PSL "thin barrel?" lets see

Is the PSL barrel really that thin?
I ask "How much heavier is the barrel on the full sized Dragunov rifle vs the PSL"? One gentleman on the net , that has both, says they are the same size. If that be the case could Drags have tiny barrel syndrome too! I mic'ed my PSL and my M39 plus my 91/30's. For the majority of the barrel the PSL mic's .600". The 91/30's the same .600". The M30 heavy "B" barrel .630". Now if the barrel diameter of the PSL is a weakness then the barrel of a 91/30 sniper should also be a major problem. It isn't. The M39 is noted for it's excellent accuracy but is only .030" larger than the PSL and 91/30. I am making an assumption but I believe my PSL can shoot as well as a 91/30 sniper. I feel that if you shoot your PSL at the same rate and with the same care you fire your 91/30 snipers you can get the same result. I can get under 1 1/2" groups all day long at 100m with the PSL if I take my time. Before you sneer at that 1 1/2" be advised that's only resting on a rolled up blanket or pack not a factory bench rest.
I do know that I, like alot of folks, fire my semi-autos much more rapidly than any bolt guns. Could the inaccuracy reported of the PSL just be caused by fast finger syndrome? I think so, along with poor choice of ammo.
Anyone have difinitive proof that the PSL suffers from too thin or small of a barrel diameter? Could it again be all the negative hype spread on the net. Just look at all the pictures on the net of the PSL's destroyed by heavy ammo :uhoh_smal . One person makes a claim that the PSL is inaccurate because it's the barrel, then everyone that doesn't get steller groups has a crutch. "It's not me, it's the thin barrel."
Seriously if I can do excellent shooting with the PSl so can anyone that can shoot even resonably well. It's not the barrel...............Mike

Generally speaking it's said the groups open up when the barrel gets hot... So it seems to me that "IF" we are making a comparison between the PSL and the 91/30 or even the M39 the rate of fire is the BIG factor..

Obviously emptying a 5 rd Mag in either bolt gun, then loading another 5 and doing it again is gonna take a lot longer then throwing 10 rds down range with the PSL..

If there is a degredation of accuracy from the heated barrel in the PSL I suspect duplicating that same rate of fire with the bolt guns would cause the same issue..

I know I put 5 rds of H/B through one of my M39's yesterday about as fast as I could work the action and get back on target and the gun did indeed get pretty hot.. Not saying the groups went to shit because of it but it might be a good thing to test?

So I think YES lack of finger control may be the issue if one really exsists, and AMMO prolly plays into it as well.. For me it's a mute issue/point anyway because my days of just throuwing ammo down range are long gone.. I rarely load 10 rds in the PSL, and just shoot controlled aimed fire..

Not knowing all the real details of the PSL's design and it's specific intended role in battle (can prolly look it up though) I would "think" it was issued for sniping/targets of opportunity if you will but not intended for sustained rapid fire.. Guessing the 10 rd mag was there "in case" you needed it..

PSL is a 1-2MOA gun. It just is what it is. 1.5" at 100 yards out of a semi is nothing to sneer at either, especially if you can replicate it reliably.

I have been on the fence about chopping my barrel...

Does the PSL have a thin barrel? I suppose it could be relative. As in compared to what? If the question was comparatively speaking does the PSL have an abnormally skinny barrel? The answer would usually be yes. But I personally don't care. The rifle serves the purpose it was designed to serve. When compared to almost any other 30 caliber rifle You will see the barrel is pretty dang skinny. Another great way to get this picture is to simply put one 7.62x54r bullet next to Your barrel. This will give You a rough idea of just how skinny it is. My experience has been similar to others. When I get on the trigger and dump mags, the groups open up real quick! But by taking my time I can keep them pretty close.

The PSL is a Romanian rifle I suppose We all know this but some may not understand Romania is and has been very poor. My supervisor is Romanian, in fact He lived 2 mileS from the Cugir arsenal and put time in for vocational training in high school. I mentioned this before but when I told to Him I was purchasing a Romanian rifle His first question was why??? He said We smashed them together with mallets!!!!

skinny barrel and all, I love mine!!!!!
:wink_smal

PSL accuracy is heavily dependent on ammo because it seems each individual rifle has a country preference. Some like Russian, some like Czech, some like Bulgarian, some like 7N1...although I have never heard of a PSL with a preference to Albanian.

I have been on the fence about chopping my barrel...

Personally I see no advantage to that.. It won't make the barrel any thicker and I can't see how ballisticaly you would gain anything at all..
You just end up with a Shorter SKINNY barrel??

I think a shorter barrel, while still skinny, would have much less flex and *should* be more accurate. Look at some of the vids of PSLs firing in slomo. Hot or not, the barrel really whips around. I'd like to try an 18" barrel or so on one of my PSLs.

Personally I see no advantage to that.. It won't make the barrel any thicker and I can't see how ballisticaly you would gain anything at all..
You just end up with a Shorter SKINNY barrel??

PSL is a 1-2MOA gun. It just is what it is. 1.5" at 100 yards out of a semi is nothing to sneer at either, especially if you can replicate it reliably.

I disagree. With the proper ammo and shooter it is easily a 1MOA rifle. I'd get consistent 1.5" groups only when firing rapidly.

Get rid of the 6-7lb trigger and get an optic with a little more magnification on it and I believe it's much easier to use one to it's potential.

Here's answers to the barrel length debate (from Lilja Precision)

http://www.riflebarrels.com/images/length_deflection.jpg

The graph represents a .308 heavy barrel, but it still applies.

Police snipers have been following a trend of shortening barrels with good results.

Most long range shooters would rather sacrifice the small advantage for maximum velocity (which helps reduce bullet drop at those ranges).

This is a sniper school instructors personal experience with the subject
http://www.sniperschool.com/sniper-rifle-barrel-length/

I told an avid gun guy about cutting down my PSL barrel and he was pretty much appalled. Ah well.

I think a shorter barrel, while still skinny, would have much less flex and *should* be more accurate. Look at some of the vids of PSLs firing in slomo. Hot or not, the barrel really whips around. I'd like to try an 18" barrel or so on one of my PSLs.

I won't dispute that but I think it's all relative..
Assuming the PSL shoots 1-1/2" groups with it's standard barrel will it shoot 1" (or less) with that same barrel shortened? Not saying it won't just not convinced it will?


As far as the Graphs, I'm sure Lilja is surely an authority in Barrels but I wonder how relevant the graph is to the PSL?

I won't dispute that but I think it's all relative..
Assuming the PSL shoots 1-1/2" groups with it's standard barrel will it shoot 1" (or less) with that same barrel shortened? Not saying it won't just not convinced it will?


As far as the Graphs, I'm sure Lilja is surely an authority in Barrels but I wonder how relevant the graph is to the PSL?Tough to be sure without a solid before and after test with the same rifle.

I`d be interested to know what r&d Cugir put into the PSL. Did they have a specific reason for the barrel length(harmonic effect, etc.)? Seems to me if the same results could be obtained from a shorter barrel they would have done so for the economic reason of material saved. Then again maybe they flipped a coin, they ain`t Remington after all. :sidegrin_

Tough to be sure without a solid before and after test with the same rifle.


True, and that is what IMHO is/would be needed to validate the mod..
Same gun with control over as many variables as possible..

And then where does one make the cut?

True, and that is what IMHO is/would be needed to validate the mod..
Same gun with control over as many variables as possible..

And then where does one make the cut?Exactly. You would almost need to start by taking an inch off at a time and test. But then is your re-crown the same everytime? Too many variables. You could take a sample of, say, 100 PSLs and test each one at different barrel lengths and get an average at each length but seriously......

I would also like to have some info on Cugirs reasoning behind the chosen barrel length.

Same thought process I think.. To me not worth the effort the rifle is just fine the way it is.. It would be nice if it was a bit shorter when it goes in the safe though.. :small_gri

Cutting, crowning, threading, then installing the FT Sight and Bayo Lug sure seems like a lot to me...

It is not a Modern Sniper rifle, not even on it's best day, cutting the barrel because that's what SWAT does won't change that..

I think it might be interesting though to try several DIFF M/D's however.. Easy ON/OFF and nothing permanent.. The M/D is kinda long anyway..

Look at the Dragunov. The Tigr and SVDS rifles sure don't seem to suffer from the shortened length (~21-22").

Sure there's a lot of variables but it's not rocket science.

Define a modern sniper rifle. Aside from optics, refinements, and the crap people hang on them, there is very little that is revolutionary about most modern sniper rifles. I'd venture to say, being that the Dragunov was well ahead of it's time (adopted in the 1960's), and continues to work well to this day...the fact that the PSL has only been around since the 70's...they are some of the most modern and progressive rifles out there.

Most modern western bolt rifles are based on 1940's (Remington) and older designs (Mauser variants - dating back to the late 1800's!), and our semi's are based on designs of the '30's (M14 variants) and '50's (Stoner variants).

I don't understand why so many tend to discount or down play these rifles as obsolete relics. They are current, in use, modern, and effective.

Didn't say it was rocket science just don't see the effort paying worth while dividends.. As I mentioned cutting, crowning, threading, and removal and installation of the sights and bayo lug aint no easy task..

If you want to cut the barrel down and your happy with the results that a beautiful thing you most certainly have that choice.. Me, I would much rather spend my time and effort on a more worthy project is all..

I'm not playing DOWN the PSL, remember I have one and I like it..

However by Modern I don't mean not in use I mean it AINT no BARRETT, aint no FN, nor STEYR H/BAR, nor is it a Factory, or Custom Built SNIPER rifle capable of Sub MOA groups and NOTHING you ever do will make it that way..

i have an FNAR, that is my long range gun. the psl is my go have fun and blow stuff up at 300yds gun. I love pumping out the rounds and watching pumpkins and things go flying from a distance. I would like to have a 18-20" barrel. it looks silly anyway how it is now

I remember reading somewhere that the PSL barrel diameter is basically the same as an m1a barrel's diameter. The illusion of it being thinner is due to the length. I doubt it would be much, if at all, thinner than an fn fal either. I've never had the impression that the Dragunov barrels were any thicker than the PSL. Of course it depends on where you measure it.

Making short barrels would surely be easier with less machining, less material, less chrome lining etc but Yevgeny Dragunov didn't take that option and neither did the Romanians. The Russians are churning out SVD rifles with the shorter variants in tow. If the shorter barrels were performing better why would they persist in knowingly producing an inferior product when it would much easier for everyone, both manufacturers and end users to replace the standard SVD barrel with a shorter one? Venuzuala not to long ago was said to purchase 5000 SVD rifles. That's a lot of waste if they forewent more accurate short barrels for more inconvenient and less accurate long barrels.

I doubt chopping down an SVD or PSL barrel would improve accuracy but hey, the designers and users may never have realised over all these years of production that they’d messed up their barrel length. I wonder if battle rifles like the m14 or fn-fal could see increased accuracy with a barrel chop? Is the M4 with its short barrel more accurate than the original m16? Is the G3KA4 more accurate than the standard g3? I doubt it but hey, if I experienced better accuracy from an identical semi auto with a shorter barrel I’d think about changing my mind.

I've done a .4 MOA 3 round group and 1.2 MOA 5 shot at 100 yards on my first serious attempt. The rifle was box stock save for a POSP 2-6x24 scope...and I'm a fairly unaccomplished shooter. 7N1 ammunition was used...which I feel is where most come short. Good lightweight match ammunition would really help these rifles out. 7N1 is sniper ammo...it is not loaded to 'match' standards. That, the odd lucky lot of consistent ball ammo, and reloads is the best we can do.

PSL Range Report (http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48750)

DYNOMIKE, not all of my comments were specifically directed towards you...and I think it makes more sense to define a modern sniper rifle as those in widespread use by a modern military. There's always gonna be the latest and greatest...and what is best really depends on a lot of opinion, conjecture, personal preference, the situation...etc, etc.

Like I've stated, it's already been done in the SVDS and Tigr...even the Saiga rifles...with full size and chopped-down .308's being available. The difference in accuracy is debatable, the advantages in reducing the overall length are obvious, and the difference in terminal results largely unknown.

The results on short barreled bolt action .308's are fairly well known, with ammunition using faster burning powders negating the velocity loss and often outperforming the longer barreled rifles.

But, hey...to each their own and results may vary :D

I believe the long barrels remain largely for consistency with a wider range of ammunition.

Oh I didn't really think it was directed at me at all, I was just adding commentary to the discussion.. The things I have posted are nothing more then my opinions which I thought after all is what makes a discusssion??..

My PSL has also shot some very nice 3-Shot groups but I prefer to use 5 as the true measuring stick.. Personally MY gun did NOT shoot the Highly Regarded 7N1 but does seem to shoot the CZECK L/B pretty well??..

As far as my comments RE: A Modern Sniper Rifle, again I thought to avoid confusion I would outline (very basic one at that) my idea of a Modern Sniper rifle as "generally" speaking these are Usually VERY High end SEMI's or BOLT guns of which the PSL is neither.

YES Shorter barreled/action "BOLT GUNS" are getting good results, but the PSL is NOT a bolt gun which is the point I'm trying to make.. I don't care what you do to your PSL it will never shoot like a quaility BOLT GUN whether you shorten the barrel or not.. All I'm saying is compare APPLES to APPLES..

Would my PSL handle better with a shorter barrel YES.. Would it fit better in the safe, YES (already stated).. Would I like to have a shorter barrel just because, YES it would be fine..

Another thing to consider is I think the correct way to thread a barrel is to REMOVE it from the action/receiver.. IF my gun shoots just fine as it is then why would I want to take the barrel out, then put it back in? We are after all talking about accuracy which starts by having very close tolerances.. Taking the barrel out and putting it back in may very well have an effect on that? NOT saying it would just that it could..

The Gun shoots fine as is, would the time and effort ( & expense if I send the rifle off) expelled to perform the above mentioned mods yield a return to make it worthwhile? IMO no, shrinking my groups by a few thou" (MAYBE) is not woth the effort to me..

Not trying to talk anyone out of anything just sharring some points to ponder.. In the end whoever will do whatever they want anyway that's the beauty of owning cool shit....

I'm only comparing bolt guns to PSL's in the results of shortening the barrel. The action type is really not a variable.

The Saiga .308 is a good example that correlates directly. They are available in a 22" and 16" configurations. Most report either the same or better accuracy at most distances with the 16."

Back to the OP I couldn't agree more. In my own experience shots don't start stringing until a few mags have been shot through it.

I touched on the rate of fire above when comparing the Old MOSIN barrels to the PSL. Do you notice groups opening up after 5 rds or would you say a few more then that?
I try to keep my groups at 5 and usuall don't shoot more then that W/Out letting the gun sit for a few minutes.

The Saiga .308 is a good example that correlates directly. They are available in a 22" and 16" configurations. Most report either the same or better accuracy at most distances with the 16."

In all my reading I've seen the exact opposite. I've dredged up one of the threads that gave me that opinion http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=1221&st=60

From what I've read shorter barrels prefer faster burning powders and lighter bullets to perform best...so I think the results will depend a bit on the load used. With the 7.62x54R there really isn't much choice in propellants or projectiles.

This is an article on a .308 tactical bolt gun, but the discussion on length, diameter, contour, loads, etc. is all relevant.

http://www.tacticaloperations.com/SWATbarrel/

My best group thus far has been after a 15 shot string (a shot fired every few seconds). It wasn't until after about 25 rounds fired in this manner that there was noticeable vertical stringing...with groups opening to about 1-1/2." The rifle actually seemed to shoot better warm vs cold. From what I've been led to believe this is atypical.

My best group thus far has been after a 15 shot string (a shot fired every few seconds). It wasn't until after about 25 rounds fired in this manner that there was noticeable vertical stringing...with groups opening to about 1-1/2." The rifle actually seemed to shoot better warm vs cold. From what I've been led to believe this is atypical.


I would have guessed less than that.. If it holds for 20+ rounds I think that's pretty damn good and seems to kinda squelch the Hot/Thin barrel inaccuracy oft spoke of?..

I dug out the target to verify the accuracy of my memory and I was way off. The shots actually had a tendency to string horizontally...and I believe the trigger pull may have been more of a factor than the barrel heat (something evidenced from my M16A2 range qual days...which was the last rifle I fired for groups with a heavy trigger). My biggest group was 2" across (measuring about 1-1/2 vertically), and my wife's was 3" across (measuring 2" vertically). The wife shot the last group of the day in a ten shot string. It was only her 2nd time shooting a rifle of any kind, which was pretty impressive.

Draw your own conclusions.

I disagree. With the proper ammo and shooter it is easily a 1MOA rifle.

With some trigger work, stock work, and a better optic (and handloaded or choice ammo) you can shoot close to MOA pretty reliably. After about 10 it will string. It isn't what I'd call an "easily 1MOA" rifle out of the box though ;)

With some trigger work, stock work, and a better optic (and handloaded or choice ammo) you can shoot close to MOA pretty reliably. After about 10 it will string. It isn't what I'd call an "easily 1MOA" rifle out of the box though ;)

Most of those variables are dependent on the shooter...and all can be fixed if necessary with little invested. The trigger can be fixed with little to no investment, a cheek pad and butt pad can fix the stock 'issue,' and if your eyes require it, a higher magnification scope is $220.

For a $600-$700 rifle you can't ask for much more.

Whether they actually start stringing after ten shots is thus far inconclusive. As mentioned, my best group was after 15 shots, and a couple mags later my groups had opened up only marginally (~1/2 MOA)...not the 1-3 MOA most claim. My theory is that the forearm fit may have more to do with shot stringing than the barrel contour.

" a cheek pad and butt pad can fix the stock 'issue"...

I don't want to hijack this thread and can post up my own if needed but this brings up an onging issue for me.....

I posted a long time ago asking for suggestions RE: A Cheek pad.. I searched but could not find that thread?
Anyway could/would you share the Cheek Pad you use as the only real issue I have shooting my rifle is getting a solid repeatable cheek weld..

I hope that I can find something that will not permanently alter the stock..

TIA..

I use one of these:
ITC Railrest (http://www.itcmarksmanship.com/c-14-itc-railreststhin-rail.aspx)
Just discard the center strap, and I sewed the open end together (otherwise the foam is visible).
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u40/Ricky_a_photos/IMG_0017small.jpg

It's not ideal but it's easily removable and much better than nothing.

That looks perfect, thanx..
I have the same Buttpad it made for a nice addition..

I'm still new to the PSL but so far I have not been able to reproduce the horrible stringing or huge groups that seem to occur on a warm or hot barrel.

Now I'm not that kid bump firing the thing on youtube pretending it's an PKM either... But I will usually shoot a mag or so at a time, with shots every couple seconds usually after I steady the rifle and take a breath. I have stretched this out to a few mags in maybe 15-20 minutes. But it seems that if I do my part there has not been a problem with the barrel being warm.

This may be in part to the rifle being sighted in "as I went" and it usually takes a few rounds before it shoots "in" to it's settings. But even too hot to touch hasn't caused any real large variance in POI.

I'd still like to see an RPK profile barrel in say 18-20" as an option. I think that might help with the whip. As to why it is so long, I can fire off a few guesses but that's about it. It may be something as simple as to maximize velocity given the variances in military ammo. Someone may have set a standard for penetration at X distance and made it a requirement. So the barrel length was set up to maximize the velocity over the wide variety of 54R.

The PSL also doesn't use a flash hider, but a brake. It could be something as stupid as minimizing muzzle signature by giving it more barrel to allow most of the powder to be burned up in the barrel.

As mentioned, with Romania being a poor country... I can't see them doing it without some reason. Who knows? :huh_small

Barrel is most likely as long as it is to make use of the long iron site radius. If scope is damaged in combat the longer the site radius the easier to hit targets at a distance, using irons. Like the difference between the 20" SKS vs the 16" AKM. AK's are not any less accurate than the SKS, just the short site radius makes them harder to hold site at distance......my $.02............Mike

Barrel is most likely as long as it is to make use of the long iron site radius. If scope is damaged in combat the longer the site radius the easier to hit targets at a distance, using irons. Like the difference between the 20" SKS vs the 16" AKM. AK's are not any less accurate than the SKS, just the short site radius makes them harder to hold site at distance......my $.02............Mike

I seriously doubt it. The iron sights are merely a back up measure. The rifle is optimised for scoped use not iron sight use.

I seriously doubt it. The iron sights are merely a back up measure. The rifle is optimised for scoped use not iron sight use.

OK, my bad. Now please give me "Your" info as to the reason for the length of the PSL barrel. "Optimised" how with barrel length?

The rifle is intended to be used with a scope. The manufacturers aren't going to add a heap of inches onto the barrel just so you can squeeze out more accuracy on the off chance you smash your scope. I think the barrel length is as long as it is on the Dragunov (and therefore influenced PSL) because competition shooter and gunsmithing expert Evgeniy Dragunov painstakingly found that length to be the sweet spot for velocity and accuracy (unless he was clueless which he was certainly not). If I had a PSL I could chop the barrel while realizing that an expert, with more knowledge and experience in his little finger than I have, designed the rifle as it was. Sure there are certainly benefits to chopping down the PSL barrel, but I really doubt improved accuracy is one of them.

This is a good writeup on Evgeniy Dragunov
http://izhevsk.club.guns.ru/eng/dragunov.html

its a common misconception that when you shorten a barrel, you loose accuracy.

that is false.

all you loose is velocity.

its correct that the length of the PSL barrel is (apparantly) long enough to retain good velocity (higher velocity is better for longer shots) but still short enough to keep decent accuracy without too much barrel whip.

MOST of the time when a barrel is shortened, it becomes MORE accurate as there is less barrel movement (whip) at the muzzle.

i can garantee you that if you shortened a PSL barrel your accuracy would not get any worse. it might get better, or stay the same, but it wouldn't get worse. you would also loose velocity.

just me .02 on the matter.

Someone with two PSL's needs to give one of them a barrel chop so we can see how it affects a semi auto with a barrel this long. The ballistics will suffer but it will be interesting to see about accuracy. Either that or someone with a shorty PSL can post some groups (something I haven’t seen).

the ONLY way to really see the difference is to do multiple tests with different loads, then shorten the barrel and redo all the same tests.

different firearms all have variables in accuracy, so using 2 different rifles wouldn't really work for the long vs short barrel test

It would be nice to see some range reports from the new TGI PSL / AK clones in 54R. They hack 10" off to give it the "look" of an AK.

If we can get a look at how those shoot. It might give us an 'idea' of what to expect. I sincerely doubt you are going to get someone to cut and crown / test. Cut and crown / test... and then someone will have a problem with how the test was done... someone will blame the inconsistencies of the crowning job.

I'd be just as interested in anyone who currently has a para FPK and how it shoots. Or anyone who has gone down to a 18-22" barrel that had some idea of how it shot before and after.

But I'm betting there aren't many people doing it given the lack of ease in replacing the barrel if things don't go as planned.

I know G.P. had a few shortened PSL`s on his site a while back. Not sure how extensively they were tested. He had a few things to say concerning barrel length, maybe he`ll chime in.

for my part, my PSL is shooting real nice with the reloads i'm doing:

1-1.5 MOA

if i had some extra cash laying around, i'd like to buy one of the scopeless cheap PSLs from centerfiresystems and use that to cut down.

problem is i wouldn't really know about moving the brake/sight back after cutting. wouldn't want to do a hack job ya know.

i just had an idea.... for all everyone says about the heavyball hammering PSLs, i wonder if you were to cut back the barrel, and not mess with the gas system, maybe just maybe, the heavy ball wouldn't hammer the action so much???? (assuming it does in the first place...)

Thought I'd chime in. I do own the PSL Paratrooper which I posted in the pic thread but after all this time (college + economy going down the toilet) I haven't had time to go to the range with it to determine its accuracy.

I'm also pretty limited on ammo because all I have is Brown Bear 7.62x54R in 203 grain. The next open day at the range here is Dec 6th. I will try to see if I can get on out and get some time to finally see what the accuracy of the shorty PSL is like. I don't know how consistent my groupings will be using the heavy ammo though.

I started this thread to ask IS THE PSL BARREL REALLY THAT TINY? Is it the same diameter as the standard issue Dragunov? I've been told it is. If that is so why isn't everyone slamming the Drag for a too thin barrel? Because they use them as intended? These are not high volumn fire suppression rifles. They are "longer" distant targeting rifles with the capability of a almost instant second shot without taking your eye off the target. Will both rifles string and open groups with rapid fire, yep, but alot has to do with trigger, rest and shooter more than the barrel diameter, IMO. This is ONLY MY OPINION based on 24 years military service and shooting everything I could get my hands onto since I could walk.
I welcome all replys, comments and opinions along with hard evidence anyone wishes to post. Thanks folks..............Mike

I started this thread to ask IS THE PSL BARREL REALLY THAT TINY? Is it the same diameter as the standard issue Dragunov? I've been told it is. If that is so why isn't everyone slamming the Drag for a too thin barrel? Because they use them as intended? Thanks folks..............Mike

Fact #1. PSL barrel is thicker than SVD dragunov barrel.

People are not slamming dragunov SVD barrel because it is rare and people thing that everything russian is so much superior to other eastern european guns.

:rofl_smal :rofl_smal

I'll have mine out to the range in a month or so...though any shooting data gathered will be useless as I also lessened the trigger pull by a few pounds.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u40/Ricky_a_photos/IMG_0567.jpg

I don't care if you made a new trigger out of butt diamonds and thrice used TP.

I'd still be interested in hearing your results.