary.
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I wonder why there has been a huge shift from shotguns to 5.56 rifles/carbines for LEO.


While I slightly prefer the 12ga for home defence if I was a police offer I would much rather have a carbine any day
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For you guys thinking your going to fire off potentially 1-10 (AK/AR)high power rifle rounds in the confines of your house you should pop off 5 rounds at the range with no hearing protection. Your choice will probably change, its great to think 1 round will get the job done but what it more are needed? Remember were are talking shooting off a rifle round between the walls, I am not going to tell a grown man what to protect himself with, but its something to think about as a ruptured eardrum is very painful. A 9mm pistol and shotgun shot in a walled area is loud enough.
I'm right there with you on that. I'll stick with a handgun, for sure. I keep my Sig P938 on the nightstand because it has the night sights, and I practice with it the most since it's also what I carry. If I'm going to shoot at anything indoors, I'll use what I shoot the most regularly.

Yeah, the shorter barrel on the P938 will make more noise, but it won't come close to the noise a rifle will make.
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Many factors to include in this but generally speaking, and if we're just talking 1 home intruder in the an urban setting, probably just a semi-auto 9mm or .45acp would do for me.

It would be pretty nuts to start firing off rounds with the velocity a rifle round has in a tight, urban-setting IMO.

To each their own.
Your 9mm handgun is going to penetrate the same if not more then a 5.56 round so why not use a rifle?
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Science has yet to produce a projectile that can reliably and quickly kill a human being that can't go through a few sheets of fragile ass sheet rock

Every option listed will kill a family member on the other side of the wall just fine .... so focusing on NOT missing a bad guy to the best of your ability is all you can really do
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Science has yet to produce a projectile that can reliably and quickly kill a human being that can't go through a few sheets of fragile ass sheet rock

Every option listed will kill a family member on the other side of the wall just fine .... so focusing on NOT missing a bad guy to the best of your ability is all you can really do
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suppressed CZ SP-01 with wml or ar15 depending on what is happening. I keep ear protection with amplification next to my bed also.
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For you guys thinking your going to fire off potentially 1-10 (AK/AR)high power rifle rounds in the confines of your house you should pop off 5 rounds at the range with no hearing protection. Your choice will probably change, its great to think 1 round will get the job done but what it more are needed? Remember were are talking shooting off a rifle round between the walls, I am not going to tell a grown man what to protect himself with, but its something to think about as a ruptured eardrum is very painful. A 9mm pistol and shotgun shot in a walled area is loud enough.
I'm not advocating shooting indoors without earpro, but...

I've done a lot of cqb training in shoot houses without ear pro. The first time you fire any firearm indoors without ears on it rattles your brain. After you've done it a few times you sort of get used to it. It's not pleasant, it it is bearable if you know what to expect.

Mud brick buildings are much worse than wood framed and drywalled buildings.
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Good grief, pistol and shotgun rounds are the worst over penetrators.

Science guys...

I'm not saying use a .50 BMG, but an intermediate rifle round is best

You are far more likely to miss with a handgun.

Use the handgun to get you to a rifle.
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I voted shotgun; I have a 6+1 18" 870 by the bed with a surefire forend and Mesa urbino with ghost rings. My carry gun is also within reach, which is either a P229 9mm, P239 .40, or 6 shot .38 with +Ps
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Good grief, pistol and shotgun rounds are the worst over penetrators.

Science guys...

I'm not saying use a .50 BMG, but an intermediate rifle round is best

You are far more likely to miss with a handgun.

Use the handgun to get you to a rifle.
Handgun with Magsafe or Glaser safety slug(as used by Air Marshalls), or shotgun with birdshot, Both very effective at close range and both less likely to penetrate even sheetrock walls and still do significant damage on the other side. Much less penetration than a rifle round.

However there is no substitute for knowing what is behind your target, and thinking about the possibilities should have occurred long before any incident takes place.

Intermediate rifle round best? There is a reason an intermediate rifle round will penetrate body armor, where a handgun or shotgun shot load will not.

If you need a long gun to aim within the confines of a house or apartment then go with the shotgun or a pistol caliber carbine.

That is the science of it.
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Good grief, pistol and shotgun rounds are the worst over penetrators.

Science guys...

I'm not saying use a .50 BMG, but an intermediate rifle round is best

You are far more likely to miss with a handgun.

Use the handgun to get you to a rifle.
I think a rifle is a great choice but picking a caliber based on over penetration is a bit of a fool's errand in my opinion because everything listed will kill through sheet rock easily

But if its a major concern and drives your decision making then don't lump all shotgun ammo together, #4 buck shot would penetrate less (still gunna kill somebody if you are firing carelessly) then 5.56 and is way more devastating to Mr.badguy
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Another poll which has the AK trailing the AR on an AK forum. Hmmmm....
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Another poll which has the AK trailing the AR on an AK forum. Hmmmm....
Start a poll asking "Which rifle for shooting milk cartons, busting dirt clods, and reenacting scenes from Red Dawn", or "What should I get if I want a less accurate rifle for which almost all available ammo is crap, and I want to spend at least twice as much as the cost of an AR". Either of those polls would certainly put the AK on top.
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