Bug Out...why?

[crispy1]

I have been thinking on this for some time now. I heard some one else mention it as well...why is everyone preparing to "bug out?" Unless it is absolutely necessary you would be leaving your main shelter, heat, your home, all of your food, ammo, guns, etc. Cannot carry all that with you. You would instantly be a refugee constantly on the move and in search for food, water, safety.

Some in the big city will not have a choice. Water will not be able to be pumped higher than about the 5 or 6 floors. If you think more about living in tall buildings and what could happen you will begin to realize what a death trap that will be.

[RG Coburn]

Not too many country folks think of bugging out. Its usually people who live within several blocks of a mall...

[HWI]

Why wouldn't you want to prepare to bug out? You may never have to, but you'll regret it if you do and aren't prepared to. If I have a category 5 hurricane barreling down on me I'd rather be ready to get the hell out of dodge asap then have to hurry to remember and pack everything I need.

[drjarhead]

It's okay to have a plan.
Hell, have a plan for everything...you can think of reasonably...

But yeah, bugging out will be a shit plan for 90%


Fight or flight.

Modern man thinks primarily of flight as soon as things go south.

[spiders88]

Only reason I would leave my house is flood, tsunami coming, etc. It is a good idea to have something prepped in case you have no time to grab shit and go. Plus in my case I would have to get some local family and would want to have supplies in case my truck broke down, I get trapped in traffic, a tree blocks my path returning etc. Also if things started to breakdown and I still was working at a job I would want my wife and I to have supplies to carry us over if we had to walk home, were trapped at work, etc. As many have said I would rather be prepared, than be fucked when a pile of SHTF comes and you aren't at home.

[crispy1]

I live in a totally under ground home out in the sticks of Arkansas. That means our house is poured concrete with only one wall (the front) facing out. So one direction to defend. Easy to heat and cool. I ain't leaving that place for anything! food, water, guns, ammo, wife, dogs. I'm set! Bring it on!

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by crispy1

I live in a totally under ground home out in the sticks of Arkansas. That means our house is poured concrete with only one wall (the front) facing out. So one direction to defend. Easy to heat and cool. I ain't leaving that place for anything! food, water, guns, ammo, wife, dogs. I'm set! Bring it on!

I'd hit you with oblique fire off the flanks and attack from over the top with firebombs and direct assault.

Not sure where your ventilation is at but I'd go after that for sure.

Water supply?
Require energy?

Just some things for you to think about if you haven't.

[Bingo]

A couple of reasons to bug out.....
Hoardes of mutants are coming your way and while you are armed you don't have the means to hold off a couple of hundred......
You are on the "Red List" and if caught you are on the way to a FEMA camp.....
NBC attack has happened and you are in an affected area.....

[Mountionman]

bugging out is basically you got to leave you haven't a choice

[nframe]

It might be your only means of survival...

[TheGreek!]

Originally Posted by drjarhead

I'd hit you with oblique fire off the flanks and attack from over the top with firebombs and direct assault.

Not sure where your ventilation is at but I'd go after that for sure.

Water supply?
Require energy?

Just some things for you to think about if you haven't.

What if he has cameras to see you coming and alarms to let him know the perimeter around his property has been breeched and has perimeter defenses such as land mines and booby traps? If I had a house like that the land around it would be a death trap when TSHTF for anyone that didnt know where all the mines and boobytraps were....

When TSHTF anybody that hops over my wall will land on a mine and get blown up. I plan on boobytrapping the shit out of my property when TSHTF....

[Sweersa]

I think if TSHTF I would have a few friends/family come over so we can set up 24/7 alertness and other then that, we would keep a low profile and not draw any attention unless we had to act on a problem.

[JTEXX53]

A small commune community would be the best idea, so you can have the support of family members and friends you trust. I'm talking about either small houses or mobile homes in a reasonably small area but you wouldn't have to live all that close, say 100 yards apart. Everyone communicates with small walkie talkies that are really inexpensive but have decent range. It would really help, to make home defense/exsisting easiers. Community - Garden, Livestock, not wasting venison killed if you don't have electricty. Also would make it much less expensive to build wind turbines for electricity. Definitely would need a couple of people into brewing beer, hopefully that has some taste to it!
JT

[TheGreek!]

I'm bugging in because my death squad needs a home base.....

[drjarhead]

A small community would be great.

Not many of us will have that option.

We are all mixed in with the lefties and they will gladly inform on us, undermine our security efforts, etc.

Of course, they are all mixed in with us also.

[Renov8]

Bugging out is nothing but a marketing ploy to sell you shit you don't need.

How many of us are really going to bug out? Come on, frikkin wake up. It is not an option.

Most of you don't even know how to wipe your ass, much less make a fire with no matches. Talk to the talk all you want, but at some point you are going to wake up.

A bunch of posers!

[HWI]

Originally Posted by Renov8

Bugging out is nothing but a marketing ploy to sell you shit you don't need.

How many of us are really going to bug out? Come on, frikkin wake up. It is not an option.

Most of you don't even know how to wipe your ass, much less make a fire with no matches. Talk to the talk all you want, but at some point you are going to wake up.

A bunch of posers!

I guess you've never been in an area with natural disasters.

If you had a cat 4 or 5 hurricane coming at you then your tune would change(assuming you have common sense).

[Renov8]

Originally Posted by HWI

I guess you've never been in an area with natural disasters.

If you had a cat 4 or 5 hurricane coming at you then your tune would change(assuming you have common sense).

Actually I have. Been thru a couple hurricanes, countless earthquakes, and a drive through during the Miami riots.

Did not bug out!

[HWI]

Originally Posted by Renov8

Actually I have. Been thru a couple hurricanes, countless earthquakes, and a drive through during the Miami riots.

Did not bug out!

You've been through category 4 or 5 hurricanes? They literally level houses...

[Md3%er]

Hunkering down is the primary plan. Fall back secondary. Bug-out is the last resort. It's still part of the equation.

I would rather have a half assed idea of what to do incase i have to go instead of just grabbing whats in arms reach. Bug out gear works just as well when bugging in, you just dont have to carry the shit.

You know what they say about the best made plans? They make the nost fantastic disasters?

You need to have multiple layers of plans and be flexible on everything. We used to have a saying in the Marines. Semper Gumby. Always Flexible. Be able to make decisions and implement them on the fly will absolutely be the difference between life and death for some.

[drjarhead]

Semper Gumby...

lol

I like that.

I'd also point out though that most times there is no surer way to FU a good plan to change it hastily at the last minute because you panic.

[Md3%er]

Originally Posted by drjarhead

I'd also point out though that most times there is no surer way to FU a good plan to change it hastily at the last minute because you panic.

+1

Panic is the enemy. Easy to say "Do not panic" much harder to actual do. Thats why they say. "Training, Training, Training" When you mind doesnt know what to do it falls back to what it KNOWS to do, follow you training. Bug in, Bug out. Don't talk about it, be about it. Live off the grid even if it's for a weekend. Want to find holes in your plans. Implement them.

Just my opinion. When my family camps we only camp at primative sites. No power, no water no amenities. Lucky for us, its only for short periods of time. If it needed be longer we know we could do it. Miserable sometimes. Hell yeah.

[ColonelKorn]

I've had to bug, not out, but bug.I have a cabin with no electricity, phone, jack shit. I had battery problems with my vehicle and told a family member to come looking for me if I didn't return after 5 days. I was stuck for the full 5 days that time. I keep at least 2 months food in the cabin and another week's worth in the vehicle. I've also been trapped at the cabin for days because of a flooded creek across my only access road, and because of a snowstorm. It pays to have stuff even if you never need it.

[Vini]

I think that "popular bug out" plan is complete BS.
Chances of survival outdoors (even under perfect weather conditions) are close to 0 for waist majority of population.
It's different only if you are alone (no kids/elders), relatively young, in great health/shape and have good extensive survival training and actual experience. Or you are Park Ranger, have good knowledge of few thousand acres of forest around you and work outdoors everyday. Or if you are a member of well organized, experienced & disciplined group of outdoor enthusiasts.

However, need to bug out may occur in case of natural disaster when you HAVE TO get out.
Or, even in case of simple food/water shortages, for most of the people living in large cities - crime will go through the roof fast and, even if you have food/water, you will not survive for long time.

In any case best bug out is fast move to another remote location where you can bug in: cabin, friends in rural area, familiar RV camping site - anything would do.

[Md3%er]

I agree with bugging out not being the first option BUT. Think about this. The human race made it this far. In the beggining there was no electricity or running water or waste disposal. Poeple survived, not just survived but thrived and turned into a civilization. Bugging out is a viable option.

Those with no knowledge of field craft will most assuredly die in the greatest of numbers, however those with a basic knowledge and understanding should so pretty well considering Survival - "so easy a caveman can do it". Mostly joking here but not completely.

[cazzman]

You asked the question in the first paragraph then answered it in the second paragraph

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by Md3%er

I agree with bugging out not being the first option BUT. Think about this. The human race made it this far. In the beggining there was no electricity or running water or waste disposal. Poeple survived, not just survived but thrived and turned into a civilization. Bugging out is a viable option.

Those with no knowledge of field craft will most assuredly die in the greatest of numbers, however those with a basic knowledge and understanding should so pretty well considering Survival - "so easy a caveman can do it". Mostly joking here but not completely.

Well, you stick with the basics.

Food, water, shelter.

Not complicated but how many of us now can feed ourselves. Very small number. Very small. Then, it was almost everyone.
Water is easy, provided you can keep it from being grossly contaminated. Given the stupidity of humans these days, I'm not sure that is likely either. There are solutions to that, even after the fact, and they are not complicated.
Water is easy for most of us though. We will find it unless we live in the desert and even there water is available if you know how to find and obtain.
Most of us could build a basic shelter. Enough probably to keep from dying.

So the problem becomes starvation.

Malnutrition is a set up for infections, injuries and other problems, on top of the problem of starvation itself.

How many people, after not eating for 3 days are going to be a worth a damn in accomplishing any sort of tasK?
Moving on?
Hunting?
Tending their garden and staying awake to protect it?

Yeah, I see food as the major issue and the history of mankind supports that. Famine, or starvation in war or natural disaster, are simply not all that uncommon.

[Makasaurus]

Originally Posted by crispy1

I live in a totally under ground home out in the sticks of Arkansas. That means our house is poured concrete with only one wall (the front) facing out. So one direction to defend. Easy to heat and cool. I ain't leaving that place for anything! food, water, guns, ammo, wife, dogs. I'm set! Bring it on!

That sounds like the coolest house i've ever heard of. (no pun intended). In Australia plenty of people live in underground homes where the soil is just right, some clay-like material that can be compacted. These homes are 70 degrees F even when it's 120 above. And quiet too!
Any way you can post any photos, i'd be very interested if you wouldn't mind. Please PM me if you do.

[c0dy33]

Originally Posted by Renov8

Bugging out is nothing but a marketing ploy to sell you shit you don't need.

How many of us are really going to bug out? Come on, frikkin wake up. It is not an option.

Most of you don't even know how to wipe your ass, much less make a fire with no matches. Talk to the talk all you want, but at some point you are going to wake up.

A bunch of posers!

What are you talking about? I've seen all the 'Man vs. Wild' episodes.

Seriously, I am alone, young, and in pretty good shape. And I live right in the middle of Foodstamps, Tampa. If SHTF, and I don't bug out, I'm as good as dead. Also it depends what the situation is. Not all require bugging out. But since I'm in an urban area surrounded by thuglets and cuban commies, I have no one to blame if I end up dead. I'm out of here at the next opportunity.

[TheGreek!]

Originally Posted by c0dy33

What are you talking about? I've seen all the 'Man vs. Wild' episodes.

Seriously, I am alone, young, and in pretty good shape. And I live right in the middle of Foodstamps, Tampa. If SHTF, and I don't bug out, I'm as good as dead. Also it depends what the situation is. Not all require bugging out. But since I'm in an urban area surrounded by thuglets and cuban commies, I have no one to blame if I end up dead. I'm out of here at the next opportunity.

Have you thought of stealing a big boat when TSHTF and heading out to sea for a while? Thats the plan I would make if I lived near the ocean...

Shit, I'd do it big and bring a group with me and become a pirate...

Arrrrrrrrr me hearties!! Shiver me timbers, Greekbeard the pirate is coming for the booty (both kinds), hide the women and the gold!!!

[AE86FL]

Originally Posted by TheGreek!

Have you thought of stealing a big boat when TSHTF and heading out to sea for a while? Thats the plan I would make if I lived near the ocean...

Shit, I'd do it big and bring a group with me and become a pirate...

Arrrrrrrrr me hearties!! Shiver me timbers, Greekbeard the pirate is coming for the booty (both kinds), hide the women and the gold!!!

You are right on, Greek. Get a boat, fly the cuban flag, float around the FL coast, and pretend you all are cuban refugee. Wet foot dry foot policy will get you all the hand out and shelter that you ever need.

[boomerdog]

Originally Posted by TheGreek!

Arrrrrrrrr me hearties!! Shiver me timbers, Greekbeard the pirate is coming for the booty

Now I don't keer who ya are, THAT'S FUNNY!

[c0dy33]

Originally Posted by TheGreek!

Have you thought of stealing a big boat when TSHTF and heading out to sea for a while? Thats the plan I would make if I lived near the ocean...

Shit, I'd do it big and bring a group with me and become a pirate...

Arrrrrrrrr me hearties!! Shiver me timbers, Greekbeard the pirate is coming for the booty (both kinds), hide the women and the gold!!!

I did think about that actually. In St. Petersburg, FL there are a ton of rich old guys with million dollar yachts. Man u get one of them babies and you're set for life. Mount a few belt-feds on it though because you know some other mf'er has the same idea.

[TheGreek!]

[Blacksmith]

It’s all part of the big picture. Some would like you to believe that you can’t survive without the government titty in your mouth. Others have been living without it their entire life.
Those people that want you to believe that life would not exist without “Fearless leader“. Are the same Fascist pricks that don’t recognize that weapons can be used for self defense and the preservation of life. The fact of the matter here is. That the human race has survived for thousands of years without retarded Fascist nurturing. And we can adapt to any situation.
The only reason I can see somebody “Bugging out” is if the area becomes uninhabitable due to radiation or some other local catastrophe. If that was the case. I recommend you bring as much of your food and liquid assets you can carry. and shack up with friends or relatives outside the infected area. Those that think they can simply trespass on others property. and live off of poaching their resources and game. will meet a very quick and deserving end.