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bravo301
11-30-2010, 05:40 PM
This video shows a search warrant served by the Columbia Mo. police department. The cops bust in this guys house in the middle of the night and shoot his two dogs (one a pit bull that was caged in the kitchen and the other a Corgi) with children in the home. it turns out that rather than a big time drug dealer, this guy had a small pipe with some resin in it, a grinder, and what the cops here call "a small amount of marijuana" (meaning less than a few grams).

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Beryl
11-30-2010, 06:27 PM
Cops who yell "Don't move" and "Hands behind your back" at the same time are always amusing.

joedirt1977
11-30-2010, 06:44 PM
This is such bullshit. If you force entry into my house in the middle of the night, I am going to shoot you. I don't care who you say you are. Break down someone's door at oh-dark-thirty, and you almost have to expect it to become a two way firing range. It wasn't in this case, but killing the man's dogs? Is there anymore info on this? Was dude's dog really in a CAGE when they shot it?

lsmurphy
11-30-2010, 06:54 PM
Just relax, it's all good.

Scott

bravo301
11-30-2010, 07:26 PM
This is such bullshit. If you force entry into my house in the middle of the night, I am going to shoot you. I don't care who you say you are. Break down someone's door at oh-dark-thirty, and you almost have to expect it to become a two way firing range. It wasn't in this case, but killing the man's dogs? Is there anymore info on this? Was dude's dog really in a CAGE when they shot it?



id have to think the dog was in his cage when shot only because i know of NO pitbull that hides in the kitchen when somebody beats down the door an thats where the dog got shot ..........if he was loose he would have been shot in the entry way as soon as they opened the door........at the begining of the vid they shoot a dog but then you hear a larger dog barking in the background , i think that was the pit in his cage in the kitchen but cant be sure

Mandaree36
11-30-2010, 08:52 PM
Wasnt this story already posted here some time ago now..

Been said and done to death.

Fundump23
11-30-2010, 08:54 PM
This is again, an old video. Posted on the forum when it was fresh.

joedirt1977
11-30-2010, 11:00 PM
He obviously shouldn't have been using narcotics.

Probably not, though I don't recall the sentence being having your dogs killed.

thumper
12-01-2010, 07:52 AM
He obviously shouldn't have been using narcotics.
Well then, I guess that makes it all ok.

obxned
12-01-2010, 01:02 PM
This kind of Gestopo tactics are totally uncalled for. Endanering the innocent people in the house, cruelly wounding and then killing a man's dogs, and all for a token amount of drugs.

I would not be shocked to later find that the homeowner went around to the cops houses and returned the favor.

joedirt1977
12-01-2010, 01:10 PM
There are better ways for them to have taken him into custody and execute the warrant without sending a fireteam into his house with his kid there. Typical stupidity.

ruckstar
12-01-2010, 01:17 PM
I agree, the dogs should not have been shot however the man still shouldn't have been doing drugs. They found a small amount but they were tipped off and got a warrant which leads me to believe he may have been a little more than a recreational user.


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I agree that he shouldn't have been doing drugs but just because they had a warrant doesn't mean anything. The "tip" may have come from someone that had a grudge for whatever reason.

HankBowman
12-01-2010, 01:33 PM
Fuck the police!

ACAB

madmanmccoy
12-01-2010, 01:37 PM
Amazing they hit what they were shooting at , did it happen to disclose how many mag dumps it took them?

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 01:51 PM
Sit puppy ! Sit!

BANG!

Good boy!

Is this where we cry over a druggie losing his guard dog...

Shall I call the whaaambulance...

Disclaimer: Anyone taking offense to this post can file their complaint by calling 1-800- EAT- SHIT.

bravo301
12-01-2010, 02:00 PM
I agree that he shouldn't have been doing drugs but just because they had a warrant doesn't mean anything. The "tip" may have come from someone that had a grudge for whatever reason.
last year the SPCA got a ''TIP'' about my dog bein viscious an most likely it was from a parent of one of the little retards who like to kick my door or shove shit through the mailbox an run all the while the dog flips out ...anywho the guy came over an met the dog , we joked around , he left but sometimes it doesnt allways end that way when ''TIPS'' are in the equation. another problem is that dogs dont forget shit an i bet deep down he cant wait to get one of those retards inside the yard or somethin but i keep that in mind an limit those oppertunities but NO i wouldnt mind watchin it go down

no big deal to some people but i love my dog an you better have more then just a ''TIP'' if you want to justify killing him......... NATAS ALTOBELLO 155lb yugoslavian dobermann......... friend , companion, protector an most importanly a member of my FAMILY

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt229/bradford1975/tasbyself.jpg

bravo301
12-01-2010, 02:01 PM
heres the best tip ever



MIND YOUR OWN F#$%IN BUISNESS !!!!

veprk5.45
12-01-2010, 02:15 PM
Yup, bunch oh BS.

And anyone that thinks its justifiable can also call the number above.

We got a call/tip about BLANK, then a fucking swat team comes rolling in...For a dime bag,lol, fucking losers. These douche bags need to think about another career.

AR-fifteen,check, mp5's,check,body armor, check, nine officers, check.

Charges filed, 1

Consequences,two dead dogs, a dramatized Wife and kid, and one hella angry occasional toker who can barely afford his habit.

Like I said, fucking losers. I remember a story in the paper years ago, two citys in a joint effort street racing sting spent 400,000 thousand dollars in one night to put a stop to it.

They wrote 40 tickets,towed 6 cars. Way to go,douche bags.

madmanmccoy
12-01-2010, 02:36 PM
Yeah, the geniuses spend however much it costs to fly & maintain the chopper with the infra-red/thermo-graphic search /photo equipment on it ,

fly all over looking for 10 plants in some nitwits backyard, then the mojo commandos rappel into the "grow operation" all camoed out ,body armor,& armed to fight Iraq again,

take 2,000 pics of them tearing 10 plants out of the ground, & next day it's in the paper about a major interdiction of hi grade weed on it's way to the "street",with a "STREET VALUE" of always hi 6 figures to 7figures MINIMUM,
The mojo commandos did it here & got caught taking "CLOWN" shots with the Cargo; it didn't go over too well with the PTB some of them are now working "security" No dogs were harmed in the process of making thier "film"

bravo301
12-01-2010, 02:41 PM
tax dollars at work
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this is an older vid but a good one ....guy tells them theres a dog in the car so cop lets him out ( appears to be yellow lab of some sort) then they shoot the dog ...fast forward to 2:50 , i guess they had to let the dog out in order to handcuff it an read it its rights
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cop stops to ask for directions then shoots dog !
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madmanmccoy
12-01-2010, 03:10 PM
Ever see the videos where they got some guy on the ground, his arms behind his back, thier knees are in his kidneys, & there's like 5 cops on various parts of the guy's anatomy ,
you can practically see the bruises & Bumps growing on him, but they are all screaming: "STOP FIGHTING ,STOP FIGHTING"
Meanwhile this guy's screaming in pain, & hasn't been able to make any kind of a move since they got thier hands on him ,
I don't know if any juries ever see these videos, but nobody with any sense will buy it

bravo301
12-01-2010, 04:04 PM
Ever see the videos where they got some guy on the ground, his arms behind his back, thier knees are in his kidneys, & there's like 5 cops on various parts of the guy's anatomy ,
you can practically see the bruises & Bumps growing on him, but they are all screaming: "STOP FIGHTING ,STOP FIGHTING"
Meanwhile this guy's screaming in pain, & hasn't been able to make any kind of a move since they got thier hands on him ,
I don't know if any juries ever see these videos, but nobody with any sense will buy it
this happened in philly an granted this ''african american'' law abiding citinzen prob did somethin earlier but the cops could give a rats ass that they were bein filmed an besides its common practice here for the city to pay out of court $5,000 minimum per case so im sure he got his check . an the city wonders why its broke , $5,000 sucker punch ??? duh

P.S listen closey i think the cop calls him a pu#$y as he hits him lol ...on a side note i prefer to be pulled over by older cops . its these young fresh out of the acedemy ones that are trouble


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IanMor
12-01-2010, 04:15 PM
Right or wrong, capping dogs and such is not winning them any friends. Friends they may wish they had someday. Folks got long memories when it comes to stuff like this.

HankBowman
12-01-2010, 04:35 PM
My dog's a wuss. I prefer IR cameras and AP mines. :rofl_smal


Molon Labe, "disposable heroes." :evil:

Etek
12-01-2010, 04:51 PM
In some areas cops are ORDERED to shoot EVERY dog they encounter.
They did this just outside of D.C. Shot the Mayor's two dogs.

I'm not talking Pit Bulls in crack dens, I mean Warrants for anything at all.
Yes they shoot the puppies too.

madmanmccoy
12-01-2010, 05:04 PM
Not sure what raheem was carrying that they took but it looks like a little auto when the cop says make sure you put that in the video, Homey was wearing a shemagh too, reason enough in some neighborhoods for a beat down.

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 06:21 PM
Yes yes....hate all LE...

You liked videos....here are some videos.....

There isnt enough band width here for them all..............

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bravo301
12-01-2010, 07:15 PM
I DONT HATE LEO'S but i do hate the ones who go overboard an abuse their powers which appears to happen more often than not. an as far as showing the funerals goes i could really care less UNTIL the same amount of respect and dignity is shown to the people who loose their life or that of a family members at the hands of abusive cop on a power trip and i wont even get into the people who die as a result of a DRUNK off/on duty cop behind the wheel of a vehicle ......... what does the family of those victims get ??? some hush money and 5 mins on the boob tube???? i say the next time a cop dies call the ''whaaambulance'' as you so eloquently put it prior and have the neighbored gather $20,000 an be done with it ............no more state funerals until they take full responabiltiy for their actions an show the abilty to police their own ranks


a percentage of my post is exactly why people hate cops !!

IanMor
12-01-2010, 07:23 PM
I don't hate the cops.
The ones I know personally, I have the greatest respect and admiration for. But it doesn't take a genius to see that some of their operational doctrine is ouot of balance. If you like looking up police funerals on the interwebs, you may have more opportunities to do so if this millitant trend goes unchecked. Just my observation, no glee in my voice.

HankBowman
12-01-2010, 07:46 PM
Live by the sword, die by the sword. And if you get your "reason for being" handed down to you from Congress, the sooner the better.

Don't forget... The government is SUPPOSED to fear the People. Maybe it's time they had more reason to.

bravo301
12-01-2010, 07:54 PM
this happened in philly over the summer and let me just say that a few people got roughed up over this in their search for the so called shooter who apparently never existed in the first place ....well that is before the truth came out but prior is was typical cops lookin for a reason to shoot somebody. tensions were high that week


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HankBowman
12-01-2010, 07:55 PM
Not sure what raheem was carrying that they took but it looks like a little auto when the cop says make sure you put that in the video, Homey was wearing a shemagh too, reason enough in some neighborhoods for a beat down.
You mean like the ones military and contractors wear in Iraq? They are great for keeping hot brass out of your shirt! :small_gri

Besides, his president's name is Barrack Hussein Obama... And the shemagh is more acceptable nowadays than a burning cigarette.

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 09:18 PM
Well hell since we want to post the rare side of the coin vids....I figured there should be some balance.

The thousands that serve daily with respect and dont break the rules never get the nod, or a video...now do they.

Besides a little prick like Bravo21 needs a balance to his usual cops bashing threads..

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 09:21 PM
Fuck the police!

ACAB


Nah it isnt about cop hating...

Incidentally....they never see the axe coming...do they..

HankBowman
12-01-2010, 09:32 PM
Nah it isnt about cop hating...

Incidentally....they never see the axe coming...do they..
It's always bullshit until the boot's on your own neck.

Never forget.


ETA: I've felt the sting before. Most websites pander to the pig. I just don't care because cops are the wolves the sheep need to worry most about. ACAB

Geist762
12-01-2010, 09:41 PM
Cops are supposed to protect and serve.

But no one ever says who that is.

It's not WE THE PEOPLE. We know who WE are, right?

It's not the 14th Amendment people, but they get profiled, right?

They are to protect and serve the STATE....

and ensure a fear of the corporate thuggery, usury, and fleecing.

They are the biggest cartel and enforcer of leftist policies out there.

Now I diferentiate between a peace officer/public servant and a highwayman.

What we have is highwaymen.

They put their masks on to hide their faces, when they are up to no good.

They enforce the laws of a CRIMINAL justice system.

Nuff said?

HankBowman
12-01-2010, 09:47 PM
You just can't perfect perfection.

bravo301
12-01-2010, 09:48 PM
[QUOTE=Mandaree36]The thousands that serve daily with respect and dont break the rules never get the nod, or a video...now do they.

QUOTE] your 100% correct in your statement ......its common knowledge to both people in the field an out that police officers carry with them a sense that they are under appreciated for what they do ( insert whaaambulance here again ) now i attribute this to 2 factors

1- bad work enviorment
2- low pay for most



now it doesnt take a rocket scientist to explaine the link between LASHING OUT and having a sense of UNDER APPRECIATION now does it ?????

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 09:52 PM
It's always bullshit until the boot's on your own neck.

Never forget.


ETA: I've felt the sting before. Most websites pander to the pig. I just don't care because cops are the wolves the sheep need to worry most about. ACAB


So off the wall I had to quote it to immortalize it...

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 09:54 PM
[QUOTE=Mandaree36]The thousands that serve daily with respect and dont break the rules never get the nod, or a video...now do they.

QUOTE] your 100% correct in your statement ......its common knowledge to both people in the field an out that police officers carry with them a sense that they are under appreciated for what they do ( insert whaaambulance here again ) now i attribute this to 2 factors

1- bad work enviorment
2- low pay for most



now it doesnt take a rocket scientist to explaine the link between LASHING OUT and having a sense of UNDER APPRECIATION now does it ?????


Actually I would re check your source...sounds to me like assumption and nothing like common knowledge...

Speaking of knowledge....get some - your talking out your ass....as usual.

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 10:15 PM
This thread isnt worth a shit...

But...

It is great for my post count.

Lets keep playing...I can do this all day, every day...

I will make an interesting observation...I love how Geist whatever is anti LE...when he is Pro nazi.

How does that work one wonders.. Seriously.

Hmm brown shirts and anti jew speak are good - but LE is bad.

Thats pretty messed up....but about right I suspect.

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 10:16 PM
Fuck the police!

ACAB

And what about that pearl of intelligent discussion.

So are you an ex con?

I am generally curious...and since you speak like one.

Well....inquiring minds wonder.

Hey look my post count went up another one.

bravo301
12-01-2010, 10:23 PM
Actually I would re check your source...sounds to me like assumption and nothing like common knowledge...

Speaking of knowledge....get some - your talking out your ass....as usual.


ok well lets just say for arguements sake that i was ''ASSUMING'' that cops are under appreciated and according to you thats talking out of my ass .........ok fine but see theres a problem and ill quote you from earlier for the 2nd time



[Mandaree36]The thousands that serve daily with respect and dont break the rules never get the nod, or a video...now do they.


so is it fair for me to ASSUME that you feel as if cops are under appreciated???

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 10:25 PM
Breaking New Video of LE breaking up Party and breaking the law...


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Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 10:29 PM
ok well lets just say for arguements sake that i was ''ASSUMING'' that cops are under appreciated and according to you thats talking out of my ass .........ok fine but see theres a problem and ill quote you from earlier for the 2nd time



[Mandaree36]The thousands that serve daily with respect and dont break the rules never get the nod, or a video...now do they.


so is it fair for me to ASSUME that you feel as if cops are under appreciated???


I can feel that - but I am awaiting you to show me where LE themselves believe that.

Or even where they care.

I as an intelligent observer can see the disparity - which I was pointing out.

Get it...got it...good.

Oh...and yeah...your assuming again. Seems to be a bad habit of yours....

bigwheel
12-01-2010, 10:33 PM
#1 I like most cops, I like the job they do. Kinda like volunteer fireman, it's
all good until you're up and you don't know shit about fighting fires.

#2 If my dog bit someone I would shoot him myself (unwarranted bite of coarse)
So I am not going to get in a murdering rage over the cops shooting a dog or
two. And since I have never known anyone that has had their dog shot and don't
personally know any cops who have shot someones dog it's a little far removed
from me.

#3 My neighbor is a big young guy about 30. At three in the morning the cops
pound on his door with a warrant. He opens the door, politely, stays calm and
lets them cuff him, they then find out the guy they are after is next door. He
had a good laugh, no harm, made a few friends on the PD. Now he is a large
easy going guy. No reason his attitude won't work for a smaller easy going
guy. ( The gal next door to him built his house, sold it and built one next door,
they were after her boyfriend, legit mistake)

and # 4. You'll reap what you sow. You come in contact with LE with a bad
attitude they'll smell wrong on you and give you the once over.

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 10:39 PM
Now dont go interjecting any logic or intelligence into this thread BW....

They are not after that.

Remember the victim here is a man with drugs in his home, who is also the reason the LE came.

It is the cops fault for coming you see, and for everything that follows.

None of it is the criminals fault....

That is the gist here as anyone can see.

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 10:41 PM
I do reccomend this thread though....

As a way for free post count raises.

Other than that...it is crap.

See how I made a positive out of a negative....

bravo301
12-01-2010, 10:41 PM
I can feel that - but I am awaiting you to show me where LE themselves believe that.

Or even where they care.

I as an intelligent observer can see the disparity - which I was pointing out.

Get it...got it...good.

Oh...and yeah...your assuming again. Seems to be a bad habit of yours....


i understand what your sayin an to be honest i only posted the orriginal vid cause i like dogs, the rest just kind of went with the flow of the conversation as it developed ..............

Mandaree36
12-01-2010, 10:45 PM
i understand what your sayin an to be honest i only posted the orriginal vid cause i like dogs, the rest just kind of went with the flow of the conversation as it developed ..............


I like dogs too.

I also think most people like dogs...unless there is something odd about them (the person that is).

The problem as I see it is this man was reported as a drug dealer. They burst in expecting the worst. Dogs come out, and they expect that, as most drug dealers keep such animals around (and we know why)...and reacted.

I would have tasered the animal myself, but I suppose thats another topic.

Either way...it did not have to happen...but for this man and his drugs....

He is no victim and endangering his family and pets....rests solely on him.

And thats where I am coming from.

Albeit...I am having a little fun with this thread...if for no other reason than I am bored.

Mandaree36
12-02-2010, 12:42 AM
Theirs is a highwayman's profession, where revenue is the game.


7


lol....couldnt come up with anything original eh...

One of the above posts wants his line back.

36

partymember
12-02-2010, 12:49 AM
can't tell you how warm and fuzzy i feel when i reflect on the fact that there exists an occupation which allows men (and women, don't get me started) to stop me, search me, arrest me, and possibly throw me in county for doing something (whatever it may be, legal or not) that i made a conscious decision to do.

the philosophical ramifications of this realization are profoundly disturbing

Mandaree36
12-02-2010, 02:44 AM
I cannot tell you how warm and fuzzy it makes me feel to know that there are assholes out there whom think they are somehow entitled to do as they please...illegally..

Those that presume freedom means they can act as they choose and subject others, unwillingly, to the possible negative or lethal ramifications of their actions.

One must learn in this country to accept the masses of the self-entitled and the drain/impact they have on others. That is the message it seems.

And I cannot convey how truly fucking pathetic that is.

joedirt1977
12-02-2010, 06:45 AM
I like dogs too.

I also think most people like dogs...unless there is something odd about them (the person that is).

The problem as I see it is this man was reported as a drug dealer. They burst in expecting the worst. Dogs come out, and they expect that, as most drug dealers keep such animals around (and we know why)...and reacted.

I would have tasered the animal myself, but I suppose thats another topic.

Either way...it did not have to happen...but for this man and his drugs....

He is no victim and endangering his family and pets....rests solely on him.

And thats where I am coming from.

Albeit...I am having a little fun with this thread...if for no other reason than I am bored.

Mandaree, let me start by saying I agree with nearly everything you've posted in this thread...untill the post I quoted above. The police had other options, safer options that wouldn't have led to shooting the family dog in front of a 7 year old boy. They seem to have had limited intelligence on the target house, and when you are going in 7 deep, or however many they had, with submachine guns, that is just fucking INEXCUSABLE. They could have easily watched his house, picked him up when he left, and executed the warrant without putting an entire family in danger. Furthermore, your logic, which has been sound up to this point, is a little flawed here. He had drugs in the house, yes. Wrong? Yes. But to take your line of reasoning here to its logical conlusion, I guess if the cops had kicked the door in, killed his mother, and sodomized his wife while making his son video tape it, that would be his fault because, well, he had weed in his house. So, since he is breaking the law, he just gets what he gets?

joedirt1977
12-02-2010, 06:49 AM
Also, before anyone accuses me of hating cops: my father has been a cop for 35 years. He is the chief of a small agency here in northern KY. My brother has been a cop for 10 years. I've met quite a few good police officers in my life. I've also met quite a few who never, ever should have been given a badge. I know because some cops are bad, that doesn't mean we should view them all as asses. Conversely, let's not make them all out to be paragons of virture that many of them are not.

IanMor
12-02-2010, 07:14 AM
Either way...it did not have to happen...but for this man and his drugs....

He is no victim and endangering his family and pets....rests solely on him.

And thats where I am coming from.

Albeit...I am having a little fun with this thread...if for no other reason than I am bored.
There it is then. Exactly why I'm not all jammed up about this.
When I was young and dumb, and full of _ _ _. I did stuff I would not dream of doing now. I am a father, a husband (some might argue about how well I accomplish these 2 things) a small business owner, a gun owner. I constantly ask myself "is this indulgence worth risking it all?". The answer is no. No illegall emma-gees, no drugs, no affairs, no speeding tickets, no credit cards, no cosigned loans, no drinking problems. Life is a series of choices and freedoms. With every choice and freedom comes a responsibility. The man with the dead dogs chose poorly.

bravo301
12-02-2010, 08:59 AM
[QUOTE=Mandaree36]He is no victim and endangering his family and pets....rests solely on him.

And thats where I am coming from.

QUOTE] so lets say your in the car with me (im driving) and a cop pulls us over ...........i get into a heated disussion about the ticket he's writing me and end it with a good ole '' FUCK THE POLICE'' then we BOTH get drug out of the car an get our ass's beat and btw you had your dog with you in the backseat an they shot him

question !


who are you going to sue in court ? me or the police dept?????? now by your logic my actions ''CAUSED'' the beating that led to your life being endangered and the death of your dog so here i go ''ASSUMING'' again but wouldnt you sue me cause after all everything rest soley on me right cause i made a bad decission ?

bravo301
12-02-2010, 09:03 AM
There it is then. Exactly why I'm not all jammed up about this.
.


monkey see monkey do

bravo301
12-02-2010, 09:06 AM
now its possible to sue a second party if an when their actions caused you harm but now we have a 3rd party involved .... a trained professional party and in laymens terms THEIR SUPPOSED TO FUKIN KNOW BETTER

bravo301
12-02-2010, 09:18 AM
i can see mandy sittin there on the curb with a busted lip an swollen eye sayin shit like


its cool man i can get another dog its not your fault. he should have never said that ................ nah nah i dont need an AMBERLAMPS ill just walk home, all the while holding your eye :laugh_sma :laugh_sma

bravo301
12-02-2010, 09:39 AM
heres another scenerio for all you '' it was the druggies fault ''


lets say your DAUGHTER is datting a guy who sells weed on the side behind her back ( i know ...i know ....sounds crazy but happens all the time) an the cops get a TIP an decide to raid the house an in the proccess they shoot HER as she was comming out of the bathroom with a hair dryer . oh btw no weed was found in the house , they got a bad TIP


let me guess its the druggie fault again ....100% his fault or maybe its the hairdryers fault??? immigane that conversation over dinner with the wife ''I TOLD YOU NOT TO BUY HER THAT HAIRDRYER'' ............ at what point are the police held accountable ???

IanMor
12-02-2010, 09:52 AM
I have enjoyed your hypotheticals, Bravo. It still does not convince me otherwise that 90% of the breaks or problems in life come from the choice you make in life. I have repeatedly said in this thread that I don't like the millitant tactics used by modern LEOs. But the simple answer is, you don't want your head busted and your dogs shot, dont use.

Edited becasue I posted before coffee..... Sorry.

bravo301
12-02-2010, 09:55 AM
I have enjoyed your hypotheticals, Bravo. It still does not convince me that 90% of the breaks or problems in life come from the choice you make in life. I have repeatedly said in this thread that I don't like the millitant tactics used by modern LEOs. But the simple answer is, you don't want your head busted and your dogs shot, dont use.


100% agreed there , its simple math follow a straight line and youll get to where you want to go in one piece ...im just tryin to figure out the entire responsibilty pyramid thats all

bravo301
12-02-2010, 10:08 AM
obviously this girl was pretty drunk an we can all agree that thats a bad decission on her part but so far the logic in this thread says that whatever happens next is ok because she shouldnt have been that drunk in the first place, BLAME SOLEY REST ON HER SHOULDERS ....... that logic can also be found in the rapist handbook


rapist handbook:

1- SHE WANTED IT
2- SHE WAS DRUNK SO ITS COOL
3- SHE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN WEARIN THAT SHORT OF A SKIRT TO A PARTY


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bigwheel
12-02-2010, 10:49 AM
I have enjoyed your hypotheticals, Bravo. It still does not convince me that 90% of the breaks or problems in life come from the choice you make in life. I have repeatedly said in this thread that I don't like the millitant tactics used by modern LEOs. But the simple answer is, you don't want your head busted and your dogs shot, dont use.

EXACTLY! Raise your daughter right and the chances of her being out with a
drug dealer are slim. She'll more than likely be with a church group up skiing for
the weekend. Choose your friends wisely. I smell weed and booze on a lot of
guys that fish where I do. I know their names, about where some of them live
because of conversation, they know nothing about me. I am polite, friendly and
helpful. I am not stupid and, as Ben Franklin said, "lay down with a dog, you'll
come up with fleas". Put some thought into your choices in life and don't let
life just happen to you. It's not all controllable but most of it is.

As far as Bravo's video. It exonerates the whole system. The girl was a bit
of a slut or whore, The cops involved were punished pretty severely by their
own.

veprk5.45
12-02-2010, 02:37 PM
They were entering a known(found a dime bag lol) drug dealers house and didnt know what they would encounter so they brought the hole arsenal. You need to have info, get the fucking info, the GOSH damn intel! WTF.

So, someone is doing something illegal and the cops make a mistake but its the criminal fault cause if he wouldnt have committed the crime the cops wouldnt be there to make the mistake. Get the fuck outa here with that illogical BS.

Accountability for everyone but us!

veprk5.45
12-02-2010, 02:42 PM
And," if you raise your daughter right it wont happen"?

Is that a alarm I hear, Time to WAKE UP

partymember
12-02-2010, 02:50 PM
I cannot tell you how warm and fuzzy it makes me feel to know that there are assholes out there whom think they are somehow entitled to do as they please...illegally..

if i'm not hurting anybody else, i absolutely have every right to do WHATEVER I WANT. And i do. Because i can.

bravo301
12-02-2010, 03:23 PM
And," if you raise your daughter right it wont happen"?

Is that a alarm I hear, Time to WAKE UP



whats that saying about the preachers daughter?

IanMor
12-02-2010, 04:04 PM
She was hot.... I'd bang her. Did you notice on the computer monitor in front of the cop at the desk, they already uploaded the close up of her mouse? Yeah, they forgot to pixillate that one.

Mandaree36
12-02-2010, 09:50 PM
obviously this girl was pretty drunk an we can all agree that thats a bad decission on her part but so far the logic in this thread says that whatever happens next is ok because she shouldnt have been that drunk in the first place, BLAME SOLEY REST ON HER SHOULDERS ....... that logic can also be found in the rapist handbook


rapist handbook:

1- SHE WANTED IT
2- SHE WAS DRUNK SO ITS COOL
3- SHE SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN WEARIN THAT SHORT OF A SKIRT TO A PARTY





Not even a nearly lineal line of thought.

A rapist can not justify his actions because of the actions of his victims period.

Apples and oranges...

Mandaree36
12-02-2010, 09:52 PM
if i'm not hurting anybody else, i absolutely have every right to do WHATEVER I WANT. And i do. Because i can.


Only problem is those who are used to doing as they please (whatever they want)...do stupid things...that eventually spill out into other peoples lives.

You can take that to the bank.

Mandaree36
12-02-2010, 09:59 PM
But to take your line of reasoning here to its logical conlusion, I guess if the cops had kicked the door in, killed his mother, and sodomized his wife while making his son video tape it, that would be his fault because, well, he had weed in his house. So, since he is breaking the law, he just gets what he gets?

Now that sounds like a party baby...

lol

No way I couldnt say something to that off the wall shite.

I mean really now...everything but pissing on the toilet seat eh...

partymember
12-02-2010, 10:08 PM
Only problem is those who are used to doing as they please (whatever they want)...do stupid things...that eventually spill out into other peoples lives.

You can take that to the bank.

sometimes. Although the phrase "whatever you please" doesn't mean destructive behavior in and of itself.

cops have shitty, difficult, stressful jobs. That is due in large part to the proliferation of idiotic, unconstitutional laws which infringe on the constitutional freedoms of all men. Cops waste obscene amounts of time and money and risk both themselves and the lives and freedoms of other citizens in pursuit of violators of unconstitutional laws. This is the fault of politicians, not the police themselves. Of course, one is always responsible for one's actions and this holds true even for Law Enforcement when enforcing unconstitutional laws.

the line IS drawn somewhere, and it is when the actions of one man violate the freedoms of another.

as it should be. On that point, i think, we can agree.

Mandaree36
12-02-2010, 10:12 PM
sometimes. Although the phrase "whatever you please" doesn't mean destructive behavior in and of itself.

cops have shitty, difficult, stressful jobs. That is due in large part to the proliferation of idiotic, unconstitutional laws which infringe on the constitutional freedoms of all men. Cops waste obscene amounts of time and money and risk both themselves and the lives and freedoms of other citizens in pursuit of violators of unconstitutional laws. This is the fault of politicians, not the police themselves. Of course, one is always responsible for one's actions and this holds true even for Law Enforcement when enforcing unconstitutional laws.

the line IS drawn somewhere, and it is when the actions of one man violate the freedoms of another.

as it should be. On that point, i think, we can agree.


I can dig that to a large degree.

partymember
12-02-2010, 10:14 PM
I can dig that to a large degree.

:)

azurevirus
12-02-2010, 10:49 PM
Just what exactly were the dogs packing..45's?..12 ga pumps..those crazy AK assault rifles?! what was the throwdown weapon

madmanmccoy
12-03-2010, 07:42 AM
I'm glad that when I was a kid, I got to see what real cops are & how they handle things, my Dad was a member of the Motorcycle & Mounted Squad JCPD, he patrolled one of the toughest beats on the East coast with a Harley, & a 6 shot .38spl. S&W , & a Professional Attitude,
He used to laugh at the "new breed" & say "They wouldn't make it past morning roll call & inspection"

He shot it out with bank robbers , broke his back falling off a 10 foot fence chasing car thieves in the pouring rain,& went back on MC Patrol later, caught a murderer hiding under a parked car ,when the whole force was looking for him, chased "H. Rap brown" across the roof tops during the 60s riots { now this thug is out & committing crimes under a muslim name} ,pulled a family of 5 out of thier burning home, saved a 8year old from drowning in the city reservoir, & the other Officers all had similar carrers , there was no bragging, no holier than thou ,I'm better than you ,above the law stuff you see today,
There was no bluff either, when one of those guys said something ,That was IT, & they weren't going to tell you twice either.

These were real Professionals, all WW2 Combat Vets,
Not like the skinheaded wannabe brownshirts you run into today

IanMor
12-03-2010, 07:51 AM
McCoy,
Yeah that's a lot like the cops I remember when I was a kid. No greater friends, no more fearsome an enemy. Men among men. I miss those guys.

HankBowman
12-03-2010, 10:57 AM
Yes, Mandy. You figured me out. I must be a criminal because no decent human-being would EVER see a jack-booted thug as a tyrant!:rolleyes:


Now instead of defending the 99.999553% of LE that are drunk, overzealous, shitbag bureaucrats, why not hunt them down like some 80 year old fugitive and bring THEM to justice?

Oh, that's right! Corruption reigns and ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS because only a bastard would be a cop, today.


Bottom line, if they don't tread on me, I won't feel the need to blow off their heads with my Saiga-12. Pretty simple, eh?

I love logic.

joedirt1977
12-03-2010, 11:05 AM
Not even a nearly lineal line of thought.

A rapist can not justify his actions because of the actions of his victims period.

Apples and oranges...

But that is the EXACT type of logic you've used. Had dude not been smoking weed, his dogs would be alive. Same EXACT logic.

HankBowman
12-03-2010, 11:13 AM
But that is the EXACT type of logic you've used. Had dude not been smoking weed, his dogs would be alive. Same EXACT logic.

Boooya!


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madmanmccoy
12-03-2010, 01:22 PM
McCoy,
Yeah that's a lot like the cops I remember when I was a kid. No greater friends, no more fearsome an enemy. Men among men. I miss those guys.
That pretty much sums it up, thank You ,Ian
I remember when they all had pretty much retired & they used to come up here & stay at our house for a couple weeks or so, the stories I used to hear, I wish to God I'd been old enough, & smart enough to write them all down or record them somehow, thier Kind willnot be seen by us again that's for certain,
I was Pallbearer to some of those Men, including my Dad, & I'll tell you they left thier Mark on whoever they spent time with ,I miss them terribly
They used to get together with Officers from the NYPD ,even after they all retired , it was a retired NYPD Detective that taught me how to drive tractor trailers , so I could get my Class"A" CDL & how to run some of the HVY EQUipT. I ran when I was working OIL CO. Construction,

The Police from NYC had some really wild stories too, one used to keep a scrapbook ,kind of record , he was decorated MANY times over, , I was pretty young when I saw it ,but I knew I was looking at History in my hand,
He met my Dad at one of the Police firing ranges, he was there for a visit & shooting his .44 yeah he carried a .44 sometimes,

They were telling war stories, & my Dad said he was telling about invading France , & how the Germans had hit this LST, pretty hard & it was on fire & everybody was jumping off, when this Detective said : "You mean this one, ?"

'& pulled a picture out of his wallet, he was on the LST as my Dad was already on the beach watching from where they were trying to break thru & get inland! Can you imagine?

veprk5.45
12-03-2010, 02:09 PM
Holly fuck, I just made the mistake of watching the vid again. Absolutely disgusting. I shouldnt have watched it, now Im all mad as hell.

Those mother fuckers will get theres!Thats not a threat, I just like to believe theres consequences for that kinda of shit.Maybe a taste of there own medicine would open there eyes.

You shit on my rights with a man made law, and shoot my dog.

Make sure you practice piggy, keep your ar clean and your head on a swivel, cause one day you peice of shit, a real man will come looking for you!

Mandaree36
12-03-2010, 07:22 PM
But that is the EXACT type of logic you've used. Had dude not been smoking weed, his dogs would be alive. Same EXACT logic.


No it isnt - you can say it is all day....but it is not..

Mandaree36
12-03-2010, 07:23 PM
Holly fuck, I just made the mistake of watching the vid again. Absolutely disgusting. I shouldnt have watched it, now Im all mad as hell.

Those mother fuckers will get theres!Thats not a threat, I just like to believe theres consequences for that kinda of shit.Maybe a taste of there own medicine would open there eyes.

You shit on my rights with a man made law, and shoot my dog.

Make sure you practice piggy, keep your ar clean and your head on a swivel, cause one day you peice of shit, a real man will come looking for you!



LMAO

Real men...Guess that leaves you out....

Mandaree36
12-03-2010, 07:24 PM
Yes, Mandy. You figured me out. I must be a criminal because no decent human-being would EVER see a jack-booted thug as a tyrant!:rolleyes:


Now instead of defending the 99.999553% of LE that are drunk, overzealous, shitbag bureaucrats, why not hunt them down like some 80 year old fugitive and bring THEM to justice?

Oh, that's right! Corruption reigns and ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS because only a bastard would be a cop, today.


Bottom line, if they don't tread on me, I won't feel the need to blow off their heads with my Saiga-12. Pretty simple, eh?

I love logic.

Your an idiot - your own posts prove that...

Dont like cops...then man the fuck up and step up to them or stfu....

Mandaree36
12-03-2010, 07:25 PM
I love this thread - it is an island of amusement in a sea of boring....

veprk5.45
12-03-2010, 07:52 PM
LMAO

Real men...Guess that leaves you out....

You get a D for effort on that one Mandy lol. I know you can do better

This shit just pisses me off and was venting. Theres multiple different ways this could have been handled as Im sure your aware but I think thats already been touched on.

Man or not, at least I can say I never murdered another mans dog, or possibly traumatized a child. Oh well, I know you get touchy when it comes LE related threads and thats fine with me, its a thankless Job and all that.

panzertruppe
12-03-2010, 08:30 PM
Support your local Police..

Beat yourself up...

Laffed my ass off at this one the other day on a car...

This should stir the pot some Mandee...

panzertruppe

Mandaree36
12-03-2010, 08:49 PM
You get a D for effort on that one Mandy lol. I know you can do better

This shit just pisses me off and was venting. Theres multiple different ways this could have been handled as Im sure your aware but I think thats already been touched on.

Man or not, at least I can say I never murdered another mans dog, or possibly traumatized a child. Oh well, I know you get touchy when it comes LE related threads and thats fine with me, its a thankless Job and all that.


lol well it is friday......

:D



And no reason such a thing wouldnt piss a guy off - poor planning causes poor execution and results in poor outcomes...and the senseless waste of life.

Only by the grace of god did it not end even more poorly...

Mandaree36
12-03-2010, 08:51 PM
Support your local Police..

Beat yourself up...

Laffed my ass off at this one the other day on a car...

This should stir the pot some Mandee...

panzertruppe


http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm156/NJResQ25/Bad_cop1.jpg

HankBowman
12-04-2010, 10:15 AM
We do not ask for your poor or your hungry.
We do not want your sick and tired.
It is your corrupt we claim.
It is your evil that will be sought by us.
With every breath we shall hunt them down.
Each day we will spill their blood.
‘Till it rains down from the skies


The sequel sucked ass! At least in the first, faggot or not, the Fed was a male.

Talk about "sssssssssssymbolism." ERA = Eroded Rationale Anyone?


I have eight notches, Mandy (oh you came and you gave without taking...). How 'bout you?

veprk5.45
12-04-2010, 02:29 PM
the sequel was completely different then the first movie.

They should have never tried to replace willem dafoe's character. Coolest fag ive ever seen on the big screen.

Mandaree36
12-04-2010, 07:13 PM
The sequel sucked ass! At least in the first, faggot or not, the Fed was a male.

Talk about "sssssssssssymbolism." ERA = Eroded Rationale Anyone?


I have eight notches, Mandy (oh you came and you gave without taking...). How 'bout you?


How about me....

Is that you....

Is that you John Wayne.................

HankBowman
12-04-2010, 08:52 PM
How about me....

Is that you....

Is that you John Wayne.................

Well, I dunno, pilgrim. Let me grab a yardstick, take a quick measurement and get back to you.

Meanwhile, pour me a Johnny Blue and roll me a blunt.

Geist762
12-05-2010, 11:19 PM
All i am saying, reguardless of the dog situation.....

There are 2 jurisdictions.

God's and Mans.

Let it be on Earth as it is in Heaven.


The collective is not the authority.