Warning about making a PSL Hi-cap

I was looking at some of the bubba'd-up PSL posts and noticed the someone mentioned hi-cap options for them. PLEASE nobody make one. As soon as somebody fabricates a mag and tries to sell it, I believe it will make all of the PSL's one step closer to falling under 922R. That would be bad.

yeah but then wed have high cap magazines, and THEN id buy a PSL :)

I believe that it's already been done (fairly often) by folks using Bren magazines...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/FTFFTW/MilSurp/100_5884.jpg

But are they SELLING them? That would seem to be the difference, perhaps?

I'm curious to see how well the Bren mag conversion works and how-to do the mod.

Yeah....I'm not so sure this is a great idea. For a lot of reasons. First take a look at this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozyw84Swmb4[/url]

There are a shit load of Kalashnikov style rifles of whom already use 30 round mags. These rifles are in fact designed to dump out heaping loads of ammo as fast as one could pull the trigger. The Romanian PSL is [U]not one of these rifles.
Truthfully this type of mod is probably illegal in most of the country. I honestly don't know.

But as it stands the PSL sits legally the same as a any "hunting sporting" rifle. I like it that way :wink_smal

Still if Ya really wanna turn a 700.00 rifle ( and yes I know it aint that much $$ coin for a big ol' gun) into a useless pile of shit.........go for it! Melt Your PSL down!! then share it and We can all talk shit! :rofl_smal :rofl_smal

I spent (and wasted) an entire weekend trying to get a couple Bren mags to actually function. The mag would lock up fine but wouldn't feed properly. The mags were ruined in the process.

This whole thread is pointless. There is no such thing as a high-capacity magazine! There is (currently) no federal distinction that defines low-cap, normal or high-cap. There is no federal restriction on how many rounds a magazine fed rifle can hold. There is no federal law against modifying or making your own mags for your rifle in whatever capacity you see fit. For someone to start selling such mags would not magically make a gun subject to 922r. For someone to make an impassioned plea against a particular magazine is completely senseless. That's like asking everyone to never drive above 65mph, lest we attract LEO attention and cause all of the speed limits to be lowered.

Yes, there are some states (like Kalifornia) which limit magazine capacity and rifle configuration, but that does nothing to effect FEDERAL regulations like 922r. Those of us who support RKBA need to be careful about buying into the media hype about "hi-cap mags" and "assault rifles." If we perpetuate the use of such ill-defined, amorphous and downright deceitful terminology, we are actually lending a hand in our own downfall. How many assault rifles do you own? I don't own any, as none of my rifles has ever committed an assault. High-cap mags? Mine all have just the right capacity.

I think the PSL is just fine with the 10 rd mag.I don't think the barrel is thick enough for continueous rapid firing.

[QUOTE=Warhammer]This whole thread is pointless.

Hey, thanks for that! As I mentioned before I really didn't know. Pointless though?? There are a few useful points..Like the PSL would be a really bad rifle for this project.:wink_smal I see Your point on the law, but doing this to a PSL as this pointless thread refers to, would just be STUPID!!! PERIOD......................That is unless Your hobby is to fuck up rifles!!!

I think the PSL is just fine with the 10 rd mag.I don't think the barrel is thick enough for continueous rapid firing.


:wink_smal exactly!!

This whole thread is pointless. There is no such thing as a high-capacity magazine! There is (currently) no federal distinction that defines low-cap, normal or high-cap. There is no federal restriction on how many rounds a magazine fed rifle can hold. There is no federal law against modifying or making your own mags for your rifle in whatever capacity you see fit. For someone to start selling such mags would not magically make a gun subject to 922r. For someone to make an impassioned plea against a particular magazine is completely senseless. That's like asking everyone to never drive above 65mph, lest we attract LEO attention and cause all of the speed limits to be lowered.

Yes, there are some states (like Kalifornia) which limit magazine capacity and rifle configuration, but that does nothing to effect FEDERAL regulations like 922r. Those of us who support RKBA need to be careful about buying into the media hype about "hi-cap mags" and "assault rifles." If we perpetuate the use of such ill-defined, amorphous and downright deceitful terminology, we are actually lending a hand in our own downfall. How many assault rifles do you own? I don't own any, as none of my rifles has ever committed an assault. High-cap mags? Mine all have just the right capacity.

I am not certain you are correct. The PSL falls under a certain criteria for import and/or manufacture which makes it exempt from 922r regulations in terms of imported parts. My understanding is because it is calassified as a sporting arm. This criteria I think is based on magazine capacity, and othr featuires such as muzzle devices, pistol grips and bayonet lugs etc. Perhaps I am incorrect but that is my understanding why the PSL semi-auo firearm is in a different category than a AKM.
Aside from the aesthetics of a large magazine on a somewhat fragile DMR rifle...., I suppose bumpfiring a PSL is fun for some folks.., but don't let the scope hit you in the wrist. :rofl_smal

Disclaimer: Alpinemike is a stubborn, opinionated irritable, egotistical bastard!!! Point in case............... Cool it's legal. Hey....thanks guys!!!.. This dumb ass idea isn't against the law. That's just great. And this whole thread...well it must be pointless.


I guess I'm a bit passive too. :straightf

While I’ve seen a fair bit of discussion on hi-cap mags for a PSL, I can’t think that a Bren magazine would work without extensive modification. I’d also think that a higher-rate spring would be necessary since Bren mags fed downwards.

That all said I see little point in a hi-cap for a PSL since it would extend down too far to permit firing from a bipod or other low position that the rifle was designed for. Jut buy a lot of 10-rounders if you want firepower. I have 10 magazines and another 4 on the way. If that doesn’t hold me – then I should likely be using another rifle.

I think sticking a magazine with a capacity greater than ten rounds into a PSL would be just as big of a "no, no" as sticking a 30 rounder into a stock Saiga 7.62x39 insofar as the 922r code is worded.

the PSL needs a Drum... and water cooling.... or maybe just a strong steel band that would launch the 45 pound tins of 440 rounds about 100 yards...yeah... tin launcher.

the PSL needs a Drum... and water cooling.... or maybe just a strong steel band that would launch the 45 pound tins of 440 rounds about 100 yards...yeah... tin launcher.

That made me LOL!

the PSL needs a Drum... and water cooling.... or maybe just a strong steel band that would launch the 45 pound tins of 440 rounds about 100 yards...yeah... tin launcher.

No drums. Come on man, that's ridiculous. I'm thinkin belt fed. :evil:


That was tongue-in-cheek for you guys with thin skin. :rofl_smal

Just cut a slot in the receiver and mount a DP-28 pan magazine in it

Just cut a slot in the receiver and mount a DP-28 pan magazine in it

Ahh yes, the goofiest mag in history. The damn upside down Bren gets honorable mention.

I know many have stated that the barrell heats up too much to be accurate on several other posts. I have fired all 10 rounds in about 5 minutes hitting an 8 inch circular target at 100 yards and switched to a second mag firing in 30 second intervals and hit all 10 again around this target. Now that said they weren't all dead center but would have all hit center mass on a normal man sized chest. The rest shooting at the range were actually like wow thats great shooting for a Dragonuv rifle. I laughed and told them it was just a big Ak and they were like oh shit. Several other were shooting 308 rifles and .223 hunting rifles and weren't hitting as well. I have very little experience shooting long rifles and this kind of shows you the PSL is a damn good gun even with a not very experienced shooter. My buddy proceeded to do also shoot 2 mags a few minutes later after we changed the target and had about the same results and he has only shot the rifle a few times and no another long rifle at all.

waste of time and $. the PSL was never designed to be a constant lead thrower. the 10 round magazine suits me just well.

There is no such thing as a high-capacity magazine! There is (currently) no federal distinction that defines low-cap, normal or high-cap. There is no federal restriction on how many rounds a magazine fed rifle can hold.

ATF's 922(r) 925(d)(3) restrictions definitely DO distinguish between "high capacity" and "low capacity" magazines.

For someone to start selling such mags would not magically make a gun subject to 922r.

I think you're correct on this one . . . a lot of Saiga owners (including me) worried about what would happen when folks stated selling high capacity magazines for Saiga rifles. So far, their import status seems to have remained unchanged as far as ATF is concerned.

Larry

ATF's 922(r) 925(d)(3) restrictions definitely DO distinguish between "high capacity" and "low capacity" magazines.



I think you're correct on this one . . . a lot of Saiga owners (including me) worried about what would happen when folks stated selling high capacity magazines for Saiga rifles. So far, their status seems to have remained unchanged as far as ATF is concerned.

Larry


You can stick a "high cap" in a Saiga so long as the foreign parts count is brought down to 10.

I think you're correct on this one . . . a lot of Saiga owners (including me) worried about what would happen when folks stated selling high capacity magazines for Saiga rifles. So far, their import status seems to have remained unchanged as far as ATF is concerned.



You can stick a "high cap" in a Saiga so long as the foreign parts count is brought down to 10.

Agreed . . . I modified my original post to clarify what I meant.

Larry

Scarily enough, I've seen a gun store selling stock Saigas with the surefire 30 rounders in the magwells. :confused:

Scarily enough, I've seen a gun store selling stock Saigas with the surefire 30 rounders in the magwells. :confused:

Yup . . . it's just the same as gun store selling SKS's w/ high caps. I imagine that someday ATF will use such things a wedge to separate folks from their firearms.

Larry

Yup . . . it's just the same as gun store selling SKS's w/ high caps. I imagine that someday ATF will use such things a wedge to separate folks from their firearms.

Larry

It's too bad, really. You'd hope the dealer would know better. An instance like that really makes me feel bad for the average Joe that purchases the rifle who doesn't really know better (who isn't expected to know better) and may get into trouble at some point.
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I'll stick my tongue in my cheek and posit a question: How long until Tapco starts producing PSL compliance parts?!!!

Scarily enough, I've seen a gun store selling stock Saigas with the surefire 30 rounders in the magwells. :confused:
Its kinda funny that you should mention that. I was at a gunshow two weeks ago and a dealer there was selling stock saiga-12's with surefire 12 rounders for $650 and I asked him if he was telling the people he sold them to that it was a violation of federal law to use the high cap mags in the unmodified guns. At first he acted like he didn't know what I was talking about until I mentioned 922r then you could tell that he was starting to get a little pissed.LOL

sorry, but i am often amazed as to the level of fear that gun owners have of this government.

Why should they not be fearful? Are you saying that our Gov't is fair and we should never fear the vengeful wrath of the BATFE? That they've never overstepped thier bounds or made someone's life a living hell over some stupid fucking rule that makes no sense at all?

Why should they not be fearful? Are you saying that our Gov't is fair and we should never fear the vengeful wrath of the BATFE? That they've never overstepped thier bounds or made someone's life a living hell over some stupid fucking rule that makes no sense at all?

i don't wanna turn this into a political thread. our right to keep and bear arms has become a privilege littered with red tape. I am a relatively new gun owner, so pardon my ignorance.

I'm not taking a shot at you requiem, just trying to understand what you are saying in your previous comment.

I'm not taking a shot at you requiem, just trying to understand what you are saying in your previous comment.
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