Could a Saiga-12 be converted to full auto? lol

yea, i know ited kick like hell but ited be the coolest 5 shots in your entire life, anyone have a full automatic 12?

Since they use the same trigger system as other Kalashnikovs, it is possible, but illegal. I suspect you know that and are just dreaming.

Same effect: know how to bumpfire? Got guts enough to try it with a 12 ga? Let us hear from you--preferably with pics!

I thought about doing that with mine, just for the hell of it, then decided against it.

I havent looked real close, but I believe the bolt carrier could be used to trip the sear lever so it would be doable with a modified bolt carrier.

Like Packrat said the trigger groups the same so that part would be fairly easy.

I remember hearing about a manufacturer that converted the saiga .410 ga to a full auto post sample. It might have been troy sellers at inrange that did it. I dont remember for sure.

I thought I heard that some Russian military/police Saiga shotguns were full auto.

Ok... just quickly, a fully auto Saiga 12 with only 5 rd mags... hmm... impressive firepower but rather impractical I might say.

I mean, ok, say 5 guys invade your home. You break out the Saiga 12 and pull the trigger, rendering one or two guys into mince meat that is now splattered against your wall in a mural that threatens to imitate some famous painter. There are three others that get to you by the time you manage to eject the mag and slot a new one. Dead homeowner unless the invaders are completely ignorant of firearms and they think you've got more than 5 rds in there... that is if they don't hear the empty "click" the gun makes the final time the hammer falls. Then they make a mad dash for the outdoors and you live.

Now, scenario #2. You've got a Saiga 12 that's not been converted. Five guys invade your home. You take aim, pull the trigger, take aim, pull the trigger. Repeat three more times. Now you have 5 dead invaders...

Fully auto? I'd rather see that in a rifle with a high cap mag... unless you want to add a high cap mag to the Saiga 12 but then that would break more than a few laws regarding shotguns. That's just my humble opion.

Well, I'm not sure how many home invaders would stay around after the first was turned to mush waiting to see if they heard it click empty. Most would fade as soon as they heard the distinctive "Kalashnikov clash" when you chambered the first round. But I agree, 5 well-placed shots will beat 10 shots AT the target.

FA is good when you are trying to keep someone's head down, or you have enough targets that you don't need to aim--you can't miss. If you don't worry about over-penetration, an AK with a drum beats a shotgun for home-defence. But FA is always a hoot, if you can afford the ammo.

Is there some technique to bump-fire? I've done it a few times with my Saiga conversion while rapid firing, but it was unintentional.

Ok... just quickly, a fully auto Saiga 12 with only 5 rd mags... hmm... impressive firepower but rather impractical I might say.

I mean, ok, say 5 guys invade your home. You break out the Saiga 12 and pull the trigger, rendering one or two guys into mince meat that is now splattered against your wall in a mural that threatens to imitate some famous painter. There are three others that get to you by the time you manage to eject the mag and slot a new one. Dead homeowner unless the invaders are completely ignorant of firearms and they think you've got more than 5 rds in there... that is if they don't hear the empty "click" the gun makes the final time the hammer falls. Then they make a mad dash for the outdoors and you live.

Now, scenario #2. You've got a Saiga 12 that's not been converted. Five guys invade your home. You take aim, pull the trigger, take aim, pull the trigger. Repeat three more times. Now you have 5 dead invaders...

Fully auto? I'd rather see that in a rifle with a high cap mag... unless you want to add a high cap mag to the Saiga 12 but then that would break more than a few laws regarding shotguns. That's just my humble opion.

thats why someone needs to make a 25rd drum for the 12ga :p

Bump-fire: Hold the rifle (shotgun) with the left hand on the handguard, with the buttstock held by the right forearm. The right hand is held rigid, forefinger (some prefer the middle finger) bent at 90 degrees and rigid. The thumb of the right hand lies along the hand and forefinger, not behind the pistol grip. To fire, pull the rifle forward so the trigger presses the rigid finger of the right hand, firing the rifle. The recoil thrusts the rifle backwards, pulling the trigger away from the finger and allowing it to reset (release the hammer by the disconnector). The continuing pull of the left hand pulls the trigger into the trigger, firing it again, and continuing until the pull is relaxed, the right arm is relaxed, or the magazine is empty.

With experience, you can learn to vary the rate of fire, a technique not available to the FA firearm. You also learn to relax and watch the bullet strike, allowing you to walk the impact onto the target and keep it there. Experienced users claim to be able to hold on a 55 gal drum at 100 yds, a respectible accuracy for a true FA weapon. For many of the uses of FA fire, bump-firing serves as an adequate if not superior substitute.

packrat: I showed bump-firing to my friend, and he brought up a good point, and suggested that we do what we cant to keep bump-fire info off the net, because as soon as the ATF finds out about bump-firing, then who knows how long it'll be till our "assault rifles" are banned. Not trying to act like a mod, I'm just saying this as someone who's concerned about our rights, but please take that down before "the man" sees it.

*Edited to fix my horrible spelling/grammar/etc.

packrat: I showed bump-firing to my friend, and he brought up a good point, and suggested that we do what we cant to keep bump-fire info off the net, because as soon as the ATF finds out about bump-firing, then who knows how long it'll be till our "assault rifles" are banned. Not trying to act like a mod, I'm just saying this as someone who's concerned about our rights, but please take that down before "the man" sees it.

*Edited to fix my horrible spelling/grammar/etc.

I think the ATF are well aware of Bump Firing. They use every trick they can to make a lot of guns go bang more than once with a single pull of the trigger to trip up some poor slob.

I tried to bump an automatic 12G once, the recoil was much too stiff. It pushed the shotgun a long way back. It just wont work in any 12G is MHO. Thats why it works so well in the AK. Just enough kick but not too much.

I'm a class 2 and I've built a full aut 410 and it's a lot of fun to shoot :small_gri but 410 shell cost to much to shoot a lot :cry_small . Here's a link to a place that built a Saiga12 that really rocks.http://www.colesgunworks.com/

Have built a full auto.410 off the standard semi on the market. Next step is to cut barrel and install AK furniture. It is an easier conversion then the 12ga. since the parts are standard AK47. Have to use 3" cartridges to have it cycle but cheap ammo from Russia keeps it going. Magazines are available in a ten round capacity but have a project to use an excisting magazine aasembly for high cap.
Will post pic if any interest.
And yes it is a registered post sample machine gun. We are a full line C2 and have built AK's and use the weapons for rental and classes.

i wouldnt trust it, probably blow up...more/less.

stick with heavy duty shotguns like strikers, and spas 12.

Spaz 12 is a semi auto version i believe.Dont mess with saiga they are beautiful guns.

I fired a full auto USAS12 with a twenty round drum years ago and the recoil was mild, but its a heavier gun compared to the Saiga, I'm sure a happy switched Saiga 12 would be managible. McM

are spaz12s available for purchase?

are spaz12s available for purchase?
for bucks,, bigguns to,,,,,,,,,,, clinton turned my 350 buy into a $700 investment! its cool but heavy and overly complicated to be really fun,,,,,,,,,,,and there are some engineering flaws that need addressed. You are better off with a saiga would be my guess

thanks.rambo is back it looks like.

nevermind, the tirgger group is different and wont acept AK47 full auto parts...