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Old 02-18-2018, 03:43 PM   #36
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Bet a popsicle stick and a pair of dirty socks they'll just send a different rifle.

No matter, same parts equal same results in most situations.
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:57 PM   #37
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airsoft parts. im convinced all the "american made" parts are actually made in china and just stamped US here. especially a stock like that. i want a US manufacture to do a complete video showing the manufacturing process of all the AK components. you know what? none of them will.
My MAK 90 has none of these issues so blaming Chinese mnfg is a red herring.

The company whose name is on the product is responsible. Full stop.
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Old 02-18-2018, 04:39 PM   #38
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Great customer service cannot be the fix to a broken product, itís icing on the cake if what you are selling is a good product but people donít buy AKís expecting to have to deal with customer service, they want a war gun to take to hell and back and know itís dependable

PSA-start building them like that instead
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Old 02-18-2018, 04:58 PM   #39
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Great customer service cannot be the fix to a broken product, itís icing on the cake if what you are selling is a good product but people donít buy AKís expecting to have to deal with customer service, they want a war gun to take to hell and back and know itís dependable

PSA-start building them like that instead
DDI had that stellar customer service that it seems every customer had 1st hand experience with!

But I gotta hand it to any manufacturer who will hang in the Files Kitchen. Shame that it happens, and we'll soon be a forum talking to each other instead of talking to the actual people who can make a difference.
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Old 02-18-2018, 05:24 PM   #40
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It’s good to know they have a lifetime warranty. They are gonna be losing money on these if people actually shoot them, but they will certainly learn from their mistakes by actually fixing them.

I do hope PSA is successful with their AK venture. The future looks very bleak for American made AK’s right now though. I will say, if anyone can do it, it is PSA—if they don’t give up.
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Old 02-18-2018, 06:25 PM   #41
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My MAK 90 has none of these issues so blaming Chinese mnfg is a red herring.

The company whose name is on the product is responsible. Full stop.
differents times. look at all the airsoft grade firearm parts flooding the market. the chinese junk isnt a crack at tried and true chinese firearms like maks.
its been taking over the AR market and i think its going to do the same with the ak market.
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Old 02-18-2018, 06:59 PM   #42
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Great customer service cannot be the fix to a broken product, itís icing on the cake if what you are selling is a good product but people donít buy AKís expecting to have to deal with customer service, they want a war gun to take to hell and back and know itís dependable

PSA-start building them like that instead
The thing is, AKs arenít AR15s. Itís been said on the boards a dozen times or so in the time Iíve been here alone, the exact specs on the steel, precision production info from Калашников etc simply donít exist in the West, so a new production of AKs WILL include trial and error. And as long as PSA stands by their product, and looks at the rifles sent back to learn what went wrong to change their methods moving forward, weíre not gonna see perfection today, but theyíll get there.

Even your precious WASR was a piece of shit at one point.
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Old 02-18-2018, 11:51 PM   #43
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My MAK 90 has none of these issues so blaming Chinese mnfg is a red herring.

The company whose name is on the product is responsible. Full stop.

You can't compare a military factory built AK using good steel to what a small company that usually makes toys would use for steel. There isn't just one grade of steel as I'm sure you know.
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I love PSA, but that trunnion looks eerily similar to all the C39V2ís that have issues with the right locking lug. I will never buy an American AK.
My PSAK's right trunion looks like that as well after 600 rounds. It was a little tough working the bolt back when the rifle was new, now I know why.

On the other hand, besides a broken extractor after the first 300 rounds, it's gotten very smooth and the surplus Serbian mags from Apex fit decently now after shooting with them.

Will keep an eye on that trunion to see if it advances further. 600 rounds is nothing, but ammo isn't free.
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What extractor did you use after it broke? Another guy had the spring fail, i might buy a spare akm one or just replace it outright, already replaced the recoil spring but that was just personal preference. The psa one fells kinda weak, shoots fine but good to go now with a +5 spring from the mp, also put a wood bulgy hg on it. Looks sweet with the izzy triangle and wood. Mines got abit over 700rnd down it.
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What extractor did you use after it broke? Another guy had the spring fail, i might buy a spare akm one or just replace it outright, already replaced the recoil spring but that was just personal preference. The psa one fells kinda weak, shoots fine but good to go now with a +5 spring from the mp, also put a wood bulgy hg on it. Looks sweet with the izzy triangle and wood. Mines got abit over 700rnd down it.
Polish surplus from Apex. Held up just fine after another 300 rounds (as it should). I only replaced the extractor. I reused the stock extractor spring.

I got the Moekov. Would like to go for wood, but I think I'll leave this one tactical and purchase a traditional wood AK in the future.
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I actually replaced both extractor and the extractor spring that came with my PSAK side folder. The extractor looks incorrect to me. PSA drilled the hole where the extractor goes in a little too deep when I compare with the new one that I got from PSA.

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What extractor did you use after it broke? Another guy had the spring fail, i might buy a spare akm one or just replace it outright, already replaced the recoil spring but that was just personal preference. The psa one fells kinda weak, shoots fine but good to go now with a +5 spring from the mp, also put a wood bulgy hg on it. Looks sweet with the izzy triangle and wood. Mines got abit over 700rnd down it.
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DDI had that stellar customer service that it seems every customer had 1st hand experience with!

But I gotta hand it to any manufacturer who will hang in the Files Kitchen. Shame that it happens, and we'll soon be a forum talking to each other instead of talking to the actual people who can make a difference.
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That's crazy! Like to see how PSA fixes this issue and if it happens again with another 300 rounds or so.
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My stock did the same thing.
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My stock did the same thing.
Every single one posted here has done the same exact thing.
I know they are priced great, but why put on a triangle folder that will repeat the problem?
Wish someone could post one that hasn't broke with a high round count.
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Every single one posted here has done the same exact thing.
I know they are priced great, but why put on a triangle folder that will repeat the problem?
Wish someone could post one that hasn't broke with a high round count.
PSA is still figuring it out. With enough people sending back, they've seen that there's a problem. Let's see if they change their source or process.
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Throw that stock in the trash and drill out a izzy triangle for the larger psa pin! Thats what i did, "permanent fix"! Mine had the normal plastic folding stock, it didnt have any issues but i still like the metal triangles better.

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Even your precious WASR was a piece of shit at one point.
Piece of shit because of cant and poor finish??? But it still functioned reliably.
I guess compared to the offerings available at the time, yes they were not as great.

The new production WASR is the same. It's just every other option around is gone or turned to shit(American made).
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Piece of shit because of cant and poor finish??? But it still functioned reliably.
I guess compared to the offerings available at the time, yes they were not as great.

The new production WASR is the same. It's just every other option around is gone or turned to shit(American made).
No they had plenty of function problems too. More severe than the ones they still have.
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No they had plenty of function problems too. More severe than the ones they still have.
Yes and that was based on them being poorly put together. They werenít breaking left and right because of metallurgy issues. And the issues they rarely still have is based on the mag catch being set too low when being converted by Century. Romanian AKs have never had metallurgy issues like what weíre seeing with American AKs.
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Throw that stock in the trash and drill out a izzy triangle for the larger psa pin! Thats what i did, "permanent fix"!
One shouldn't have to spend another $70 on a new stock to replace the same stock.

If I would've known it'd shit out on me I would have bought the polymer folder for $100+ less.
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Wish someone could post one that hasn't broke with a high round count.
Me too.
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Yes and that was based on them being poorly put together. They werenít breaking left and right because of metallurgy issues. And the issues they rarely still have is based on the mag catch being set too low when being converted by Century. Romanian AKs have never had metallurgy issues like what weíre seeing with American AKs.
That doesn't change the fact that they started as utter shit, both with form and function problems, and took time to become actually reliable and trusted.

Here we have a brand new offering, with similar function problems (We've seen ONE legitimate failure, which was a cast trunion which is no longer even offered, proving they're already working to fix the issues) and a bunch of small things like sights drifting, or unusual wear that may continue, or it may stop entirely (Funny, Arsenals are beloved imports and are showing IDENTICAL wear in their trunions...) and be nothing. Meanwhile, PSA is repairing and replacing all issues, and if their change from cast to forged is any indication, they're learning from the issues, and producing a better product. It took YEARS for the WASR to be remotely acceptable. Lets see where PSA is in a year or two. In the meantime, they're taking good care of their customers, so the only thing anyone is out is a little time while they wait for any issues to be repaired.
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