Napolitano says time is right to legalize illegals

Declaring success in border security and immigration enforcement, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Friday that the federal government has done its work and now it's time for Congress to pass a broad bill to legalize illegal immigrants.

Her speech signals President Obama will make good on his promise to push Congress to pass an immigration bill next year - adding yet another hot-button issue to an already long and contentious list.

Ms. Napolitano said members of Congress and voters who balked at an immigration bill two years ago, fearing a repeat of the 1986 amnesty that only made the problem worse, can be assured this time is different. She said in those two years, the flow of illegal immigrants across the border has dropped dramatically and the government is doing more to catch fugitive aliens inside the U.S.

"The security of the southwest border has been transformed from where it was in 2007," she said in a speech to the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank. "The federal government has dedicated unprecedented resources to the Mexican border in terms of manpower, technology and infrastructure - and it's made a real difference."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/14/immigration-bill-promoted-for-2010/

Hmmmmm...

I can translate all of that...into one word: BULLSHIT

Bastards.

TREASON inaction=death

In response to a statement of such ignorance and magnitude I sincerely believe the letters in BULLSHIT need to be much larger and underlined.
These frigging idiots are trying their best to just give this country away...I can never support the return of public hangings, but the public flogging of stupid officials and politicians would most certainly win by popular vote.

...I can never support the return of public hangings, but the public flogging of stupid officials and politicians would most certainly win by popular vote.This is a plan that should have legs. Probably won't be a voting type thing though. Mobs have their uses. :uhoh_smal

Fat ass cow bitch.

She also needs deported.

If their enforcement efforts have been so successful, why are there any illegals left to legitimize?

Fat ass cow bitch.

She also needs deported.
Yeah, she'll like it a lot better in Rwanda.

She might even be able to find a man who doesn't find her revolting there. Hell, she might even be real popular. LOL

Ms. Napolitano said members of Congress and voters who balked at an immigration bill two years ago, fearing a repeat of the 1986 amnesty that only made the problem worse, can be assured this time is different. She said in those two years, the flow of illegal immigrants across the border has dropped dramatically and the government is doing more to catch fugitive aliens inside the U.S.

"The security of the southwest border has been transformed from where it was in 2007," she said in a speech to the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank. "The federal government has dedicated unprecedented resources to the Mexican border in terms of manpower, technology and infrastructure - and it's made a real difference."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/14/immigration-bill-promoted-for-2010/
Pure BULLSHIT,they're drumming up enough votes to stay permanently in power.WE need another Tea Party,that will show them.

Pure BULLSHIT,they're drumming up enough votes to stay permanently stay in power.WE need another Tea Party,that will show them.
I like that.
Do you mind if I adopt that into my prior sigline?


This is exactly why I've been saying that this will prevent us from ever getting our nation back thru the political process.

Crush them
Crush them now


3 percenter

Yeah sure,but I know its gonna take a hella lot more than any kind of Tea Party to win our nation back.

Yeah sure,but I know its gonna take a hella lot more than any kind of Tea Party to win our nation back.


Its a start we must all admit it... for a change we actually are off to a start.

we are getting off our couch and getting off our fat asses to say.. Enough of the bullshit...

probably over 100 years late..... but finally it is a start.

Yeah sure,but I know its gonna take a hella lot more than any kind of Tea Party to win our nation back.
Ahhh, you didn't get it.

But I do appreciate it. :evil:

Its a start we must all admit it... for a change we actually are off to a start.

we are getting off our couch and getting off our fat asses to say.. Enough of the bullshit...

probably over 100 years late..... but finally it is a start.YES!!

When you turn the tide, you'll be living in the Soviet Union, circa 1953.


There's a part of me that enjoys the idea of you all living in 20ft concrete cubicles in the middle of every shitty city in The United Socialist Shithole of Amerika.

;)

Yeah sure,but I know its gonna take a hella lot more than any kind of Tea Party to win our nation back.

Yes, it just might.

But I got to tell you ... Its gonna take more then YOU and and the Doc to take them on.

Because of the work being done at the Tea Party events ... NOW we got MILLIONS of Americans paying attention to what is going on ...

and I'm here to tell you they are flat pissed off.


As example ... this past Thursday Night ... the Sheriff of my county held a Town Hall meeting ... to discuss what he's doing with his department ... what his budget is ... and WHY he needs 12 new cop cars.

Thursday evening ... at 6:00 PM. Dinner Time! And he was talking about just ONE part of the county's budget ... in a tiny county in NoGa.



Almost 100 people showed up ... they SHOWED UP with intelligent questions ... looking for answers

And telling local politicians that It AIN'T "business as usual" ... NO MORE.

The Sheriff was STUNNED ... Me Too!!!

I got a chance to speak ... and I asked the crowd some questions

VERY few ... only two or three ... were members of a tea party group.

Only a couple more have shown up at big protest events. More were aware of what the Tea Parties are doing ... and they wanted to be a part of it.



I have ALWAYS said that I do NOT think that the Tea Party events alone are gonna stop this Government. They ain't.

But with every day that passes ... the TEA Party Movement Grows ... Bigger and Faster then anybody can imagine. MILLIONS of folks are involved ... FAR MORE THEN THE MEDIA WANTS YOU TO KNOW ...

FAR MORE THEN YOU CAN IMAGINE...

While you humps are beatin' your macho chests hurling vague, veiled threats at the government ... and bitter invective and insults at the folks who are doing the heavy lifting ...

WE THE PEOPLE are in the streets gettin' it done ... RIGHT NOW ... not down the road in some dreamland revolution.

Yeah ... it might come down to pushing and shoving ... it probably will. I've said all along that I expect it!

But I'm here to tell you ... From what I've SEEN and what I HEAR ... with my own eyes and ears(!!!)...

If the Government tries to pull this immigration bullshit ...

this country is gonna come freakin' unglued!


And its gonna be the Tea Parties that will do it ... NOT a bunch of keyboard commandos .... who couldn't be BOTHERED to even show up.


If it can be done with out people gettin' hurt ... the Tea Party is our best chance ...

If it comes to more than that ... the MILLIONS necessary to straighten this out ... will come from WE THE PEOPLE.

STAND UP NOW ... JOIN US!!!

HELP OUT WHERE YOU CAN!

CPO T

I've been to a couple of Tea Parties already and felt the comradery from like minded people.I really appreaciate the effort that was put into this by the organizers.I know we have to keep pushing hard straight ahead,but I feel the politicians will continue to ignore them.What really gives me hope is that millions of people are waking up,its a very good first step.

Yes, it just might.

But I got to tell you ... Its gonna take more then YOU and and the Doc to take them on.
Yes it is.

I got a chance to speak ... and I asked the crowd some questions


Tell us more


WE THE PEOPLE are in the streets gettin' it done ... RIGHT NOW ... not down the road in some dreamland revolution.
With all due respect Ted, ya'll ain't getting shit done. You just think you are and those who oppose you like it that way.

You can blame me for not taking part but I already get reality. From what I can see the whole movement is about trying to get the rest to accept reality.

IMO



If the Government tries to pull this immigration bullshit ...

this country is gonna come freakin' unglued!

Hahahah
LMFAO
Ain't gonna due shit. You and I both know it.

Ya know, I've been right about all of this. Every single time.

All ya'll can do is say "next time we'll get 'em."

And its gonna be the Tea Parties that will do it
Stop it, STOP! PLEASE!
You're killing me!

ROFLMAO


If it can be done with out people gettin' hurt ... the Tea Party is our best chance ...


CPO T
I got me some swamp land in Florida I'm selling...cheap.

And a bridge in New York City.

"New York City!?!?!?"

Yeah, New York City. ;)


No offense, Ted. You always walk away from these meetings and marches motivated and optimistic but the next week it is just the same old shit.

Don't take it out on me this time.
I've got a right to my POV and this is bullshit IMO.

Ya'll don't seem to get what you're up against this time.

IMO


Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It is getting so close.....the call to arms is on the tip of the judges tongue.


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"In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its maximum moment of danger.

YOU'RE THAT GENERATION!
THIS IS YOUR ROLE!
NOW IS THAT TIME!

Freedom must be defended from every assailant in every corner of this country..."

Damn, I do love Judge.

Powerful words.
All of my life I knew this was coming. I never thought for a moment during the past 40 years that we would shirk our duty. That once faced with the destruction of our nation and freedom that we would rise up against it. Now I look...and I see...

I don't even know what to say.

With all due respect Ted, ya'll ain't getting shit done. You just think you are and those who oppose you like it that way.





We started with ZERO before April. No folks, period.

By September we fielded over a MILLION in Washington. And many more at smaller events around this country.

I started with less then 10 ... in ONE month I got 64 ... in a sleepy back water of Georgia.

That is EXPONENTIAL growth my friend.

How many do YOU have ... and just what do you think you're gonna do with both of them?

EVERY event held ... EVERY FREAKIN' TEA PARTY ... draws FAR more people then the planners hoped for.

EVERY FREAKIN' ONE.

Folks getting EDUCATED, INFORMED AND MOTIVATED.

And we got more on the way.

WE The People have ALWAYS out numbered our enemy ... but WE are now waking up to just how strong we are.

YEAH ... THE MEDIA LIES ABOUT US ... THE POLITICIANS IGNORE US ...


BUT WE THE PEOPLE KNOW THE TRUTH.

T

Yup, you have more people.

A million and a half in DC--almost unprecedented except perhaps for the leftwing 60s tripe.

And it changed what?

You associate simply having more people with a result. That's not a result.

This is the real world though, and it IS results that matter. Good intentions don't mean a damn thing.

Yeah, I ain't accomplishing anything either, I agree. But I know the level this bunch is at and all of your talk, all of your marches, all of your signs, all of your meetings, ain't going to add up to a pile of shit when it is all said and done.

That's just MO based on watching the political events in this nation unfold over the past 40 years.
If you got 5 million people to Washington next weekend, it would not matter, IMO.

You all seem to need to be convinced of that.

I already am.

Just put this up on another board, seems to fit here also.

When an epidemic starts, there is always an investigation to find "Patient Zero". The future holds for us something similar, let's call it "Event Zero". Wonder what it will be? A quick glance at this thread is all it takes to tell that quite a few people are waiting and watching for this event. What form their response will take is undetermined at this point. What the outcome will be is even more clouded by uncertainty. We are on the cusp of interesting times. A very long time ago, some few men wrote down some principals that would guide the development of a new experiment in people governing themselves. Most of what they wrote revolved around a government structure that would enforce the rights of the common man, and keep him from harm from usurpers and despots. Things have changed. Not just by degree, but in fact in direction. How much progress in this new direction will be made remains to be seen. Perhaps the citizenry in their beliefs on their future has become so irreconcilable that partition may make sense. Some large numbers of us seem to desire that risk taking, decision making, and personal responsibility are not for them. Others think exactly opposite this. Why would anyone want to force these two ideological groups to exist side by side? Is there a better recipe for social friction? Change may in fact be coming. But I fear the midwife of this change has a grievous visage. I really hope I'm wrong about this.


Lowell

This is a regular debate around here and especially between Ted and I, though we are friends. He did try to cast me to the side at one point though! LOL

I don't see giving up any of my nation as an option, long or short term.

The Leftwing fasco-socialists, with the complicity of their 5th column media, have already declared war and have further declared that it is going to be about who will inhabit this nation.

That's just fine by me.

Problem is what happens when they fight and we don't.
You'd think we'd have learned something from watching them take over our govt, while we did nothing, but apparently not.

It's gone way beyond that now.

Yeah, I hope you're wrong also, L Haney, but I know you are not. Not about that, anyhow.

I think a boycott of some kind is the next step.Hell I already stopped buying newspapers a long time ago,but we all need to get on the same page and have a national boycott against one of their big money makers.

Yeah, I hope you're wrong also, L Haney, but I know you are not. Not about that, anyhow.I hear a sadness in that sentence. Written words in this medium strip so much of human communication, that often times we are misunderstood and cause umbrage because of that. Tell me if I'm wrong about the first point.

Lowell

I hear a sadness in that sentence. Written words in this medium strip so much of human communication, that often times we are misunderstood and cause umbrage because of that. Tell me if I'm wrong about the first point.

Lowell
Sure, it is sad to watch the demise of one's own nation, perhaps even freedom for the entire planet. Worse is having it happen on "my watch", so to speak.

Other generations both acted responsibly and guarded their freedoms. We've done neither and I couldn't stop it. I know I am just one man but so were the Founding Fathers and the men who fought in WWII.

Tea Party.

Hmmm, used to conjure up visions--Sons of Liberty in indian garb, using tomahawks on boxes of tea and dumping them into Boston Harbor.

It was an act of insubordination. Militancy. One meant to goad the British into starting a war.
And it worked.

Seems everything has gone PC, including this. Wouldn't want to f'ing upset anyone, would we?

IMO this is exactly what we need. One or a couple of events meant to antagonize the kenyan-marxist narcissist and his band of misfit morons.
They are so arrogant. It wouldn't take much IMO.

Fact is, they've got a lot of nerve even calling these "Tea Parties". No wonder the Leftists call them Tea Baggers and laugh in their faces.


Looking at this, I suppose I sound angry. I'm not. As I've said I have been watching and waiting for this my entire life. Ever since I can remember.

This is just a measured response. A cold, calculated assessment, knowing what it is going to take.
Now, I don't think we're going to do shit but I'll remain ready if we do.

But don't kid yourselves that doing as the Left did is the same as doing your duty.

Yup, you have more people.

A million and a half in DC--almost unprecedented except perhaps for the leftwing 60s tripe.

And it changed what?

You associate simply having more people with a result. That's not a result.



I was pointing out that there is GROWTH both in numbers AND awareness.

I never said it was a "result" or a "conclusion" ... Its NEITHER ...

Its a PROCESS ... and an AWAKENING.

We have come a long way in a relatively short period of time.

there is MUCH more to do ... and MUCH further to go.

I keep saying that I believe the Tea Parties ... and the AWAKENING of WE THE PEOPLE ... might well be too damn little and WAY too late.

But I also believe that this might well be our last best chance to resolve this "thing" without a LOT of people getting hurt.





This is the real world though, and it IS results that matter. Good intentions don't mean a damn thing.

Yeah, I ain't accomplishing anything either, I agree. But I know the level this bunch is at and all of your talk, all of your marches, all of your signs, all of your meetings, ain't going to add up to a pile of shit when it is all said and done.


AT least ... we will have TRIED!!!

If THEY mean to have a war ... and I believe THEY do ... I can accept and deal with the "next step" a whole lot easier if I know ... IN MY HEART ... that I made EVERY EFFORT POSSIBLE ... and also woke up every last Patriot I could.

Our efforts might not add up to that proverbial pile of shit ... but this is MY Country ... and I ain't giving up on it ...

Carry signs and yell??? Shit ... you ought to see the ridiculous HAT I wear.

I'd rather carry signs ... and lead crowd chants ... then answer the cries of the wounded and dying ... and carry the bodies.

Wear a stupid looking hat ... and make a loud ass of myself ... its a small sacrifice.

Even the guys running for Governor in this State know ME and MY NAME ... ON SIGHT!!!! They KNOW the questions I have for them ... because I keep asking them ... SCREAMING THEM ... over and over again. And I will keep asking them until I get an answer.

I take the greatest satisfaction knowing that they can not , WILL not look me in the eye for very long!

At the VERY least ... I can do THIS for my Country.






That's just MO based on watching the political events in this nation unfold over the past 40 years.


If you got 5 million people to Washington next weekend, it would not matter, IMO.

All true ... VERY true ... I've marched in Atlanta 4 or 5 times now, I've Marched TWICE at DC ... I've slept in the back of my Ford Truck cause I couldn't afford the gas AND the motel ...

just to be ignored by the media ... and insulted by the politicians.

I'm certain that I can (will) go back HUNDREDS of times ... and it probably won't make a difference.

But I'm gonna do it. And I'm gonna keep on doing it.

I will NEVER give up on America.


CPO T

Judge Napolitano.

ANOTHER pissed off New Jersey Boy!

T

Ted,

Tell me more about this "stupid hat". I'm intrigued.

Words of TED:

I keep saying that I believe the Tea Parties ... and the AWAKENING of WE THE PEOPLE ... might well be too damn little and WAY too late.

But I also believe that this might well be our last best chance to resolve this "thing" without a LOT of people getting hurt.
I would contend that there is no chance.
As you admit below, they are not going to stop this time. The age of incrementalism is done. That is the measure of these people: pure evil.



This is the real world though, and it IS results that matter. Good intentions don't mean a damn thing.

Yeah, I ain't accomplishing anything either, I agree. But I know the level this bunch is at and all of your talk, all of your marches, all of your signs, all of your meetings, ain't going to add up to a pile of shit when it is all said and done.
AT least ... we will have TRIED!!!

If THEY mean to have a war ... and I believe THEY do ...yes, they do, and I expect they plan on using foreigners to fight us in addn to the robotized morons in federal service

I can accept and deal with the "next step" a whole lot easier if I know ... IN MY HEART ... that I made EVERY EFFORT POSSIBLE ... and also woke up every last Patriot I could.
I couldn't care less.
As the man said in "The Patriot",
"They're redcoats. They've earned it."



Our efforts might not add up to that proverbial pile of shit ... but this is MY Country ... and I ain't giving up on it ...

Carry signs and yell??? Shit ... you ought to see the ridiculous HAT I wear.

I'd rather carry signs ... and lead crowd chants ... then answer the cries of the wounded and dying ... and carry the bodies.
I'd rather do something effective and like I said, they've earned it. MF'ers.


Even the guys running for Governor in this State know ME and MY NAME ... ON SIGHT!!!! They KNOW the questions I have for them ... because I keep asking them ... SCREAMING THEM ... over and over again. And I will keep asking them until I get an answer.
Too funny! I'd love to see that.
Good for you though, Ted.


just to be ignored by the media ... and insulted by the politicians.
I always did have you pinned as a closet masochist! :laugh_sma

I will NEVER give up on America.

CPO T
Nor will I but I would give consideration to the possibility that America no longer exists, or at least will not in the not too distant future.

Fight for her or watch her be destroyed by lowdown, leftist scum not fit to walk her shores.


I'm impressed Ted, you really wanted to call me names, didn't you? :tongue_sm

Kevin


3 percenter

Ted,

Tell me more about this "stupid hat". I'm intrigued.

Its NOT a "stupid hat".

Its a "RIDICULOUS" hat.



The hat, the hair, and the BIG DAMN MOUTH are gettin' kinda known in NoGa.

So are the questions I ask about taxes and spending.

T

I'm impressed Ted, you really wanted to call me names, didn't you? :tongue_sm

Kevin


3 percenter


Nope.

You and I pretty much have the same opinion where this is all heading ... You and I both have an Idea of the job that is just ahead of us.

Someday soon I think you and I will both stand on that Concord Bridge. Its all but cast in stone.

I've not given up on

A) ... the Democratic Process ... not just yet. I'm gonna give it just ONE MORE TRY.

B) ... the idea that the more folks we get on OUR side ... the better off WE ultimately will be.

Us Sailors believe if you're going to a fight ... its a REAL good idea to bring as many friends as possible to help out.



T

Its NOT a "stupid hat".

Its a "RIDICULOUS" hat.


TMea Culpa.

Us Sailors believe if you're going to a fight ... its a REAL good idea to bring as many friends as possible to help out.

TThat is for damn certain.

A matter of balance between that and waiting too long. They are consolidating their power with people whose intention it is to destroy us. Wait too long and...



Crush them
Crush them now

At least, soon.


3 percenter

Us Sailors believe if you're going to a fight ... its a REAL good idea to bring as many friends as possible to help out.
TUs soldiers and marines don't have to worry about that. We KNOW our brothers will be there.:sidegrin_

Ted, are you holding out for the 2010 elections?


1] They will have forced their entire agenda on us by then and regardless who has the majority in Congress it will be the Executive Branch enforcing standing law---laws as they see fit, of course.

2] The Republicrats will NEVER roll back any of their fasco-socialist bullshit.
----I would challenge anyone here to give me one example of any significance.


Crush them
Crush them now


3 percenter

Nappy-ass needs a good Fing with a broom handle.

I'm in line.

Scott

Ted, are you holding out for the 2010 elections?

Truthfully? No.

In a picture perfect, fairytale world of everything turning out all warm, fuzzy and wonderful ... Maybe. But just .... maybe.

I TRUTHFULLY believe that in the last 100 years (and a little more, but who's counting???) we have gone WAY to far to the left.

A monster has been created that now is operating on an inertia of its own.




1] They will have forced their entire agenda on us by then and regardless who has the majority in Congress it will be the Executive Branch enforcing standing law---laws as they see fit, of course.

2] The Republicrats will NEVER roll back any of their fasco-socialist bullshit.
----I would challenge anyone here to give me one example of any significance.


Even with the BEST of intentions ... neither party has the power to overcome this aforementioned inertia ... indeed ... this inertia has made BOTH parties EXACTLY the same.

100 years CANNOT be easily overcome ...

It will take a SUPREME effort by WE THE PEOPLE to stop the monster.

To be effective ... this effort would, by necessity, be to be SO large ... it would almost defy description.

Our ONLY hope is to wake up as many as we can ... and KEEP them awake and involved.


And wait for the outrage that will push over the shit house.

Its coming ... I do NOT know what form it will take.

But its coming.

T



3 percenter

Idea!!! Money Maker!!!!!!!!

O and the Flying Monkeys Pinata.

Fun for the whole family.

Scott

As you may know, this means....

Ted, are you holding out for the 2010 elections?



More ...

Recently I have begun to think that what has happened was inevitable from the days of the founders ... in fact I think they were aware that this day would come.

"Even with the BEST of intentions" ... The WONDERFUL altruism and burning desire for each person to have equal OPPORTUNITY in America ... in spite of unequal work habits, ethics and ambition ...

Could ONLY lead us to where we are today ...

Because, truly and unfortunately, all men are NOT entirely created "equal" ...

Some men will work like a dog all day long ... purchase only what they can afford ... and save some of their earnings against a rainy day.

Others learn to live on the kindness of others ... or foolishly allow themselves to become slaves to living on "credit".

Yes, there are some to fall on hard times of sickness, disease or disability ... but they are in a small number ... and should/would be better cared for by the charity of someone's better nature ... NOT have a bloated nannie state created for them.

Jesus told us the poor will always be with us.

anyoldways...

Maybe we made mistakes along the way ... maybe if we had held closer to States Rights ... Maybe a government like ours has a built in time limit ... maybe we just fuckin' failed ...

hell, there's a thousand "maybes" out there.

...no ... I ain't gonna call you names.

Maybe I'M the hard headed one.

But I'm gonna keep doing it the only way I know by the light that God has given me to see it ...

until it just isn't possible anymore.

T

3 percenter




III


Fuckn A

The Doctrine of the Three Percent.
We will not disarm.

You cannot convince us.

You cannot intimidate us.

You can try to kill us, if you think you can.

But remember, we'll shoot back.

And we are not going away.

Your move.

I am right there with Doc's assessment of where we stand and what will more than likely (not) happen. I cant help but feel like there has been some sort of unnatural intervention, if you will, on the other side's behalf. as hard as we are getting f-ed, and have been for a long time, it seems like the catalyst SHOULD have happened by now. even the propaganda and indoctrination through the institutions shouldnt have been strong enough to quell it before it got to this point. anyone familiar with the work of Jose Delgado? after his stimoceiver demonstration he published a paper outlining basically the same type equipment that used radio waves instead of an implant. it was reported to be already operational. that was nearly 50 years ago. if my supposition is correct then this defense would need to be neutralized before anything further could/would proceed. anyone have any thoughts on this?

I know, I know...tinfoil hatter, nutter, crazy conspiracy theorist. I am familiar with them all. I will counter them with an Einstein quote, "condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance".

We are getting near "The straw that broke the camels back"...... Question is what will the event be, that pushes everythhng over the edge.