Since Saiga 5.45's are flooding in rumor has it that Saiga will move on Rimfire project and Russian Saiga importers will capitalize on Cugir/Romania ending it's Rimfire AKM run of the WASR 22/AKT-98/RPK-22 family . With the GSG lovefest waining and the Colt/Umerex being just a notch above the GSG family of weapons, Saiga could tap into the Hunger of Rimfire enthusiasts for mor than jus ammo .

I handled a Kalashnikov .22 by GSG this evening over at On Target in Kalamazoo. It was nicely done, except for the wood. Now that said, it's probably authentic in that regards as I guess most AK-47s were cheap cheap wood, even pallet boards I'm told. The PG was a bit small, but figured was good for a woman or juvenile for shooting. Price is definitely adult. Over 500 bucks. But the overall metal machining and finish were very good. Now, if it is as accurate and reliable as the GSG MP-5 That will be very nice. Even though it is $500 +, your savings come in the form of .22 LR ammo that you can eat up all day long at shooting and not break the bank.

This 22 rifle is made by German Sports Guns and says "Kalshanikov" on the left side.

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Originally Posted by Gator Monroe
Since Saiga 5.45's are flooding in rumor has it that Saiga will move on Rimfire project and Russian Saiga importers will capitalize on Cugir/Romania ending it's Rimfire AKM run of the WASR 22/AKT-98/RPK-22 family . With the GSG lovefest waining and the Colt/Umerex being just a notch above the GSG family of weapons, Saiga could tap into the Hunger of Rimfire enthusiasts for mor than jus ammo .

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Why not get a Saiga in 7.62 X 51mm? They are already available, and I have a deposit on one.

Already got one

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Originally Posted by tdbrown1969
Saiga is also been rumored to be coming out with a 7.62X54 rifle.If I had a choice I would buy the 7.62X54 rifle over a .22 any day.But then again I already own 3 rifles and a pistol in .22,td

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Originally Posted by BIgSal
That is incorrect. Izhmash has no plans on bringing a 7.62x54r saiga to the states. They do not have plans on reintroducing the Tigr ether, which is their export sporting edition 7.62x54r.

I mean really, where do you hear these "rumors"? In your head?

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Originally Posted by BIgSal
That is incorrect. Izhmash has no plans on bringing a 7.62x54r saiga to the states. They do not have plans on reintroducing the Tigr ether, which is their export sporting edition 7.62x54r.

I mean really, where do you hear these "rumors"? In your head?

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Originally Posted by Fortis
Why the sarcasm? I`ve heard the same rumors floating around. Not sure if it has more to do w/ RAA not importing them or Izhmash not exporting. Either way it seems foolish not to offer it w/ all the relatively cheap 7.62x54 surplus in the market. The Tigr`s been banned from import for years thanks to Klinton.

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Originally Posted by tdbrown1969
So BIGSALLY you have inside info on what Saiga's will be imported to the USA?



He is a keyboard know-it-all Fortis.Guy has 8 total post and wants to talk down to me like I am little kid on a post I made 2 months ago

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Originally Posted by BIgSal
I know what will be imported through 2nd quarter of 2010, yes. The 7.62x54r is not even available as a saiga, nor has RAA or Arsenal requested one.

Now, assuming 9x53R ammo becomes available in the US Izhmash might import saiga's for that round. But seriously, don't just make things up and expect people who know better not to call you on it. Thats one of the reasons I rarely post on this site, to many people just throwing $hit on the wall and hoping something sticks.

Also, you misspelled my name kiddo. Its "Sal". Looks like you mistakenly added and extra "LY".

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I have also heard the rumor of the 54r saiga. To be honest unless someone was to actually contact Izmash and ask them about it I would venture to say that there is no way of disproving it. Even if Izmash was to deny the rumor that doesn't mean that one would never be imported. I guarantee you if they see enough demand for it they will make it available, they love money just like everyone else.

Just sent off an e-mail to RAA, will post when I hear from them.

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I have also heard the rumor of the 54r saiga. To be honest unless someone was to actually contact Izmash and ask them about it I would venture to say that there is no way of disproving it. Even if Izmash was to deny the rumor that doesn't mean that one would never be imported. I guarantee you if they see enough demand for it they will make it available, they love money just like everyone else.

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P.S. - Sorry if this hijacks your thread a bit Gator, but this question`s got to be put to rest. When I hear from RAA I`ll shoot a question to`em about rimfires.

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The Issue has to do with the contract Izhmash had with B-West as the original importer of their Tigr line. I really don't think I need to explain any further, you guys can use google to figure out the rest.

Just please stop talking out your asses, you guys are gonna raise peoples expectations unnecessarily.

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"When I hear from RAA I`ll shoot a question to`em about rimfires." You mean "rimmed" cases don't you Fortis? There already is a .22 rimfire rifle sold in U.S. I have held one. Says "Kalashnikov" on the side.

Darth, by rimfires I meant .22 caliber. I`ve seen the Wasr`s & GSG`s out there but no Saigas in .22., as Gator posted about.

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"When I hear from RAA I`ll shoot a question to`em about rimfires." You mean "rimmed" cases don't you Fortis? There already is a .22 rimfire rifle sold in U.S. I have held one. Says "Kalashnikov" on the side.

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Well damn, looks like they`re nicely done. I`d only seen them in passing by at a few shows, never got a close look. Being German made I`d put these against a Saiga. Good info T.D., didn`t know about Mr. K`s involvement. Might be as close to an actual Saiga .22 as we`ll get, unless they decide to make them.

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I mentioned the info about this in post #2 above back on August 25th. I didn't post pictures since "Google is my friend".. LOL
No. I seriously doubt that Saiga will import a .22 LR caliber into the U.S. It's just not their cup of tea.
They design shit around military uses in their country and other countries and that provides a base for their production. Just because "we" American like it, I doubt that we have much influence on what their factory will produce. A .22 is a nice rifle, but even they (Russians) don't have much use for our 5.56 x 45, so they made their own verions a 5.45 X 39. I truly don't see .22 LR as a Saiga future, especially since they have condoned GSG to make a "likeness" of the AK-47 in .22 LR.

^Yeah, makes sense. I`m sure they worked a good deal selling the building rights. Maybe we should start bugging GSG about doing the 7.62x54.

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Now a bolt rifle in 5.45x 39 would really send me into a tizzy!

swoops

222 Remington, and others, are superior to the 5.45 x 39. A bolt action in .223 Remington has taken 2 mule deer for me when I lived in Nebraska.

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Originally Posted by BIgSal
The Issue has to do with the contract Izhmash had with B-West as the original importer of their Tigr line. I really don't think I need to explain any further, you guys can use google to figure out the rest.

Just please stop talking out your asses, you guys are gonna raise peoples expectations unnecessarily.

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Hey Darth welcome to Shitigan!

Agreed to .223 being a better round, but would love to plink with 5.45.

Fight on gentlemen, don't want to muss up this thread

that is all

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Ahhh plinker... you want a Ruger mini-14 then... LOL

sorry fortis,

I am now silent

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Hey Darth welcome to Shitigan!

Agreed to .223 being a better round, but would love to plink with 5.45.

Fight on gentlemen, don't want to muss up this thread

that is all

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sorry fortis,

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Reply from RAAC -

"There is no 762X54r slated to come in right now. We are asking the factory for that caliber, but no luck yet."

Clyde Woods
RAAC

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I know what will be imported through 2nd quarter of 2010, yes. The 7.62x54r is not even available as a saiga, nor has RAA or Arsenal requested one.
But seriously, don't just make things up and expect people who know better not to call you on it. Thats one of the reasons I rarely post on this site, to many people just throwing $hit on the wall and hoping something sticks.
Also, you misspelled my name kiddo. Its "Sal". Looks like you mistakenly added and extra "LY".

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Just please stop talking out your asses, you guys are gonna raise peoples expectations unnecessarily.

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Reply from RAAC -

"There is no 762X54r slated to come in right now. We are asking the factory for that caliber, but no luck yet."

Clyde Woods
RAAC

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Chirrp chirrp chirrp...where`d little sally go? Anyway, I`ll hold out hope.

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Is Izhmash can make a profit from the rimfire Saigas then they'll export them here. It's all a matter of money.

I don't like the GSG since it's dressed to look like an AK. The Armscor AK22 is a lot cheaper and is reliable and the Romanians made a big mistake when they stopped making the WASR-22.

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Originally Posted by uzitiger
Is Izhmash can make a profit from the rimfire Saigas then they'll export them here. It's all a matter of money.

I don't like the GSG since it's dressed to look like an AK. The Armscor AK22 is a lot cheaper and is reliable and the Romanians made a big mistake when they stopped making the WASR-22.

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