my m39 and m44

been bit by the mosin bug BAD as of late...picked up an m44 last week and an m39 just today. can't resist the urge to show em off. the m44 is a bit weathered but in very nice shooting condition. the m39 is gorgeous, excellent stock, about 80% blue, excellent shiny bore. i'm really in love with these guns. can't wait to blast em! thanks for looking, any input is valued and appreciated.

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Nice man. Have you shot the 39 yet?

Sweet set you have there Triz! Give us a range report!:smiley_46

thanks guys! i can't stop staring at the m39, she's so purty!

haven't gotten to fire either one yet. ill be testing them both out next weekend out at my girlfriends parents farm. unfortunately its a smaller farm so i'll only have about 100 yards max range available. gonna have to do some asking around to find a good place to really go for some distance. sadly that's a tough order to fill in these parts as everything is farmland, no wide open spaces to shoot without fear of hitting a tractor, cow, or barn:(

M-39's are the best , yours appears to be a SAKO. I have a 1944 SAKO and I love it. Been thinking about some modern custom triggers and some aluminum pillars for the small bolts on the underside for increased accuracy. Also like to reload for the M-39's for easy clean up.

I'm finishing reloading approx 400 cast and jacketed rounds for 7.62x54

I tend to load a lot, then shoot a lot, and may not get back to this caliber for a while :p 303br is next I think

Still lusting after an M39 or something similar.... :small_gri

nice rifles

M-39's are the best , yours appears to be a SAKO. I have a 1944 SAKO and I love it. Been thinking about some modern custom triggers and some aluminum pillars for the small bolts on the underside for increased accuracy. Also like to reload for the M-39's for easy clean up.

yup, she's a 1942 sako. going to eventually do a scout mount scope and maybe a bipod (thing is freakin heavy!). other than that, lots of stripper clips and rounds and she's good to go!


thanks for your comment swabbie! i'm still a ways off from being able to reload cases, but i definitely want to learn soon, as i see it might be a very valuable skill to have in the future...

You don't see many legitimate M39 stocks anymore like yours. Most M39s are re-arsenaled with M44 stocks. Don't put a scope on it. To me that's dissing a classic rifle, not to mention ruining the collector's value. Just my opinion.

Mike

You don't see many legitimate M39 stocks anymore like yours. Most M39s are re-arsenaled with M44 stocks. Don't put a scope on it. To me that's dissing a classic rifle, not to mention ruining the collector's value. Just my opinion.

Mike


Pretty sure it's the M38 stocks that are being replaced with M44 stocks. The Finn M39 stock is completely different. I'm not sure a 39 would even fit in any other Mosin stock they're so different.

You don't see many legitimate M39 stocks anymore like yours. Most M39s are re-arsenaled with M44 stocks. Don't put a scope on it. To me that's dissing a classic rifle, not to mention ruining the collector's value. Just my opinion.

Mike



i am a admittedly a total noob when it comes to mosins, but i have done a lot of research using resources found here, 7.62x54r.net, pat burns collection, etc. i havent seen or read anything about your claim that most m39's out there now have m44 stocks. i'd be interested in seeing how one looks if you might have a link to someone selling them or perhaps a historical site that speaks of this, for the sake of furthering my knowlege of mosins.

as for not seeing many legitimate m39 stocks out there, well there's pat burns site for one. she seems to have a healthy supply. the local pawn shop where i bought my m39 had 4 more m39's in stock right next to the one i bought. maybe not as common as 91/30's, but it seems they can be had without much trouble at this time, just a little pricier than an m44 or 91/30. it does seem that many of the m39's available have already been re-arsenaled, but were done so using original m39 stocks. the bolt on my sako is force matched to the receiver, so it was definitely re-arsenaled at some point. there is no doubt that my stock was refinished when it was re-arsenaled. the finish is near perfect despite small nicks and dents all over the stock.


its the beauty of the stock that had me sold on the sako 39 the second i saw it. i don't plan on doing anything that would permanently alter the gun in any way. that is why i decided that IF i do mount a scope, i will do a scout mount type setup, which can easily be reverted to stock rear sight leaf with no modifications whatsoever to the gun. i decided against a receiver mount scope because i too felt it would be a disservice to this gun to drill holes in the receiver and carve out the stock to accomodate a bent bolt.

i agree that to permanently modify this sweet m39 to mount a scope would be disgraceful. however, i do not see the harm in experimenting with a scout scope should i have the money and inspiration to do it. if i'm not changing the rifle permanently, i don't see how i will be "dissing" the rifle by doing so. i also fail to see how mounting a scout scope will ruin the collector's value in light of the same fact that a scout scope mount does nothing to change the original condition of the rifle. you take the mount off, put the sight leaf back on and there you go.

to be honest, i don't care about collector value anyway, i bought this gun to shoot. i chose the m39 for its record of accuracy and quality over all other mosins, according to everything i have read. i'm not the type of collector who buys and sells guns for investment and profit, or to hang on a wall and wack off to. every gun i buy has a specific purpose in mind and i plan on having it around til i'm cold and dead. in light of that fact, i feel its my right to do whatever i want to any gun i own, if i feel it will make the gun and myself work better together.

Pretty sure it's the M38 stocks that are being replaced with M44 stocks. The Finn M39 stock is completely different. I'm not sure a 39 would even fit in any other Mosin stock they're so different.


Yes, you are correct. Most M38s were rearsenaled with M44 stocks, not M39s.

However, I still stand by my premise that putting a scope on an M39 would ruin the collector valuse of an M39.

Anyway, that's just an individual opinion.

Mike

However, I still stand by my premise that putting a scope on an M39 would ruin the collector valuse of an M39.

Anyway, that's just an individual opinion.

Mike

Now that we can agree on. That being said, I bought an already bubba'd M39 that I have a scope on, but wouldn't think of doing that to one of my originals.

again i'm a noob to mosins and antique guns in general. i appreciate your guys input. just curious as to why it would ruin the collector value to put a scout scope mount if it could be reversed with no changes to the gun? i'm not asking to be confrontational or anything, i genuinely want to learn everything i can about these guns. i wasnt planning on putting one on anytime soon, just considering the idea for fun, IF it would'nt jack up the gun. that's my main concern.

im going to scope out the m44 first and have fun with that as it seems the m44 is a little more "field friendly" when it comes to weight and length, and its already well worn as far as the stock goes, so i won't feel bad about making any changes to it or beating the crap out of it. the m39 will be shot, but treated with utmost care. to be honest, the only reason i considered trying a scope on the m39 is for a shtf scenario when i might need a little extra edge in long range accuracy, as at this point, i'm very much still a novice long range shooter. otherwise, i would never think of using one. none of my other rifles are scoped, love shooting with iron sights, just toying with ideas to keep things interesting. thanks again for everyone's input. i read my last post and i sounded like kind of a dick. if i came across that way, i apologize

I'm referring to permanent mods, like drilling and tapping the receiver. The reversible scout mount would be fine as far as retaining any collectors value of the rifle. Do what works for you, it is your rifle. :)

again i'm a noob to mosins and antique guns in general. i appreciate your guys input. just curious as to why it would ruin the collector value to put a scout scope mount if it could be reversed with no changes to the gun?

MY COMMENT:
As was already mentioned, if mounting the scope does not make any permanent changes to the rifle then you are not ruining anything. I'm not an expert on scopes and mounting them, and I've only seen those scout mounts in advertisements. But, I thought they had to be put on in place of the iron sights and there was some "damage" done to the gun.

im going to scope out the m44 first and have fun with that as it seems the m44 is a little more "field friendly" when it comes to weight and length, and its already well worn as far as the stock goes, so i won't feel bad about making any changes to it or beating the crap out of it.

MY COMMENT:
I wouldn't worry about the M44. There are plenty around and they are very cheap.

One thing I should mention. I've only shot our M44 with the iron sights so I don't know if the following is true if you're going to use a scope. But, I found a huge difference in accuracy depending on the position of the bayonet. When the bayonet is deployed the rifle is deadly accurate. If the bayonet is folded you will find that it shoots around 3-4 inches to the left and low. I understand that the M44s were sighted in at Soviet armories with bayonets deployed and this is why there is the discrepancy.


the m39 will be shot, but treated with utmost care. to be honest, the only reason i considered trying a scope on the m39 is for a shtf scenario when i might need a little extra edge in long range accuracy, as at this point, i'm very much still a novice long range shooter.

MY COMMENT:
You might consider getting a M91-30 "facsimile" Zaitsev sniper with bent bolt and pu scope. We have one and, while we are not under any delusion that it was used as a sniper during the Great Patriotic War, it has a heavy duty bolt and bright, clean, accurate bore. The post war pu scope has better optics than the one guys like Zaitsev used and looks the same, but without WW II markings.

There is a guy who makes a mount for the M91-30 that will take high powered American made scopes. After using the PU scope for a while we removed it and used the mount to attach an American hunting scope on the rifle. The mount fits on the side just like the Soviet mount and will take any modern scope. So, there is no need to mount a "scout" scope on the center of the rifle or drill any holes. I can give you or anyone else the guy's address. I think we paid about $60 for that mount 3 years ago

thanks again for everyone's input. i read my last post and i sounded like kind of a dick. if i came across that way, i apologize

MY COMMENT:
Don't feel bad. I hadn't slept for quite awhile when I made my first post and sounded like an idiot talking about M39s when I meant M38s. In fact, I may still sound like an idiot since I'm really not knowledgeable about scopes. Just passing along my own limited experience on the subject.

Mike

I have a scope mounted on both my 91/30 and Ishie 2A using the scout scope method

the Mosin uses a Darrel's mount(replacing the rear sight leaf) and the Ishie uses a mount which wraps around the barrel..much work to install

My advice is to find a friend with a scout mount setup and try it first,,they are different.I also wound up adding an inexpensive cheek rest as the eye lineup just wasn't right for me

I'm used to them now, but my shooting/reloading podno just can't get used to it

I have scoped my No5 Enfield jungle carbine, but decided against scoping my M44..just not enough perceived benefit for me

my .02..hope this helps