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Make mine underfolded 03-01-2017 03:07 PM

SVD/Tiger vs Legion Vepr
 
So, I have always wanted a SVD rifle, just can't fathom the 6 to 11k price tag... I recently found a Tiger rifle on GB for $3,850, which isn't "bad" I guess.

Then a friend of mine pointed me to this:

https://www.legionusa.com/vepr-rifle...svd-clone.html

Less than 1/2 the cost, and looks nice. BUT, not an SVD. I know they both shoot the same accuracy wise, but I kinda feel like the Vepr would be a compromise I may regret later.

So for those who own a Tiger or NDM type, hold out and convert the Tiger, or just get the Vepr?

euphrates 03-01-2017 03:24 PM

If you have the money get the SVD

Its like comparing an MP5 and a Sub2000 in cool factor

Hilljack 03-01-2017 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by euphrates (Post 3879294)
If you have the money get the SVD

Yup.

Sold 2 PSLs after getting a 54r Vepr. Mine is still not as accurate as the Tiger, but way better than the PSLs.

Magazines are still an issue with the 54r Vepr. Csspecs has helped this a lot, but they are still single stack.

If going Vepr, I'd recommend a .308, probably 20 inch barrel. You get double stack mags, and a good chance of better accuracy.

Make mine underfolded 03-01-2017 03:39 PM

Good point!

pre1989 03-01-2017 08:40 PM

Yep get the SVD if you can ..Vepers are very cool but they are not a SVD really they are closer to RPK in some ways then the SVD if I am not wrong

TX-Zen 03-01-2017 10:33 PM

There is nothing wrong with a Vepr. Wonderful rifles and for the money will shoot probably as well as the SVD / Tiger with surplus ammo. Veprs have excellent QC and are regarded being about the best stamped Kalashnikov you can get

That being said there is really no comparison to the cool factor of the SVD against everything else. With the right ammo it is really a sub MOA rifle despite nay-sayers who refute the claims

I have personally shot .93" with handloads from my NDM86 in 54R, and .74" with my former 308 NDM. On a random day with my Tiger I shot 1.5" with 200gr match 54r ammo...they will shoot but it all depends on the ammo

Make mine underfolded 03-01-2017 10:37 PM

TxZen, you are mostly to blame for my fixation on the rifle and Russian optics as well. I see awesome pics on your website of these things, then have to have them!

Thanks for the info. I am set on the Tiger, already found the conversion parts. Just waiting for .gov to give me my money back.

Make mine underfolded 03-01-2017 10:47 PM

How bad is the front sight to get off? My SLR106UR was pretty easy with penetrating oil...

paulo 03-02-2017 06:29 AM

Can't beat the real thing. Save your money.

Denver762 03-02-2017 06:34 PM

Vepr's are Vepr's, SVD's are SVD's.... but I love my Vepr!

http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/...pszepox3no.jpg

Hilljack 03-02-2017 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Make mine underfolded (Post 3880280)
How bad is the front sight to get off? My SLR106UR was pretty easy with penetrating oil...

Front sight on the Vepr? Mine was on there very tightly. A press would be nice for removal.

ncreptile 03-03-2017 05:15 PM

I've had at least 5 PSLs, couple VEPRs in big boy rounds and one Tiger.
Still have the tiger, have none of the PSLs or VEPRs.

Comparing a Mustang GT to a Dodge Viper. They'll both get you from A to B and the GT can be made to compete very well with the viper. But everyone knows what the better/cooler car is. If you were getting a rifle just for accuracy, go with a bolt action.

Or do what most do.. Take your VEPR and dress it up as a dragunov so they can pretend.
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/Vomit.gif

VEPR is a great gun, but don't buy it if what you really want is the dragunov.

Wilhelm 03-03-2017 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TX-Zen (Post 3880230)
There is nothing wrong with a Vepr. Wonderful rifles and for the money will shoot probably as well as the SVD / Tiger with surplus ammo. Veprs have excellent QC and are regarded being about the best stamped Kalashnikov you can get

That being said there is really no comparison to the cool factor of the SVD against everything else. With the right ammo it is really a sub MOA rifle despite nay-sayers who refute the claims

I have personally shot .93" with handloads from my NDM86 in 54R, and .74" with my former 308 NDM. On a random day with my Tiger I shot 1.5" with 200gr match 54r ammo...they will shoot but it all depends on the ammo

+1 There is really nothing else to say.

TX-Zen 03-04-2017 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Make mine underfolded (Post 3880249)
TxZen, you are mostly to blame for my fixation on the rifle and Russian optics as well. I see awesome pics on your website of these things, then have to have them!

Thanks for the info. I am set on the Tiger, already found the conversion parts. Just waiting for .gov to give me my money back.


Well shit, I am a bad influence again :evil:

I blame all the cool kids that came before me and had such neat stuff that I wanted to experience myself.


I will say this though...I've owned a total of 4 NDM's and Tigers and still love them as much as when I first bought one. The shine has never worn off and neither has the giddy feeling of first buying one.



And here is another bad influence. I regret nothing haha
http://zenphotos.net/zenPhotos/File/...DM_Tiger01.JPG

Make mine underfolded 03-04-2017 01:20 PM

Damn. Very nice! What are your favorite optics for the SVD type? I was really eyeing that PS07 Kalinka had listed, but they're gone now.

TX-Zen 03-04-2017 05:03 PM

I'm a huge fan of the PSO-1 and it works as designed but lately have been branching out and trying a few combinations. On the Tiger I am running the PSU 1-4 for something different but I really want another ACOG or BCO optic for it. I was considering the Elcan for a while too but ended up selling it. 1 or 4 x just isn't my thing. Ultimately I may go with a thermal if I can find the time to get back into hog hunting

I like the PS07 with the dragunov reticule but otherwise don't care for the magnification. 7x is too high for me. It's a good scope though, but I like a wider FOV rather than magnification


Overall I would say anything with a 4x or less magnification would be a good start. Use the RS or NPZ mount and good rings and really most anything will do. I had a Zeiss 3-7x that I got in trade and it was really nice. Also the Leatherwood CMR is kick ass based on shooting the ones that friends have, and Primary Arms keeps coming out with cool stuff all the time too.

I actually might add a section to the website about US optics and what works best on AKs. I have ACOGS, BTO, RMRs, MRO and other stuff so maybe it's time to branch out and start buying budget optics too

russianblue 03-04-2017 11:09 PM

Very nice TX Zen! Love my Tigr.

Denver762 03-04-2017 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncreptile (Post 3884252)
Take your VEPR and dress it up as a dragunov so they can pretend.

what the hell, man?

BAC 03-05-2017 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncreptile (Post 3884252)
I've had at least 5 PSLs, couple VEPRs in big boy rounds and one Tiger.
Still have the tiger, have none of the PSLs or VEPRs.

Comparing a Mustang GT to a Dodge Viper. They'll both get you from A to B and the GT can be made to compete very well with the viper. But everyone knows what the better/cooler car is. If you were getting a rifle just for accuracy, go with a bolt action.

Or do what most do.. Take your VEPR and dress it up as a dragunov so they can pretend.

VEPR is a great gun, but don't buy it if what you really want is the dragunov.

I have a fair amount of time behind my .308 VEPR and others' 7.62x54r VEPRs and greatly enjoy it, but I've also had the opportunity to shoot a buddy's SVD. I have to agree with ncreptile - if you want an SVD, don't settle for something that only superficially resembles it. They're different guns and you can tell when shooting them.

If someone were to make a domestic SVD in .308, -06, and it's native x54r and could keep the out-the-door price at or below $2K with occasional seasonal sales, they'd never keep them in stock. Lord knows I'd be in for a .308 rifle on day one.

IanMor 03-05-2017 11:34 AM

you know you want to scratch that itch. Do it. You only live once. I had an NDM-86. It was very cool. I knew I'd never get all the fun out of it it had to offer, so I let it go. I don't regret letting it go, but I certainly would regret never having it.

Sabre5G 03-05-2017 11:45 AM

If you have the money get the Tiger. It's funny how the US Army tried to preach that all combloc weapons were junk yet people are getting under 2 inch groups out of those, many like 1.3 inches of an MOA and the MR762 is rated for 1.5 MOA.

The Dragunov was the first rifle of its genre.

Sabre5G 03-05-2017 11:46 AM

I like the 20 inch Dragunovs a lot. I'd find the folding stock and get an ACOG and a quality side mount.

ncreptile 03-05-2017 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denver762 (Post 3887028)
what the hell, man?

Denver that was a generalization and not directed specifically at yourself.

HOG76 03-05-2017 01:53 PM

Having a gun "dressed up" to look like an SVD is like driving around a 4 cyl Mustang, maybe it looks cool, but, it doesn't have what it needs under the hood.

Denver762 03-05-2017 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncreptile (Post 3887837)
Denver that was a generalization and not directed specifically at yourself.

:rofl_smal

i figured.... but i was the only one that posted a pic of a vepr with "SVD like" furniture.

you guys are crazy though... the Vepr is not an SVD... but it is an awesome gun. and almost every aftermarket stock set for these is the SVD style. so of course thats what people are gonna put on them.

Make mine underfolded 03-05-2017 05:28 PM

Well, the one I wanted just sold. Guess that ends the SVD dream for me.

Hilljack 03-05-2017 05:44 PM

Don't give up . There are other ones out there.

Make mine underfolded 03-13-2017 12:43 PM

Oh my god, there are SO many scammy ads on Armslist! I've been having fun asking them where their pics came from....

GEORGEspb 03-13-2017 01:34 PM

We compared side by side good customized long barrel Vepr and Tiger with good ammo.
Till 300 meters accuracy were very close. Good shooter with good optics can do groups very close to 1MOA. More distance - difference in mech and constitution start playing.
In base variant both - Tiger have sure better accuracy.
But such Vepr in x54 have some interesting (for hunters) advantage - due to one row mag bullets of SP ammo does not damage on feeding tray. And gun itself shorter and lighter than Tigr

Make mine underfolded 03-18-2017 09:14 PM

I would like to thank you all for pushing me in the right direction. I bought a Tiger rifle today from a local person. Couldn't be happier! Taking it to the range tomorrow. I've already ordered every part and accessory out there.

http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/...pscdtxevbn.jpg

Hilljack 03-18-2017 10:31 PM

Very nice! Congrats!!!

maxxmojo 03-18-2017 11:36 PM

Right on man, good score.

ncreptile 03-19-2017 10:47 AM

good choice!!

russianblue 03-19-2017 11:58 AM

Nice Choice! You did well!

Make mine underfolded 03-19-2017 12:06 PM

Thanks all. Headed to the range in a few. Not sure about the massive 1P21 scope, but I'll see how it does.


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