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4mula 04-04-2016 10:26 PM

Great deals on brand name ARs
 
Get them while you can. All three are quality rifles.

https://www.slickguns.com/product/ru...55999#comments

https://www.slickguns.com/product/bu...ot-optic-55681

https://www.slickguns.com/product/sm...rnd-pmag-62999

89grand 04-04-2016 10:39 PM

I'd be real leery of any Freedom Group stuff, as they seem to want to ruin anything they touch, but the Ruger and S&W are solid.

I wish more companies would get into the midlength game instead of all of these carbine styles.

4mula 04-04-2016 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89grand (Post 3184864)
I'd be real leery of any Freedom Group stuff, as they seem to want to ruin anything they touch, but the Ruger and S&W are solid.

I wish more companies would get into the midlength game instead of all of these carbine styles.

I am no expert in ARs and have noticed peeps mention midlenghs over teh last couple of days, whats the difference between a carbine and mid?

IJDM 04-04-2016 10:50 PM

Great buys. Paid 600 for my Ruger AR556 couple weeks ago. Can't go wrong with either Ruger or SW.

IJDM 04-04-2016 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4mula (Post 3184883)
I am no expert in ARs and have noticed peeps mention midlenghs over teh last couple of days, whats the difference between a carbine and mid?

I think carbine is 14" and mid is 16. I have a mid and 20" A4

Aceshigh 04-04-2016 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4mula (Post 3184883)
I am no expert in ARs and have noticed peeps mention midlenghs over teh last couple of days, whats the difference between a carbine and mid?

Midlength has a longer gas system & longer handguard to cover it.

Allegedly

Midlength is better for 16" barrel systems
Carbine is better for 14.5" barrel systems.

Carbine with a 16" barrel
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...pspqcnuoys.jpg

Mid Length with a 16" barrel.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...-31-37_363.jpg

Aceshigh 04-04-2016 10:56 PM

I'm not the resident AR guru by any means, but I just built a better rifle then those for the same price.

$219 PSA MOE upper Stainless 416R match grade midlength (+$18 shipping)
$104 Blitzkrieg Tactical Nickel Boron BCG (+$8 Shipping)
$25 Blitzkrieg Mod3 charging handle
$65 R-Guns nickel boron LPK with FCG (+tax)
$7 upgrade fee for the contoured grip
$32 R-Guns Mil-spec buffer tube kit
$40 Magpul stock (Local Cabelas)
$40 Anderson stripped lower (+$13 FFL Fee)


Those basic M4 handguards and cheap plastic M4 stocks suck.
I'm a heavy modification whore on my classic cars, so I know the loss of $$ buying and rebuying.
Buy once , cry once, do it right the 1st time. :D
Just my .02

4mula 04-04-2016 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aceshigh (Post 3184896)
Midlength has a longer gas system & longer handguard to cover it.

Allegedly

Midlength is better for 16" barrel systems
Carbine is better for 14.5" barrel systems.

Carbine with a 16" barrel
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...pspqcnuoys.jpg

Mid Length with a 16" barrel.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...-31-37_363.jpg

Thank you for explaining that!

89grand 04-04-2016 11:14 PM

Like was mentioned, a carbine and midlength both have 16" barrels, assuming non-SBR rifles.

The advantage to the midlength, is a softer recoil impulse, a longer hand guard, a longer sight radius and you can put a standard bayonet on a midlength (if you're into that sort of thing). I also happen to think less barrel sticking out past the handguard looks better too. The 16" carbine, especially with the M4 barrel profile was supposed to look more like the military M4, but the dimensions are wrong by 1.5", so it's just looks over substance.

For the record, I have a carbine, a midlength and a 7.5" pistol. Shooting the carbine (while utterly reliable) back to back with the midlength you can tell a difference.

The angle of the pic makes the carbine, on the top, look shorter than the mid on the bottom, but it isn't. They are the same length.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...psehi63tas.jpg

89grand 04-04-2016 11:29 PM

In case anyone is wondering, there is also the "dissipator" and those are a 20" gas system on a 16", but honestly, I think those look kind of dumb. This is not mine.

http://www.megpro.com/ar/15/A2dissy/a2dissylft.jpg

Aceshigh 04-04-2016 11:36 PM

I don't personally think the above AR looks "Dumb" .....it's just nostalgic. :)

With a half a century of the AR being the US Military's primary small arm, it's got alot of variations.
Pretty cool stuff IMO. There's alot of goofyness in the $$$'s of aftermarket rifle producers though too.

Aceshigh 04-04-2016 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89grand (Post 3184939)
The angle of the pic makes the carbine, on the top, look shorter than the mid on the bottom, but it isn't. They are the same length.

I think your Carbine stock being collapsed all the way has more to do with it. :cool_smal

Nice collection.

89grand 04-04-2016 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aceshigh (Post 3185002)
I don't personally think the above AR looks "Dumb" .....it's just nostalgic. :)

With a half a century of the AR being the US Military's primary small arm, it's got alot of variations.
Pretty cool stuff IMO. There's alot of goofyness in the $$$'s of aftermarket rifle producers though too.


The A2 upper is fine, it's the dissipator gas system that looks dumb. Granted, the military never used a midlength either, but they don't have to because they use a 14.5" barrel, but a midlength makes some sense. I have no idea who came up with the dissipator, but it makes less sense to me. :)

4mula 04-04-2016 11:46 PM

Im no fan of the looks of the 'Dissipator' either.
I own a Colt A2 20' H-Bar (first AR i ever bought) and too many M4 type ARs.
Now i want a mid to add to the collection.
Looking at the mid i like it cas i could mount my 512 and 3x mag alittle further forward.

89grand 04-04-2016 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aceshigh (Post 3185010)
I think your Carbine stock being collapsed all the way has more to do with it. :cool_smal

Nice collection.

Thanks. I've changed things up just a bit since that pic was taken. The midlength got a CTR stock instead of the MOE, the pistol grip was changed from a MOE, to a BCM Mod 3 (great, cheap grip if you like shorter stocks and shoot my squared up as it has less angle. The other two have BCM Mod 1's, those cost more and aren't quite as good). The pistol is getting a new free floating handguard and adjustable gas block. The carbine doesn't have the light mount any more.

Raiderfan001 04-04-2016 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89grand (Post 3184984)
In case anyone is wondering, there is also the "dissipator" and those are a 20" gas system on a 16", but honestly, I think those look kind of dumb. This is not mine.

My dissapator is one of my favorite rifles. It's a mid length gas though. I even got a baby dissipator too that's a carbine length gas.

[IMG]http://s20.************/9xcvh9r25/20160201_203503.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://s20.************/nypd9qo1p/20160220_172952.jpg[/IMG]

4mula 04-04-2016 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89grand (Post 3185040)
Thanks. I've changed things up just a bit since that pic was taken. The midlength got a CTR stock instead of the MOE, the pistol grip was changed from a MOE, to a BCM Mod 3 (great, cheap grip if you like shorter stocks and shoot my squared up as it has less angle. The other two have BCM Mod 1's, those cost more and aren't quite as good). The pistol is getting a new free floating handguard and adjustable gas block. The carbine doesn't have the light mount any more.

If possible could you post pics.

89grand 04-05-2016 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiderfan001 (Post 3185047)
My dissapator is one of my favorite rifles. It's a mid length gas though. I even got a baby dissipator too that's a carbine length gas.

[IMG]http://s20.************/9xcvh9r25/20160201_203503.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://s20.************/nypd9qo1p/20160220_172952.jpg[/IMG]

Yeah, as soon as I re-read my post, I remembered the dissipator has a 20" front sight (which isn't actually the gas block), but an actual midlength gas system. That shorty looks fucking bad ass, so I have to eat my words a bit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4mula (Post 3185055)
If possible could you post pics.

Is there anything specifically you want to see?

Raiderfan001 04-05-2016 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89grand (Post 3185090)
Yeah, as soon as I re-read my post, I remembered the dissipator has a 20" front sight (which isn't actually the gas block), but an actual midlength gas system. That shorty looks fucking bad ass, so I have to eat my words a bit.



Is there anything specifically you want to see?

If I remember correctly the original dissapator was a rifle length gas system. It was just a cut down 20" rifle but they weren't always reliable. Then someone, I think Bushmaster, came out with the mid length dissapator. PSA calls theirs a mock dissapator.

4mula 04-05-2016 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89grand (Post 3185090)
Yeah, as soon as I re-read my post, I remembered the dissipator has a 20" front sight (which isn't actually the gas block), but an actual midlength gas system. That shorty looks fucking bad ass, so I have to eat my words a bit.



Is there anything specifically you want to see?

The new furniture you added plz

89grand 04-05-2016 01:30 AM

This is a crappy photo, and it doesn't look much different, but anyway, I took one.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...pshinff3oj.jpg

4mula 04-05-2016 01:55 AM

Thank you for taking the picture. Ive been thinking of changing up the furniture on some of my M4s as they all have the same style quad rails.

89grand 04-05-2016 02:14 AM

If you aren't a rail "snob", this one is a decent price at about $72 shipped if you use their discount code. I bought one for my pistol to get rid of the bulky quad rail it came with. It's a free floater, and that may not be what you're looking for.

I had an issue with the rail when I received it, but they jumped right on it, so I'll give them a free pass this once.

http://www.at3tactical.com/products/...2-inch-pro-mod

cal50 04-05-2016 06:09 AM

Some people need the latest & greatest so good deals can be had on last year's models.
My election year black gun buy was a POF P 415 / 3rd generation. Damn nice rifles.
Added MI back up sights and my Elcan specter DR. I need to swap the buttstock and add a sling.

http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/...psizdrj4v2.jpg

gun papa 04-05-2016 09:44 AM

I bought a mid length gas system rifle and like the softer recoil impulse. I see the virtue of the dissapator type gun.

4mula 04-05-2016 09:56 AM

Cal50, thats a tank of a sight you have!
Army still issue those?

Jeep Guy 04-05-2016 05:18 PM

Carbines work fine, but mid-lengths are nicer all the way around for 14.5-16" rifles.

On topic; It's 2016, there's no excuse to buy Bushmaster, the Ruger is probably okay, but the M&P Sport has the track record for budget performance.

cal50 04-05-2016 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4mula (Post 3185447)
Cal50, thats a tank of a sight you have!
Army still issue those?

Yep, you could actually beat someone to death with the Elcan.....
Not sure if they are still stocked but they are nice optics IMHO.

virgil cole 04-06-2016 01:03 AM

I had one of the original 'Dissipators' from Bushmaster 20 years ago it seems like . Wish I hadn't traded it ! It never 'jammed' !

89grand 04-06-2016 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virgil cole (Post 3187033)
I had one of the original 'Dissipators' from Bushmaster 20 years ago it seems like . Wish I hadn't traded it ! It never 'jammed' !

Nice. The bitch just never jammed, it did what you demanded.

4mula 04-06-2016 05:47 PM

This just popped up today,
Complete PSA AR for $573 shipped
https://www.slickguns.com/product/ps...rd-black-57815

Colt expanse $635 plus shipping
http://www.championfirearms.com/Colt...0-p/ce1000.htm

What i do not like about the expanse is that its minus the dust cover, forward assist and rear sight.

4mula 04-06-2016 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89grand (Post 3184864)
I'd be real leery of any Freedom Group stuff, as they seem to want to ruin anything they touch, but the Ruger and S&W are solid.

Anything/any reason perticular to watch out for?
My Bushmaster XM15(preban) has not given me any issues.
I bought that rifle back in 1996.

89grand 04-06-2016 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4mula (Post 3188086)
Anything/any reason perticular to watch out for?
My Bushmaster XM15(preban) has not given me any issues.
I bought that rifle back in 1996.

You should be fine, yours was made long before Bushmaster was bought by the Freedom Group. They fuck up everything they touch, like the more current Remington Express shotguns. Before they bought them, Remington's were always good to go. These days, not so much.

89grand 04-06-2016 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4mula (Post 3188073)
This just popped up today,
Complete PSA AR for $573 shipped
https://www.slickguns.com/product/ps...rd-black-57815

Colt expanse $635 plus shipping
http://www.championfirearms.com/Colt...0-p/ce1000.htm

What i do not like about the expanse is that its minus the dust cover, forward assist and rear sight.

You can get a lot better deals from PSA, when you buy complete uppers or complete rifle kits. I bought my mid-length rifle kit from them for $399 shipped during Labor Day. That was everything but the stripped lower. It even came with Mapul furniture. I just added an Anderson lower I had previously paid $40 for, and had a complete rifle for $440.

bulldozer1 04-06-2016 08:52 PM

Still some nice deals on a Colt.

http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsupersto...2.cfm/ID/13880


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