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Ought Six
01-07-2004, 10:00 PM
Dems Question Plan to Buy Guns for Iraq Police (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107673,00.html)


Fox News
Wednesday, January 07, 2004

WASHINGTON ? Two Democratic senators asked the U.S. occupation authority in Iraq on Wednesday to explain its intended purchase of up to 50,000 AK-47 assault rifles for Iraq security forces, when they said the country is filled with such weapons.

The September solicitation to contractors sought prices for up to 50,000 "brand new, never fired, fixed stock" weapons made in 1987 or later.

"We question whether this is an efficient use of U.S. taxpayer dollars in a country already awash with AK-47s, many of which have been confiscated by coalition forces and are sitting in stockpiles," Sens. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota and Ron Wyden of Oregon wrote L. Paul Bremer III, head of the U.S. governing authority.

The senators cited news reports that the captured weapons are in excellent condition, and said there would be little cost involved to distribute them to security forces.

Wyden and Dorgan said that last summer, the Coalition Provisional Authority purchased tens of thousands of AK-47 rifles and other weapons from dealers in Jordan and other countries.

The senators asked Bremer how many confiscated rifles are currently in U.S. custody and whether they are suitable for use by Iraqi security personnel.

They also asked for the identity of contractors awarded orders so far, the cost of the purchases and the countries of the sellers.

This is not the first time weapons purchases by the governing authority were questioned.

In September, according to The New York Times, the Iraqi Governing Council (search) questioned why the occupation authority had issued a $20 million contract to buy new revolvers and Kalashnikov rifles for the Iraqi police when the U.S. military was confiscating tens of thousands of weapons every month from abandoned arsenals.

Dorgan, in a joint interview with Wyden, said, "The administrator (Bremer) needs to lay out if this is justifiable. There's no evidence they considered using confiscated weapons."

Wyden added, "If the answers are unsatisfactory, the two us will consider going to the Senate floor and offering an amendment" to cut reconstruction funds.

The two senators sponsored an amendment last fall that cut $1.86 billion from an Iraq spending bill, including a $200 million reduction for the purchase of petroleum products. The cuts were retained when President Bush signed the measure.

MRW
01-08-2004, 04:33 PM
well, if they import all the surplus ones over here for Joe American, I'm for it!

But they won't

Anybody up for going garage sale-ing overseas?

Packrat
01-08-2004, 09:31 PM
For once, I agree with the Dems. But why not just quit crushing the captured ones, and use them?

Dems probably want to arm them with M4s.

bpittman
01-09-2004, 05:31 PM
i agree w/ Packrat, thousands upon thousands of these were crushed on tv (maybe for to satisfy the media, who knows)

but maybe they should've thought things thru...

:uhoh_smal

Ivan8883
01-09-2004, 07:20 PM
The adminstration probably wants to grease the palms of the Third World nations like Roumania which will get the contract to send AK's to Iraq. YOu kNow who will pay for these New Ak's(Whne there are plenty in Iraq Now). The US taxpayers . Thats who.

Ought Six
01-09-2004, 07:27 PM
Before captured AKs could be issued, they would have to be checked out by an armorer and test-fired. It may well be cheaped and quicker to just buy new AKs than to set up such a program to go over 50,000 AKs, which are likely from a variety of manufacturers and and in many different configurations. With the grotesque military-run bureaucracy we have governing Iraq, any such program they set up would likely be over-budget, behind schedule and inadequate for the task at hand.

Yes, common sense would dictate that we just provide the local Iraqi commanders with captured AKs, a couple sets of armorer's tools and let them hire ex-Iraqi Army armorers to sort out the weapons; but rememeber, we are dealing with Uncle Sugar and his minions here, and common sense is strictly against US government policy. Both Officer Candidate School and the civil service exam are carefully crafted to weed out any common sense whatsoever, lest that horrifying evil be set loose within the fedgov and destroy it from within. ;^)

eodinert
01-11-2004, 10:15 AM
It would cost far less to use the existing, captured AK's, and there are assloads of them. Of course, they are a mix of chinese, romanian, yugo, iraqi, hungarian, russian and east german manufacture, but who cares. Labor is cheap here, if it took years to check them all it would still cost less.

A bigger, more expensive problem would be to get the iraqis to stop taking the buttstocks off (or sawing them off) because it 'looks cool', and to get the iraqis to make some ammunition that is not total crap.

~eodinert
Mosul, Iraq