Finally shot an AR today

Hamrhed · 07-29-2012, 03:55 PM

Went out to the range for some AK/Glock goodness... met a shooter packing a Bushmaster M4. We traded for a few rounds: I liked the rifle- felt good and the recoil was similar to my 74; he liked my rifle and said that he had noticed some AKs when he shot 3 gun. I think I'll keep my AK

His girlfriend tried his Remington 12 Gg... and handed it back after 1 shot

maxxmojo · 07-29-2012, 04:17 PM

Now you have to clean one.

Hamrhed · 07-29-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by maxxmojo

Now you have to clean one.

I thought about that...
Well, I asked him about breaking it down- and he proceeded to do it

it didnt look too bad... definitely worse than my AK it seems lol

inhiliator5000 · 07-29-2012, 06:22 PM

i remember shooting my first AR. it was earlier this year.

my initial reaction was : meh....

Pretty darn accurate i must say.

My brother has an AR. Cleaning looks like a pain in the ASS.

KernelKrink · 07-29-2012, 06:22 PM

You did wash your hands right after, didn't you?

shifty_85 · 07-29-2012, 06:32 PM

first AR i ever shot was a .50 beowulf kicked like my 870 with 3" slugs they are not bad to take apart took my AR-10 / Bolt apart it wasnt too bad. my saiga came apart really easy but i couldnt get the bolt to slide forward easy took 10-15 trys.

inhiliator5000 · 07-29-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KernelKrink

You did wash your hands right after, didn't you?

i know you are talking to OP, but I definitely did.

I felt like i could break that little thing between my hands.

Hamrhed · 07-29-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KernelKrink

You did wash your hands right after, didn't you?

Yes I did

Honestly... there was time (pre-AK) that I would have liked to have that M4; today, I felt proud looking at the two side by side lol

Hamrhed · 07-29-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by inhiliator5000

I felt like i could break that little thing between my hands.

Yeah, my SGL felt much more 'robust' in comparison

Enraged Gecko · 07-29-2012, 08:56 PM

There's nothing wrong with a little complexity. The 1911 has a rather complicated manual of arms compared to modern designs like the beretta and sig

HWI · 07-29-2012, 10:50 PM

I enjoy shooting my AR, though not as much as my AK. It does take a little more to clean them, but it's not bad once you are familiar with it.

fly · 07-30-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by inhiliator5000

i remember shooting my first AR. it was earlier this year.

my initial reaction was : meh....

Pretty darn accurate i must say.

My brother has an AR. Cleaning looks like a pain in the ASS.

+1 on cleaning

shifty_85 · 07-30-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by inhiliator5000

i know you are talking to OP, but I definitely did.

I felt like i could break that little thing between my hands.

the tiny little AR-15s i feel are like holding a plastic bat. and i can crush it in my hands. my AR-10 is about 8lbs so it feels alot better to me.

**David Teague** · 07-30-2012, 11:42 AM

I took out one of my "M-4" this weekend and I must say for all out speed and accuracy on target I can run my AR faster & better with less effort .... AK feel like I'm bending them to my will.

I still can run an AK fast and on target enough to count.

Ermac · 07-30-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by David Teague

I took out one of my "M-4" this weekend and I must say for all out speed and accuracy on target I can run my AR faster & better with less effort .... AK feel like I'm bending them to my will.

I still can run an AK fast and on target enough to count.

Which AK?

inhiliator5000 · 07-30-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamrhed

Yeah, my SGL felt much more 'robust' in comparison

+1 dude.

my SGL is bomb proof i feel.

Goddamn i love kalashnikovs.

Hamrhed · 07-30-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by inhiliator5000

+1 dude.

my SGL is bomb proof i feel.

Goddamn i love kalashnikovs.

That's right, brother... nothing wrong with an AR but nothing like an AK

**David Teague** · 07-30-2012, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ermac

Which AK?

I have a stock AK-74, An AK-74 made in to a Beryl wannabe, a Arsenal SGL 21-61, a PSL and a 10B (RPK)...

all of them.

Cy4ka · 07-31-2012, 12:14 AM

Cleaning isn't that bad at all. In fact I think an AK is a bigger pain in the ass.
Pull the take-down pin and open the rifle, everything comes out in one pull of the charging handle. Clean the bolt, spray down the inside of the upper, check for shit in your extractor then stick it all back in after a quick wipe down with lube.

HWI · 07-31-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cy4ka

Cleaning isn't that bad at all. In fact I think an AK is a bigger pain in the ass.
Pull the take-down pin and open the rifle, everything comes out in one pull of the charging handle. Clean the bolt, spray down the inside of the upper, check for shit in your extractor then stick it all back in after a quick wipe down with lube.

Well, it's not like cleaning the bolt on an AR is like cleaning the bolt on an AK.
On my AK I just give the bolt face a quick scrub then wipe it down with CLP.
On my AR the bolt takes some elbow grease to get all the shit off it.
Now if you aren't shooting much on each outing then it's a lot easier to clean.

2Munkeez · 07-31-2012, 04:14 AM

I love my M4gery. Hell, its in the back seat right now

I think both designs have their advantages, when it comes to cleaning. I find a "quick cleaning" to be easier with the AR platform. As for a "thorough cleaning" well, I don't do that very often lol my M4 runs just fine nice and dirty. In fact, both rifles have served as my patrol rifle, both have had countless rounds through them, both have been rode hard an put up wet, neither has ever been pampered, and neither one has ever jammed ONCE. The only real difference between them is I sold the SAR1

sniper3 · 07-31-2012, 05:49 AM

Got both, shoot both and believe me the AR stays home alot more then the AK. Its a real pain in the ass to clean , and God forbid if you get a piece of dirt in it , Lmao

AKBLUE · 07-31-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sniper3

Got both, shoot both and believe me the AR stays home alot more then the AK. Its a real pain in the ass to clean , and God forbid if you get a piece of dirt in it , Lmao

What area of cleaning is giving you problems on the AR. Someone here can likely help you out to resolve the issues you are having.

**David Teague** · 07-31-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sniper3

Got both, shoot both and believe me the AR stays home alot more then the AK. Its a real pain in the ass to clean , and God forbid if you get a piece of dirt in it , Lmao

I just don't know what to say to this as both platforms take time to clean is all.

I grew up shooting muzzleloaders & shooting black powder so either type of weapon is a snap to clean in my book....

Like falling off a log in fact.

deathfromafar · 07-31-2012, 11:08 AM

...Y'all clean your AKs?

**David Teague** · 07-31-2012, 11:11 AM

Since I run corrosive surplus ammo in them... yes. The ARs I let sit as as long as I clean them every 1000 rounds or so they don't have a problem.

20nickels · 07-31-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by deathfromafar

...Y'all clean your AKs?

(old AK joke) Just spit on them and call them whores.

inhiliator5000 · 07-31-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by deathfromafar

...Y'all clean your AKs?

only when shooting corrosive... but even that is a half ass hack job.

water down the bore & gas tube.

loads of clp, brush that shit, clp again. done.

other than that, i go months without cleaning.

talaananthes · 07-31-2012, 03:59 PM

You spend too long on it. It takes me 5 minutes to do all the cleaning my AK needs. It's not spotless, but it doesn't need to be (seriously, too many people overclean their guns). Although, my Manticore flash hider seems to really not take well to corrosive ammo, it gets rust in it all the time, in the threads.

theAKpastor(ShortStock) · 07-31-2012, 05:54 PM

I used to shoot with my buddy who has a RRA AR. Always thought it felt like a paintball gun, the way its set up and the recoil. Just IMO

Sweersa · 07-31-2012, 05:58 PM

I have only handled M4 styled ARs at gun shows and they feel super light. I'd love to shoot one sometime.

Only gun I have in 5.56x45 is my SL8-1/G36 conversion. The original match "heavy" barrel was shortened but only turned down after the gas block which is covered by the hand guard so it is front heavy. The bipod doesn't help in that regard either.

It uses a short stroke gas piston system so cleaning is almost as easy as the AK.

joseywales76 · 07-31-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KernelKrink

You did wash your hands right after, didn't you?

lol

deathfromafar · 08-01-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 20nickels

....Just spit on them and call them whores.

Tomfoolery · 08-01-2012, 10:22 AM

I might be the only person who thinks that gun ISNT ergonomic. Even with that telescopic stock it doesn't fit my shoulder well. Maybe a different stock would help.

Yes they do shoot nice though, almost no muzzle rise.

Ermac · 08-01-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomfoolery

I might be the only person who thinks that gun ISNT ergonomic. Even with that telescopic stock it doesn't fit my shoulder well. Maybe a different stock would help.

Yes they do shoot nice though, almost no muzzle rise.

I find every part of the AR ergonomic, although I prefer fixed stocks to telescoping stocks. I don't like telescoping stocks.

07-29-2012, 03:55 PM	#1
Hamrhed Система AKaholic #: 77670 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: KY Posts: 1,543	Finally shot an AR today Went out to the range for some AK/Glock goodness... met a shooter packing a Bushmaster M4. We traded for a few rounds: I liked the rifle- felt good and the recoil was similar to my 74; he liked my rifle and said that he had noticed some AKs when he shot 3 gun. I think I'll keep my AK His girlfriend tried his Remington 12 Gg... and handed it back after 1 shot

07-29-2012, 06:32 PM	#6
shifty_85 Senior Member AKaholic #: 155065 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: farmington hills Posts: 581	first AR i ever shot was a .50 beowulf kicked like my 870 with 3" slugs they are not bad to take apart took my AR-10 / Bolt apart it wasnt too bad. my saiga came apart really easy but i couldnt get the bolt to slide forward easy took 10-15 trys. __________________ M91/30 Izhevsk 1937. M91/30 Izhevsk bubba modded 1944 M1895 Nagant handgun. 1945 Rock island armory 1911 Tac .45ACP bushmaster BAR-10 .308. Takes FAL mags Saiga 12 gauge Almost all the way converted Savage 30-30 bolt action. M995 hi-point 9mm carbine. Remington 870. 1965 enfield ishapore .308 bolt action 1943 Free .303 Enfield project gun 1941 SVT-40 TLC project it needs it! All of my russian guns are made at the same izhmash factory in Izhevsk russia!

07-29-2012, 08:56 PM	#10
Enraged Gecko Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 156919 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,703	There's nothing wrong with a little complexity. The 1911 has a rather complicated manual of arms compared to modern designs like the beretta and sig __________________ Never get into an arguement with an idiot. He'll just drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

07-30-2012, 11:42 AM	#14
David Teague Moderator AKaholic #: 162037 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 3,449	I took out one of my "M-4" this weekend and I must say for all out speed and accuracy on target I can run my AR faster & better with less effort .... AK feel like I'm bending them to my will. I still can run an AK fast and on target enough to count. __________________ The "harsh ruler" of punishment that meets the knuckles of marketplace tomfoolery,"Moderator or Dictator?", "tyrant mod", "polished leftest turd", "Dear Leader", "knuckle-dragging caveman"and "slime of the earth" of www.neuteredteddybears.com/

07-31-2012, 04:14 AM	#21
2Munkeez Sheath Maker/Zombie Hunter AKaholic #: 162305 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Gulf Central FL Posts: 1,370	I love my M4gery. Hell, its in the back seat right now I think both designs have their advantages, when it comes to cleaning. I find a "quick cleaning" to be easier with the AR platform. As for a "thorough cleaning" well, I don't do that very often lol my M4 runs just fine nice and dirty. In fact, both rifles have served as my patrol rifle, both have had countless rounds through them, both have been rode hard an put up wet, neither has ever been pampered, and neither one has ever jammed ONCE. The only real difference between them is I sold the SAR1 __________________ For all your carry needs, check out 2 Munkeez (the site is down, for now, but it shall return)

07-29-2012, 06:22 PM	#4
inhiliator5000 Member AKaholic #: 157615 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 131	i remember shooting my first AR. it was earlier this year. my initial reaction was : meh.... Pretty darn accurate i must say. My brother has an AR. Cleaning looks like a pain in the ASS.

07-29-2012, 06:22 PM	#5
KernelKrink Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 2036 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,558	You did wash your hands right after, didn't you?

07-29-2012, 10:50 PM	#11
HWI Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 161546 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: GLORIOUS FLORIDA Posts: 2,643	I enjoy shooting my AR, though not as much as my AK. It does take a little more to clean them, but it's not bad once you are familiar with it.

07-31-2012, 12:14 AM	#19
Cy4ka Banned AKaholic #: 158050 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Behind You Posts: 5,602	Cleaning isn't that bad at all. In fact I think an AK is a bigger pain in the ass. Pull the take-down pin and open the rifle, everything comes out in one pull of the charging handle. Clean the bolt, spray down the inside of the upper, check for shit in your extractor then stick it all back in after a quick wipe down with lube.

07-31-2012, 05:49 AM	#22
sniper3 Member AKaholic #: 158003 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: florida Posts: 206	Got both, shoot both and believe me the AR stays home alot more then the AK. Its a real pain in the ass to clean , and God forbid if you get a piece of dirt in it , Lmao

07-31-2012, 11:08 AM	#25
deathfromafar Member AKaholic #: 163010 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: MS Posts: 95	...Y'all clean your AKs?

07-31-2012, 11:11 AM	#26
David Teague Moderator AKaholic #: 162037 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 3,449	Since I run corrosive surplus ammo in them... yes. The ARs I let sit as as long as I clean them every 1000 rounds or so they don't have a problem. __________________ The "harsh ruler" of punishment that meets the knuckles of marketplace tomfoolery,"Moderator or Dictator?", "tyrant mod", "polished leftest turd", "Dear Leader", "knuckle-dragging caveman"and "slime of the earth" of www.neuteredteddybears.com/

07-31-2012, 03:59 PM	#29
talaananthes Senior Member AKaholic #: 160654 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Kentucky Posts: 525	You spend too long on it. It takes me 5 minutes to do all the cleaning my AK needs. It's not spotless, but it doesn't need to be (seriously, too many people overclean their guns). Although, my Manticore flash hider seems to really not take well to corrosive ammo, it gets rust in it all the time, in the threads.

07-31-2012, 05:54 PM	#30
theAKpastor(ShortStock) Resident Bubba AKaholic #: 162490 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Alpharetta Posts: 1,590	I used to shoot with my buddy who has a RRA AR. Always thought it felt like a paintball gun, the way its set up and the recoil. Just IMO __________________ Vepr II 7.62x54r Polish Underfolder Krinky Draco Carbine Sig Sauer 522 Classic Commando Cobray Mac 11 9mm Carbine 1945 Lee Endield 303 20ga Bolt-Action H&R 22lr Plainsman Bolt-Action Tisas Zigana Sport 9mm Baretta 92f Compact 3" carry 1911 45acp Colt 1911 Rail 22lr Para Ordnance P14-45 Expert S&W Regulation Police 38s&w Remy 870 sawed off by the bed Mosin 91/30 "Вопрос не в том, кто будет препятствовать мне, это кто же остановит меня".

07-31-2012, 05:58 PM	#31
Sweersa Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 157316 Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA MI Posts: 4,911	I have only handled M4 styled ARs at gun shows and they feel super light. I'd love to shoot one sometime. Only gun I have in 5.56x45 is my SL8-1/G36 conversion. The original match "heavy" barrel was shortened but only turned down after the gas block which is covered by the hand guard so it is front heavy. The bipod doesn't help in that regard either. It uses a short stroke gas piston system so cleaning is almost as easy as the AK. __________________ So be it, threaten no more To secure peace is to prepare for war So be it, settle the score Touch me again for the words that you'll hear evermore... Don't tread on me

08-01-2012, 10:22 AM	#34
Tomfoolery III% AKaholic #: 155777 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,533	I might be the only person who thinks that gun ISNT ergonomic. Even with that telescopic stock it doesn't fit my shoulder well. Maybe a different stock would help. Yes they do shoot nice though, almost no muzzle rise. __________________ If we wish to be just judges of all things, let us first persuade ourselves of this; that there is not one of us without fault; no man is found who can acquit himself; and he who calls himself innocent does so with reference to a witness and not to his conscience. -Seneca

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