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Old 04-16-2012, 05:19 PM   #1
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:54 PM   #2
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Oregon is center of the hippy dippy tri-state area of the North West. Im not surprised the libtards of the area, whos only knowledge of gun laws is what they learn form goofy shows like Criminal Minds and CSI, would be shocked to see a citizen open carry and call the cops.

Notice the Arizona Flag on guys hat. Here in Arizona, not one person would even blink at a citizen open carrying, its so common. Cops dont even give a second look at a carrying citizen.

These cops are just doing their job checking on this guy, who stands his ground, but yeah, the cops come across as "tools" when they start harassing him.
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He answered to many questions,iwould have said "am i being detained" which he would reply "no" then i would have said "then f@#$ off" and i would have walked away.
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The female cop sure didn't like that guy. Good for him for standing his ground on telling her he didn't have to show her his id. That's one reason I don't personally open carry. He sure did piss off that female cop though!
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The female cop sure didn't like that guy. Good for him for standing his ground on telling her he didn't have to show her his id. That's one reason I don't personally open carry. He sure did piss off that female cop though!
Its a "she"?????????????
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Its a "she"?????????????
If its not that's a very feminine male! Very low T...
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Wish was like that here in TX,

One of the only things I'd change here....

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Old video - believe it was posted here a while back as well.

I still feel the same - how can a LE know if someone can legally carry or be in poessesion of a firearm without a simple ID check.
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They have no reason to know...unless a crime is being committed.

Can a citizen walk up and ask if you legally allowed to carry your weapon? no, then a cop does not have the right either
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Old video - believe it was posted here a while back as well.

I still feel the same - how can a LE know if someone can legally carry or be in poessesion of a firearm without a simple ID check.
One way to tell is a criminal wouldn't be carrying out in the open.
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When are people going to learn open carry just makes you a target!
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God I'm glad I moved out of Oregon. Oregon has got to be one of the most liberal states we have. That means everybody thinks they know everything and they are always right.

Doesn't surprise me for being a dick to the cops. The Portland area is very low on police support from the public. I was in a restraunt and seen 2 cops walk in. They just sat down when the owner came up and asked them to leave. Seems like half the people started cheering.
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Wish was like that here in TX,

One of the only things I'd change here....

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Yep, troop... the nogs would be waaaay more respectful.

I do like it when they try stuff in front of CCW holders, thogh, or are
surprised by little old men with .44 rugers when they B&E
and the cops find his sternum splattered against the wall.
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It's stupid, because simply checking ID doesn't show them if a person is a prohibited posessor or a felon. That takes a record check, which can take hours. Stupid cops don't like to see that they aren't the only ones allowed to carry.
They also don't like the idea of instantly being held accountable at
gunpoint for their criminal activity. If we could only citizen arrest some
of these jackwagons. Simply on 4th amendment violations at traffic stops.
That would be funny as hell...

May I search your car?

Click Click why, do you have a warrant? No? Title 42 Oath of Office
violation. I must arrest you for being a commie prick.... sir.
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They have no reason to know...unless a crime is being committed.

Can a citizen walk up and ask if you legally allowed to carry your weapon? no, then a cop does not have the right either

A felon in poessesion is a crime.


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It's stupid, because simply checking ID doesn't show them if a person is a prohibited posessor or a felon. That takes a record check, which can take hours. Stupid cops don't like to see that they aren't the only ones allowed to carry.
Incorrect. ID = SSN = NICS check = 5 to 10 mins.....
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yeah they run a check to see if there are any outstanding warrants/violations and it is all done right there while you wait jube.
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Mandy, that didnt answer shit.


I said no one has the right to ask if your legal. Which is incorrect... anyone can ask, but I can say fuck you to that question..even to a cop.

So, your saying the cops should be able to run a search on someone just because they are open carrying?

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Mandy, that didnt answer shit.


I said no one has the right to ask if your legal. Which is incorrect... anyone can ask, but I can say fuck you to that question..even to a cop.

So, your saying the cops should be able to run a search on someone just because they are open carrying?

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Why not? If you have nothing to hide then why be a dick when it's not needed? You can pretty much bet that you will spend more time by not showing your ID then if you did and be on your way.

Different states have different laws on this topic. What may be legal in Arizona doesn't mean it's legal in other states.
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This dude refused to show ID too:

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Mandy, that didnt answer shit.


I said no one has the right to ask if your legal. Which is incorrect... anyone can ask, but I can say fuck you to that question..even to a cop.

So, your saying the cops should be able to run a search on someone just because they are open carrying?

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Exactly the point...

So whats your solution to convicts open carrying - that cannot be questioned.

They are breaking the law - but one will never know who is supposed to have a gun...as we cannot check.

Your side wants it a no questions asked deal - fine...then explain to the rest of us how to ensure asswipes arent being given free rien to illegally poesses a weapon.
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Why not? If you have nothing to hide then why be a dick when it's not needed? You can pretty much bet that you will spend more time by not showing your ID then if you did and be on your way.

Different states have different laws on this topic. What may be legal in Arizona doesn't mean it's legal in other states.
Because it sets precedent. With no probable cause a cop has no business demanding you show ID, so the better we as citizens assert and protect our rights, the better chance we have of fighting any erosion of them by law enforcement.

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Thinking like this got us the Brady Bill and background checks.
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Because it sets precedent. With no probable cause a cop has no business demanding you show ID, so the better we as citizens assert and protect our rights, the better chance we have of fighting any erosion of them by law enforcement.

and as far as this liberal nonsense :


Thinking like this got us the Brady Bill and background checks.
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I personally don't open carry. If you want to, more power to you. The main reason I don't open carry is that it ruins any tactical advantage that I would have in a "social" encounter out there. If a criminal is intent on causing you harm he will simply shoot you immediately if he sees that you're carrying. If you're carrying concealed he's going to feel more at ease and hopefully will be careless. Which allows me to repond properly to his threat. Or at least give me a fighting chance.
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I don't OC often because of Unreformed's reasons but right to do so unimpeded is something we will insist on. What if I don't have ID on me? Then what, arrest me and fingerprint? Pound sand.
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The act of simply carrying a firearm is not indication of committing of a crime. Therefore, not viable grounds to be stopped, questioned, or detained. Period.
No different than walking down the street not carrying a firearm as it pertains to obligation to identify yourself to a LEO in a non-criminal scenario.

His response to the LE's statement about "don't you know what it makes people think/feel like when they see you with a gun?" Should have been something like:
"I'm sorry that they (and you) are uneducated/informed of the law, however I'm not, and am conducting myself well within the law. I suggest that you educate and inform your dispatchers and officers to explain to people calling in that because they see a citizen carrying a firearm does not imply criminal activity, and they should consult local codes/ordinances".

He should not be stopped, questioned, or harassed because of the lack of understanding/education on behalf of the ignorant general public.

I'll also say this.
If he hadn't been videoing the interaction it would have probably gone way different. Also that if he'd been in a vehicle, it would probably have resulted in an illegal search of his vehicle as well.
I know it would here with the ass-hat cops we have.


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They then illegally searched my truck, and seized my firearm (all while I was telling them that they were committing an illegal search/seizure)...

End result was:
2 hours later I was given back my gun, and given a ticket for window tint. This was march, and unbeknownst to me the city code on vehicles with window tint were changed in January by the new mayor...

Fuc& cops.
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God I'm glad I moved out of Oregon. Oregon has got to be one of the most liberal states we have. That means everybody thinks they know everything and they are always right.

Doesn't surprise me for being a dick to the cops. The Portland area is very low on police support from the public. I was in a restraunt and seen 2 cops walk in. They just sat down when the owner came up and asked them to leave. Seems like half the people started cheering.
so you moved to washington?
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so you moved to washington?
Yeah, I was tired or oregons shit. Bullshit laws, higher taxes, growing crime rate, and Portland as a whole is a very dirty city. I swear, the price it costs to live there I can live in a better place that doesn't have those problems.

I will say, in Washington I don't see the dam beggars off of every freeway ramp!
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Because it sets precedent. With no probable cause a cop has no business demanding you show ID, so the better we as citizens assert and protect our rights, the better chance we have of fighting any erosion of them by law enforcement.

and as far as this liberal nonsense :


Thinking like this got us the Brady Bill and background checks.
I can understand what your saying on this and I agree with you. I will show my ID to police if asked as I have nothing to hide. However, if the cop is a dick, or I have the slightest feeling that he is trying to bait me into something then that's when all communication will stop.

Looking at your current banned status, I'm guessing you can still read this.
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Bulgy, I have shown my ID to police in the past so as not to "rock the boat". Afterwards I felt stupid about it as I was doing absolutely nothing wrong and was inconvinienced while my ID was held hostage for a few minutes. "Papers please" is an EU thing, not here.
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