WTK-Shipping a kit and flat together? Can I?

I have a complete kit that I will not be building up. To go with it, I also have an unbent flat, and complete FCG.

If I sell, can I legally ship them all to the same person in the same box? Or will I run into issues?

Mr Fixit

Yeah it shouldn't be a problem - a flat is not considered to be a firearm/receiver IIRC and the parts are just parts, of course.

Concerning AK's, until that flat has been bent it's just a sheet of metal.


t

I have heard concerns of this before.....I have no statute to stand on..... but I would avoid it.

I have heard concerns of this before.....I have no statute to stand on..... but I would avoid it.

I have also heard problems w/ doing so. I think in some states you cant?
Leave it up to the buyer.

I have heard concerns of this before.....I have no statute to stand on..... but I would avoid it.


Why?

t

I have also heard problems w/ doing so. I think in some states you cant?
Leave it up to the buyer.


Name one single state.

t

I live In New York and have had kits shipped with flats before. The Flats are just as it is, a flat piece of metal.

SHIP AWAY m8.

#1 a flat aint a gun reciever
#2 99.9% of "gun people" wouldn't know what it was for if ya stuck it in their forhead

#3 go for it!

a flat is not a firearm.

What is it about this fact that leaves some people so confused?

Where there is an issue, is if a licensed manufacturer sells a finished receiver and a parts kit to the same person, ATF arbitrarily (as in, not supported by law) that this is the same as selling a newly manufactured firearm and is therefore subject to federal excise tax.

A new receiver by itself is not taxable - while it is a "firearm" under federal law for defining a weapon, it is not a "firearm" for tax purposes. A parts kit by itself is not taxable either. Together, they are.

Irrelevant to your situation, but possibly the root of some of the misinformation.

Its grey and depends on who you ask..like alot of firearm issues. (I think your ok in doing so, but..)
whats the postage on a flat sent alone/seperate..maybe $6-$7. priroty mail..seems a small price to pay for peace of mind eitherway 'eh.
Yoda
There is no grey in this instance. Parts are chunks of metal, flats are chunks of metal. Neither one concerns the ATF or anyone else.

Name one single state.

t

I wanna say NJ. I just remember someone(Don't know which forum/I'm a member on a bunch) but bought a ak kit off gunbroker that came with a receiver flat, etc.. And couldn't have the receiver flat sent to him?

The only issue I can even think of in this situation is Washington state (there may be more?) outlaws the possession of "machine gun parts". The autosear at least has to be removed before shipping there.

TO EVERYBODY POSTING STUFF THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DO NOT PUT IT ON HERE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, I AM A LICENSED MANUFACTURER OF FIREARMS AND HAVE TO KEEP ON TOP OF ALL OF THESE KIND OF LAWS AND I WILL GUARANTEE THERE IS NO KIND OF BS LAW PREVENTING YOU FROM SHIPPING A KIT WITH A FLAT, THE FLAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING UNTIL IT IS BENT, SO PLEASE DON'T POST AVOID IT, OR I HAVE HEARD OF SOMEONE HAVING PROBLEMS AS ALL OF THAT IS STRICTLY FICTION, AS FAR AS THE FIRE CONTROL GROUP GOES THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM EITHER EXCEPT FOR NEW YORK AS THEY HAVE LAWS AGAINST FULL AUTO PARTS, AS FAR AS ANYWHERE ELSE NOBODY HAS STATE LAWS AGAINST IT BUT SOME LOCAL LAWS APPLY IN SOME CITIES, BUT THAT IS ON THE BUYER AND NOT THE SHIPPER UNLESS YOU HAVE A FFL THEN FFL HAVE TO KNOW AND CHECK INTO LOCAL LAWS WHEREVER THEY ARE SHIPPING, I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH PLEASE DON'T PUT MISLEADING INFO OUT HERE AND FILL PEOPLES HEADS FULL OF STUFF THAT IS NOT TRUE IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT...., but I can turn off my caps! Just kidding raydel I just could not stop myself.

NO PROBLEM, just wanted it to stand out as I was tired of reading through the response and half of them were completely wrong:)

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT...., but I can turn off my caps! Just kidding raydel I just could not stop myself.

My ears hurt and my *ss is chapped! LOL!

But good for you Raydel! If someone doesn't know EXACTLY what they are talking about - they shouldn't. Especially not legal issues like this.

A piece of sheet metal - is a piece of sheet metal. No matter how you cut it. And a part is a part - not a firearm.

They get shipped all over the US by companies of all shapes and sizes. Everyday. Sportsmans Guide? They ship them (PPSH43 parts kit). Atlantic Fiearms? They ship them (Egyptian, Bulgarian, Romanian AK47 parts kit). Military Gun Supply (a whole page of ak's, smgs, machine guns)? They ship them. Need I go on?

There are national companies you can buy a machine gun kit from that are so big they come on steel wheels!

Wow a real manufactor..caps off is the button that, ironically enough, says Caps Lock....hmmmm

A piece of sheet metal - is a piece of sheet metal. No matter how you cut it. And a part is a part - not a firearm.

They get shipped all over the US by companies of all shapes and sizes. Everyday. Sportsmans Guide? They ship them (PPSH43 parts kit). Atlantic Fiearms? They ship them (Egyptian, Bulgarian, Romanian AK47 parts kit). Military Gun Supply (a whole page of ak's, smgs, machine guns)? They ship them. Need I go on?

There are national companies you can buy a machine gun kit from that are so big they come on steel wheels!

Ya, but how many of those come w/o a barrel? A barrel is just a steel pipe w/ grooves in it. And there's limitations on those. I guess I should have said it was his local law, and not his state law. Also, manufactures knowing the law is not true most of the times. I bought a receiver a while back, and had to send it back because I was under 21. I didn't know the law changed, nor did the company(Even though it changed 5 months ago) I bought it from(which is a reputable company)

Ya, but how many of those come w/o a barrel? A barrel is just a steel pipe w/ grooves in it. And there's limitations on those. I guess I should have said it was his local law, and not his state law. Also, manufactures knowing the law is not true most of the times. I bought a receiver a while back, and had to send it back because I was under 21. I didn't know the law changed, nor did the company(Even though it changed 5 months ago) I bought it from(which is a reputable company)


The barrel ban is for importation into the US from a foreign country. It has NOTHING to do with state law. I don't know where you were since the barrel ban. But no one has stopped selling or shipping their kits that include barrels. And there are hundreds of thousands of them in the US.

But that isn't the point. The point is stop scaring people into thinking no one can ship a flat with a kit. Just because some municipality (that no one can find) has a (rumored) problem with it.

Know the law in your area. And unless you know it - don't advise anyone. For or against doing anything. All it does it get more people in trouble by spreading erroneous misinformation.

Thanks moak for stating that fact about the barrels, he is absolutely correct, barrels have nothing to do with what state they are going too, it has to do with importation and our wonderful old president Clinton who passed that law and then the ATF for slowly getting around to enforcing it, as for the guy who bought a receiver that had to get shipped back you should clarify you facts a bit, there is a big difference between selling a receiver and a flat, a flat is not a receiver until you bend it and I can sell flats to a 3 year old if you want too, once bent can only be sold to someone over 21 because there is nothing to stop you from building a pistol and that is why complete receivers have to go to someone over 21, and yes I am a 07 manufacturer and a FFL and as someone said we do screw up sometimes, but I am perfect HA HA, no we are all human and we all screw up sometimes but I run a business on gunbroker selling these exact parts all the time and full auto parts and have to keep a close eye on changing laws and even though I may miss a new law for a couple of months I try to stay on top of them, BUT WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND DO MAKE MISTAKES

A flat is a piece of sheet metal, nothing more.

The parts are just that... parts.

Ship the damn thing.

TO EVERYBODY POSTING STUFF THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DO NOT PUT IT ON HERE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT,

**** AS FAR AS THE FIRE CONTROL GROUP GOES THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM EITHER EXCEPT FOR NEW YORK AS THEY HAVE LAWS AGAINST FULL AUTO PARTS, AS FAR AS ANYWHERE ELSE NOBODY HAS STATE LAWS ****


I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH PLEASE DON'T PUT MISLEADING INFO OUT HERE AND FILL PEOPLES HEADS FULL OF STUFF THAT IS NOT TRUE IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!



I agree. Washington state late says this:



9.41.190. Unlawful firearms - Exceptions.
(1) It is unlawful for any person to manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or have in possession or under control, any machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or any part designed and intended soley and exclusively for use in a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or to assemble or repair any machine gun, shortbarreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle.

The only issue I can even think of in this situation is Washington state (there may be more?) outlaws the possession of "machine gun parts". The autosear at least has to be removed before shipping there.

The Kernel was quite correct.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.190


and more specifically


http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.220

I know you probably don't want to be a test case, but the law is so poorly written as to be unenforceable if you find an attorney who isn't an idiot.

"Solely and exclusively" means if you can find one semiauto with a safety sear then its not a prohibited machinegun part - I can think of several off the top of my head.

Name one single state.

t

I wanna say NJ. I just remember someone(Don't know which forum/I'm a member on a bunch) but bought a ak kit off gunbroker that came with a receiver flat, etc.. And couldn't have the receiver flat sent to him?



Sorry, with all due respect, I'm not buyin' that story.

t

Sorry, with all due respect, I'm not buyin' that story.

t

Me either, Trueno. Amazes me how these guys can drop in with 10 posts, act like they know everything, and completely disregard the posts of those that have been doing this for years and years.

And I'm not talking about myself. But I least have the sense to respect the knowledge of those that should know. Not saying you should have blind faith in whatever you read on the internet. But this one is so clear cut it's ridiculous.

Heck, when ya think about it, my bad too for posting. para45 said everything there was that needed sayin'.


So mr fixit, what kind've kit did ya sell?

t