for 1k? Are you kidding? M1A. Hands down. M.1.A.

The difference is free floating the barrel and bedding the stock. Any bolt gun is capable of sub MOA with the right load and correct set up. Even a Mosin Nagant. I would however have it mounted in a Bell and Carlson stock with an aluminum bedding block, free floated barrel, remove the sights, and have the barrel target crowned. Then pick up a decent set of glass, even a low ball Super Sniper or Burris 3200 elite will get you there. However the hard part for the Nagant, is the rounds themselves but you can get some good Prvi Partisan or Wolf Gold Line to start off with. Work your way up. Learn to shoot consistently at 300 meters then go farther out. The nice thing about having a Nagant is that you can use cheap surplus until your skills improve. Remember these guys are talking about making head shots out to a thousand yards- in reality, a true sniper rarely attempts such shots because he may only have one shot and a head shot is the hardest.

The Stevens model 200 is a Savage for less money. If you look around, you can save another 100 bucks to put towards a scope or ammo. There not the prettiest and won't win you any bragging rights.....until you shoot it!

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Mosin sniper rifles did the job very well in combat during WW II. While they may not be as "super" accurate as the modern snipers, they kill just as effectively at long range.

However, since we are not going out to kill anyone and are just discussing economical long range recreational shooting, I agree with n16ht5. The Mosin is the best choice when considering price of weapon, price of ammo, and accuracy.

However, each to his own!

Mike

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MOSIN 91/30 1000 YARDS





K98 8MM 900 YARDS

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I'm the opposite of sniper. I buy rifles that have bayonets.

I have a Savage 10FP in .308 and a 110FP in .223. The .308 has a Leupold VX-II 6-18 power scope and the .223 had the Bushnell Elite 3200 10X scope. Both guns are more accurate than me honestly. I consistently, but not all the time, shoot 1/2 MOA with both. I'm not a reloader but just last week I used some BVAC 69 grain .223 match ammo and the first three shots of a five shot group were under 1/4 of an inch at 100 yards. The BVAC ammo cost $10.50 for 20 rounds before shipping from CTD. I bought the .223 used and I have about $500 dollars in it with the scope.

to me what sets a "sniper" rifle apart from a hunting gun is a BIG @$$ HEAVY BARREL. 1 that doesn't heat up & string from repeated use, at the range.

+1 for the Rem 700 in .308

I just picked up new 700 ADL in Dicks for under $500. Its got a synthetic camo stock and a BIG HEAVY @$$ 26" BARREL.

For the price you can't beat it. Just my $0.02.

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for 1k? Are you kidding? M1A. Hands down. M.1.A.

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Savage 12BVSS in 308 or the much harder to find 300 WSM

Find a sporterized 1903A3 that has been well done. Glass bed the barrel, put some good glass on it, and with or without handloads, it will shoot circles around many rifles costing much more money.

Let me define long range, it starts at 800 yards. Mid range is considered to be 500-800 yards. Nobody that does not absolutely have to, shoots a 308 at long range. Consider a 6.5 or 7mm caliber, they have much better ballistics and they don't beat you to death. My Remington Sendero 7mm magnum with a 162 AMax bullet does just dandy at 1000, it has more velocity and energy at that range than a 308 at 600 yards.

Stevens .30-06 and a Tasco Super Sniper or Burris 3200 elite. Sub $800.

I found a new Tikka T3, heavy barrel varmint in .308, twist - 1:11 to be a tremendous rifle. If your FFL dealer will let you order one for under $800 or so, and you can scrounge up a decent, possibly used Mil-dot scope, this rifle is a viable candidate. My T3 can drill sub-MOA with quality ammo, and the action, while a long bolt, is incredibly smooth. Trigger pull is light and balance is great for a heavy barrel - subjective, yes, but I love my Tikka!

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I found a new Tikka T3, heavy barrel varmint in .308, twist - 1:11 to be a tremendous rifle. If your FFL dealer will let you order one for under $800 or so, and you can scrounge up a decent, possibly used Mil-dot scope, this rifle is a viable candidate. My T3 can drill sub-MOA with quality ammo, and the action, while a long bolt, is incredibly smooth. Trigger pull is light and balance is great for a heavy barrel - subjective, yes, but I love my Tikka!

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I'm the opposite of sniper. I buy rifles that have bayonets.

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Lee-Enfield #4 Mk. 1 Savage... $150

Prvi Partizan JSP 180gr .303... $18.50/20 rounds

deal? yeah.

Great deal!!

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/

I don't think it will shoot with a Stevens or Savage, but it's the best price I've seen in a loooooooong time!

This thread cracks me up.... 2/3 of the people have NO idea what accuracy or a "Sniper" Rifle is... Pretty Sad on a gun site.

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This thread cracks me up.... 2/3 of the people have NO idea what accuracy or a "Sniper" Rifle is... Pretty Sad on a gun site.

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A "Sniper" rifle shoots SUB MOA, less than 1" at 100 yards in simple terms. Most will shoot sub 1/2 MOA.

2/3 of the guns reccomend in this thread are 1.5 - 4.5 MOA rifles. 3 MOA at 100 yards = 15+ " MOA at 500 yards.

1 MOA at 100 = 5" @ 500 (Assuming your shooting Quality high BC projectiles)

A Rem 700 SPS Tactical .308 with match ammo is capable of sub MOA accuracy. It comes with a heavy bbl, good trigger and stock.

Is it a $3K sniper rig?

No, but for the money it is a very accurate rifle.

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Ace, technically I can't disagree with your post. "The rifle shoots"!

Not the shooter!

I think this post has brought up the obvious, The best rifle can... but can the shooter.

I would not discount those who have stated ( yourself included ) go low, with a good round and optics and practice till you can outshoot the rifle. Mosin for a cheap practice rifle, Savage/ Stevens, which I have and like, up through Rem Tacs, Tikka's etc.

I am willing to bet my house ( please ) that you could round up the majority on this post who could out perform the " sniper" rifle of your choice.

All sniping starts with the shooter.

a less than 20/20 swoop

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http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

I just bought a 10 FCP-K in .308, nice rifle...

I didn't see anybody pick up on this, but a real "Dragunov" (AKA SVD) is a true sniper rifle, and they are very VERY accurate....but.... there is no way you will touch one for $1000. More like 3,000 to 4,000. You are probably looking at the PSL which is not nearly the same thing

I think the Savage festus recommended is a great choice. Savage has been known for making some of the most accurate "out of the box" rifles for the last 15 or 20 years. A lot of folks love the Remington, but they are a little more expensive and your 1000 budget won't leave much for a scope.

Defeinitely spend the money for a great scope. Don't make the mistake of buying a gun that is capable and saddling it with a scope that's not.

Probs with the 91/30 are the excess length and the sucky trigger, but they are a screaming bargain for the money

Remember, a rifle might shoot under an inch @ 100 yds out of a vise, but if the trigger is not good, you will never get these groups in reality

I would look for a remington 710 in 300 wm. They come with a tactical Mcmillan stock
but not in a target or bench style. They do have the box magazine and the ejection port is much smaller than the other tactical 700's leaving the action much more rigid. They also have a really good adjustable trigger. A savage would be my second choice, not because of accuracy,
I just like all the options and smiths that know remingtons.

+1 for Savage

I'm not a Sniper, but my Elk Rifle pictured below is nicknamed AT&T.
It started out as a off the rack Savage Model 110 7mm Remington Magnum. The Stock was changed out for a Boyd's Laminate. Pillar bedded and barrel floated. The Rifle then went to a good local Gunsmith for accurizing.
Out of the Box it was a 2MOA Rifle. Now with the changes and shooting Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silver Tip, it's a Tack Driver.

As others here have stated, long range shooting is a combination of Rifle, Ammo, and most importantly You. Nobody can tell you what Rifle will be right for you. You may find like I did, the right combo for you is not available and you will have to modify a Rifle to fit.

Mosin Nagant factory spec (pre war anyway) was 3 out of 5 touching at 100 meters, if the rifle didnt meet that spec it was sent back and reworked.

the problem is people buy the top of the pile counterbored, frosted piece of crap instead of spending the cash to buy something quality.

http://www.gunsnammo.com/4035X.htm

80% blue, mirror sharp bore, matching bolt and a post war stock in excellent condition.

$289.99

as for the scope ATI sells a mount that replaces teh rear sight and is complete crap.

accumounts.com sells reproduction PU and PE mounts in both 1" and 26.5mm ring diameter, as well as reproduction PU and PE scopes.

$600 for scope and rifle, another $50 for your smith to mount the base to the rifle and cut the stock down to fit the mount.

$350 for ammo which will get you 2 880 round cases of bulgy light ball from ammunitiontogo.com

there are plenty of better rifles around in the same price range but nowhere near the ammo cost of the mosin.

Way to much to cover on this subject. You need to set aside the next month for research before you even think of a gun and or a caliber. This shit take's dedication

IMO, what sets a sniper rifle apart from a typical bolt action(see pic above) is durability. A sniper rifle needs to be able to take abuse and maintain zero

Think of this. You and your buddy are working in for a shot when accidently drop or smack the scope.Now youve lost zero,and the previous 2 months of work you did logging the rifle is now worthless.

A sniper rifle needs to be tough!


Lysander's first post is a good,cheap setup. I would add ken farrel's matched mount and rings and I think you would have a good(TOUGH) basic sniper rifle.

Bolt guns are the most accurate although some newer semi are giving them a run for their money. The 54 R are cheap and fun to shoot, the match ammo for them is tough to come by and a bit costly, as well as mild corrosive primed. The PSL are not as accurate as you would think without match ammo they are 3-4" inch groupers. The older 700 are still the standard which to judge. Thanks TD for the utube clips it's great to see these old war horses still ringing the gong

My personal set up after having match grade heavy ass bolt guns; Remington 700 ADL with 24" barrel, rifle sights, 15MOA base, low mount rings, and a Buschnell 3200 elite mil dot. It's accurate enough, the irons clear the base for use inside of 300 yards, and it can easily shoot out to 800+ meters. I've personally only fired it to 700 meters.

+1 on Savage.
Best bang for the buck out there if ya ask me.

I have the 10FCP in 308 with detachable box mags and McMillan stock.
It came in right around $1k.
Note...that did not include the scope, base or rings.
But for a good rifle at the $1k mark, it's great.

Centerfiresystems.com has a Dragunov Style Sniper Rifle for around $500. I use mine and love it!!!! Love the 7.62x54r round. You'd be happy