AMD-65 and 922R

I been looking into getting a AMD-65. I already owned a WASR-10/63, WASR-3, and a M70AB2. I have two choices a Century or FEG. So which is better? Do I have to use US made mags in both them? Is there any part on AMD that I can replace to make the it compliance, so I can use foreign made mags? Thank for any help.

FEG is the original manufacturer in Hungary. Century is the remanufacturer here in the US, so the Century one should by law be 922r compliant when they sell it to you. The FEG gun, you will have to look at it to see what US parts are in it to make it legal; 6 is the magic number if you are going to use the original mags.

AFAIK century are compliant, FEG are not. with that said, I'd rather get a FEG and convert it then deal with century build BS. On my AMD's I go with the following parts for compliance: US gas piston, muzzle extension, trigger(3) tapco SAW pistol grips(2) and a nodak receiver.

heres some US made Hungarian style grips

http://www.tnguns.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=922

FEG is the original manufacturer in Hungary. Century is the remanufacturer here in the US, so the Century one should by law be 922r compliant when they sell it to you. The FEG gun, you will have to look at it to see what US parts are in it to make it legal; 6 is the magic number if you are going to use the original mags.

No AMD-65 you can buy was built by the Hungarian factory.

The "FEG" types are built here in the USA on 'sporting' FEG receivers.

I have a quick question about the amd-65. Is it bothersome trying to get a 30 rd mag in and out quickly?

I have a quick question about the amd-65. Is it bothersome trying to get a 30 rd mag in and out quickly?

Practice makes perfect.

Very true,
I was not saying that the rifles here that are imported as Postban are Hungarian manufacture. The cut up kits were FEG, the Preban rifles were FEG. The rest are USA manufactured according to the 922r clause of the Feds Laws.
No AMD-65 you can buy was built by the Hungarian factory.

The "FEG" types are built here in the USA on 'sporting' FEG receivers.

Let be honest, do I really need to used US made mags in the FEG AMD-65? I’m sure there are plenty of peoples who used foreign mags in their AMD without replaced any of the parts.

gundam999, let's be honest, do you often tell people it's okay to violate the speed limit and run stop signs?


Suggesting people break the law, just because they might not get caught isn't cool.

What a complainant part? Do they have special markings to indicate they are US made? All my AKs are foreign made. Also, how do they enforce 922R? Does an ATF agent pull you off the range and ask to inspect your rifle then disassemble it to look for the Made in US stamp? Or do they send it to a lab to try and identify the milling marks? If it is determined the weapon is not 922R complaint do they set up an expensive court case against you? That would seem to be a huge waste of money and manpower to bust someone for using a foreign magazine when there are more pressing issues out there.
I think I would liken that to more jaywalking than running a stop sign or speeding, but I could be very wrong.

The real question is "Do you want to be the one to find out the hard way?"

What a complainant part? Do they have special markings to indicate they are US made? All my AKs are foreign made. Also, how do they enforce 922R? Does an ATF agent pull you off the range and ask to inspect your rifle then disassemble it to look for the Made in US stamp? Or do they send it to a lab to try and identify the milling marks? If it is determined the weapon is not 922R complaint do they set up an expensive court case against you? That would seem to be a huge waste of money and manpower to bust someone for using a foreign magazine when there are more pressing issues out there.
I think I would liken that to more jaywalking than running a stop sign or speeding, but I could be very wrong.

Compliant parts are a bit different by design and/or are marked by the manufacturer.

At this time 922(r) is not being enforced but that could change if the BATFE made an arrest and won in court. BTW, the Feds win over 90% of their cases.

Personally I think the BATFE could lose. It would be the same as prosecuting somebody who bought a post GCA of 1968 imported pistol and replacing the 'Target' grips with a plain grip or ditching the adjustable sights for a fixed set. The comparison IMHO is good.
I've spoken to (But could not get in writing) that 922(r) "Is just to get them in the country" and "It's just for the manufacturers" by several BATFE agents.
Their attitude is that what you do with it after you buy it concerns them not a bit UNLESS you chop the barrel below 16" or convert it to full-auto.
This too could change in a heartbeat.

If you want to be the test case and have a hundred thousand $$ to test the system go for it.
But why buck the system when compliant parts are cheap and good insurance?
IF you win you'll piss off the U.S. manufacturers of compliant parts, (They might just file a 'Friend of the Court' brief against you!
If you lose you'll piss of hundreds of thousands of guys who might be one part short and make them targets of the Feds or make them instant Felons!

If you lose you'll piss of hundreds of thousands of guys who might be one part short and make them targets of the Feds or make them instant Felons!

Regardless of any court proceedings, if you've done a kit build or converted a Saiga and are "one part short", you're an unfound felon now, under the law.

Good info - Thanks

FAIK, 922 hasn't been used by itself. Is it on the books? Yes. No question about that. Would probably be used in the usual laundry list of charges when ever anyone is busted for something more serious. My AMD kit like most, didn't have a 16" barrel. The comp wasn't fixed either. I fixed that pronto. So, fed regulations have the weight of law, even if they are regulations. I'm allergic to concrete cells, and will spend some effort and money to not give any over zelous LEO an excuse to put me through the ringer. Who wouldn't?

Lowell

Is $400 for a TGI FEG AMD-65 a good deal? I can get one for that.

922R is used as a "pile-on" law. Once they get you for something they pile on the charges to force you to submit and in the hopes that if they lose the orginal case they can still hang you with the incidentials. Ignoring any law, no matter how stupid you think it is, can gett you in the hurt locker fast, especially if someone wants you there...

I have an AMD-65 kit that I plan to get built next year. I was going to use a Form 1 to keep the weapon as close to original as possible. Now am I hearing the Form1 does not get you out of the 922R compliance. I currently have an SBR being built under Form 1 with no compliance parts, so when I get it back I will be felon after paying a $200.00 tax stamp for NFA weapon? It's hard to keep up with all the legal changes and reading different letters from the ATF concerning policy, I don't think they even know their own laws. All 922R does is set people up for failure.

I have an AMD-65 kit that I plan to get built next year. I was going to use a Form 1 to keep the weapon as close to original as possible. Now am I hearing the Form1 does not get you out of the 922R compliance. I currently have an SBR being built under Form 1 with no compliance parts, so when I get it back I will be felon after paying a $200.00 tax stamp for NFA weapon? It's hard to keep up with all the legal changes and reading different letters from the ATF concerning policy, I don't think they even know their own laws. All 922R does is set people up for failure.

You have to keep in mind that the ATF does not make the law, they just interpret it.

For years, the 'interpretation' was that you could take a Mech-Tech upper and put it on your Colt 1911 for hunting over the weekend, and put the slide back on it for EDC on Monday. The revenuers recently reversed themselves on this, by saying that once you put the Mech-Tech upper on the pistol receiver, it's a rifle, and you can't make a pistol out of a rifle.

Your 922r issue is the same thing. For years, the interpretation has been "NFA weapons are non-sporting and you've paid the tax for that privilege", but only recently has the "NFA weapons need 922r parts" interpretation come out.

If you keep up with these 'interpretations', you'll find reversals, and reversal-reversals and reversal-reversal-reversals of many "interpretations". During all of this wallering, the relevant law hasn't changed.


If you want an actual answer, spend a penny on a lawyer who is familiar with this stuff and see what s/he thinks.

Thank You for clearing that up for me. I was getting mixed up with sporting and non-sporting. Wish I hadn't posted. Ignorance is bliss.