Romanian PSL muzzle brake to flash hider legal?

I have an all Romanian PSL with a welded muzzle brake and want to cut the weld and replace it with a US made Tabuk style flash hider, will that subject the rifle to 922r?

Thanks.

My opinion only - if welded muzzell attachment was welded by importor - then changing the muzzel attachment probably change the gun's "status" in relation to 922r. The welding is usually a requiement to make the muzzel peice "peramently" attached. Change that and/or even "peramently" attach weld a different componant on it and I think - you are 922r screwed. :(

I wish it wert so, but the BATF+E+S is very black and white about these things.

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possibly, but i doubt it will ever be a problem for you. the 922 helicopters are down for service.

Was the PSL ever classified as an "Assault Weapon"? It's not a flash hider; it's a flash suppresor. I know it's always referred to as that, but those are two very different animals.

No, it will not.

The PSL does not accept "non sporting" magazines.

No, it will not.

The PSL does not accept "non sporting" magazines.

Sorry for the ignorance but what is the definition of "non sporting" magazines?

More than 10 rounds I believe!Sorry for the ignorance but what is the definition of "non sporting" magazines?

Ummmm . . .

The "assault weapon" status of the PSL is irrelevant for 922(r) purposes, since 922(r) is more restrictive.

"Non-sporting magazines" are not the only feature that causes AK-style rifles to run afoul of 922(r). Separate pistol grips, flash hiders, bayonet mounts, and operational muzzle threads are all additional features that are prohibited -- whether or not high capacity mags are in play. Some PSL's may have been imported or assembled stateside with these features intact -- but to the best of my knowledge, the latest batch are sans these features.

And while this stuff may never be a problem for most, this is the legal forum and 922(r) is currently the law . . .

As always YMMV,

Larry

Non-Sporting Features
The determination of whether or not a rifle is "sporting" does not solely hinge upon the presence or absence of the following features. However, the fewer features it has on this list, the more "sporting" it is. Furthermore, unless you wish to write to ATF for specific approval of one configuration or another, do not add anything on this list to a foreign-made rifle unless you have first converted it to have 10 or fewer imported parts. The 'features' are:

- Ability to accept a large capacity magazine
- Folding/telescoping stocks
- Pistol grips (not to be confused with thumbhole stocks, even Dragunov-style ones)
- Ability to accept a bayonet
- Flash suppressors / hiders - the "capacity to accept" tends to be invoked here, which is why threaded barrels aren't common to find on imported guns. Integrated, military-style bipods
- Grenade launchers
- Night sights


The above quote comes from the gun wiki . . . however, the information from ATF says that any of these features makes an "AK-style" rifle non-sporting.

Larry

There are plenty of PSLs out there with removable brakes, one will not know one from another. I did own 2 of them.

I assume it's a CIA recent import?

If it were me I'd do it, but that's me.

Scott

There are plenty of PSLs out there with removable brakes, one will not know one from another. I did own 2 of them.

I assume it's a CIA recent import?

If it were me I'd do it, but that's me.


Sorry if I came off too strong in my previous posts, but I've always soldered, welded or pinned the brakes on my PSL kits . . . but I'm always overly cautious about such things . . . as is always the case YMMV . . .

Larry

Would I have to worry about 922 if I decided to remove these:

bayo lug
muzzle brake
threads on barrel

Or is it just if you add things.

Also what is the deal with thumb hole stocks? are the considered to be a pistol grip legaly?

Being in a ban state, we can only have one evil feature so thats why I ask about the stock.

Would I have to worry about 922 if I decided to remove these:

bayo lug
muzzle brake
threads on barrel

Or is it just if you add things.


Either way. 922(r) prohibits the assemble of a rifle from imported parts if the resulting rifle would not be importable. If you use US-made parts, the only requirements are that the rifle is USA legal (non-NFA, etc.) "USA legal" allows for more features than "importable".

Also what is the deal with thumb hole stocks? are the considered to be a pistol grip legaly?


922(r) bans separate pistol grips. Thumbhole stocks have a pistol grip, but since it's built into the stock, they are allowed. Note that most "assault weapons bans", care about pistol grips without regard to whether they are separate or not.

Being in a ban state, we can only have one evil feature so thats why I ask about the stock.

Sorry to hear that . . .

Larry

PS: The FAQ in my sig has lots of good 922(r) reference material. It's geared more towards SKS rifles, but most of it is applicable to AK-style rifles as well.

lol I'am trying to understand this.
So these PSL rifles are allowed to be imported because they are considered sporting rifles, correct? If thats true that it an importable rifle as is, then if I deban it even more to comply with my state law (bayo lug, threads on barrel and muzzle brake). Then I would not have to add any US parts???? Just trying to understand it all.

Muzzle brakes are legal here, some call the PSL muzzle attactment a flash hider and some a muzzle brake, I dont want to take a chance with it.

lol I'am trying to understand this.
So these PSL rifles are allowed to be imported because they are considered sporting rifles, correct? If thats true that it an importable rifle as is, then if I deban it even more to comply with my state law (bayo lug, threads on barrel and muzzle brake). Then I would not have to add any US parts???? Just trying to understand it all.

Muzzle brakes are legal here, some call the PSL muzzle attactment a flash hider and some a muzzle brake, I dont want to take a chance with it.
There should be no reason to "deban it even more".

Every PSL I've ever seen has a welded muzzle brake on the end of it.

Muzzle brakes are 50-state legal.

Welded muzzle device = No threaded muzzle (cuz you can't use it) = 50 state legal

The bayonet lug has very likely been shaved and no longer functions (refrain: 50 state legal)

The rifle doesn't accept "non sporting" mags = 50 state legal


This is being vastly overcomplicated.

I have seen one that had a functioning threads . . . but I think that it may have been an anomaly, since I've only seen one.

Larry

There should be no reason to "deban it even more".

Every PSL I've ever seen has a welded muzzle brake on the end of it.

Muzzle brakes are 50-state legal.

Welded muzzle device = No threaded muzzle (cuz you can't use it) = 50 state legal

The bayonet lug has very likely been shaved and no longer functions (refrain: 50 state legal)

The rifle doesn't accept "non sporting" mags = 50 state legal


This is being vastly overcomplicated.
Maybe every one you've seen but not every one. as stated I owned two of them.

Scott

What state do you live in??? Does make a difference.
Secondly, both my PSLs came through knowledgeble FFLs, if fed, state, and local prohibitions they will know, go ask him or others in your area. This is really not fucking rocket science.
And yes there will likely be threads under the brake.

Scott