New rear mount for AK's avail soon!!NEW PICS UP!!

Wasnt really sure where to post this so I figured I'd start here.

Hello everyone! Here’s an update for you all.

I first have to thank member deth502. Without whose help I would NEVER have been able to realize these designs. You’re the BEST!! :D

For quite some time now, I’ve had a few designs for a couple of new products that I’ve wanted made, and after a long time searching for a machinist that understands gun talk, I’m happy to say the prototype stage of design #1 is finishing up nicely. Beta testing is beginning shortly, and I’m now announcing that these will be put into production soon. This announcement is to gauge how many I need to produce in the first production run.

Just to state, I AM NOT TAKING PRE-ORDERS, OR TAKING ANY PAYMENTS AT THIS TIME! JUST JUDGING HOW MANY WOULD WANT ONE, SO I KNOW HOW MANY TO HAVE MADE IN THE FIRST PRODUCTION RUN. FINAL PRICE WILL BE DETERMINED.
I'll be posting this on a few other boards as well.

Please put a reply to the post if you’re interested in this new piece of gear, and I’ll be sure to contact you when the production run is done.

Here’s the info, and a few pics.
This was proof of concept, original idea with my AR A2 BUIS mounted:
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff220/synweap223/100_2759.jpg

Rear Trunnion Rail Mount.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff220/synweap223/AKtrunrail1.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff220/synweap223/AKtrunrail4.jpg
This ones a little blurry but you get the idea.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff220/synweap223/AKtrunrail3.jpg

This new design works with the AK47 rifle platform.
It mounts SOLIDLY to the rear trunnion with the existing rear screw. Doesnt wiggle or move.
It works with the standard stocked rifle only, (and possibly certain other folder variants)
This product will add 10.5 inches to the sight radius.
This product also allows FULL RIFLE disassembly WITHOUT removal or loss of zero.
When used with an AR15 Back up Iron Sight, you now have a rear peep sight, and all windage and elevation controls are now accomplished at the rear of the rifle. Added bonus is you can compensate a bit if your rifle has a canted front sight!!
With the addition of a small riser, you can mount small red dot optics as well.

The original idea came during a build I was doing a LONG time ago, and has been refined a bit. Final pricing is to be determined depending on overall production costs, but I’ll be trying hard for well under $50 for the final price. I'll post as soon as I have the pricing worked out after the meeting with the CNC shop.

There are some other VERY COOL ideas getting prototyped soon, and will be announced shortly!!
Thanks everyone!! And let me know what you think!!
synweap223

LOL!!! Thanks for that vote of confidence Ismurphy!!! I'm guessing that you DONT want one? :huh_small

Thats why I designed this, so guys with piss poor eyesight (myself included) can have a PEEP SIGHT, thats windage and elevation adjustable to boot!

First, let me explain CLEARLY so that you might understand whats going on here. I'm looking into making a handful of these because SOME shooters might want an opportunity for a pretty foolproof way to enhance the sight radius of their rifles. If you think there's going to be a HUGE profit made on these, you're dead wrong. Just R&D on THIS DESIGN has been over a year. It may look like a simple design, but simple takes a LOT of thought, planning, and preperation. And then it took nearly a whole year just looking for the right guy to prototype them for me. If I was basing individual unit cost on just that point alone, NO ONE could even hope to afford one of these things, and my prototype guy and myself would be the ONLY ones with one. Thankfully, I'm not, and I'm not that greedy. Though time is money, and my time is usually pretty expensive, this is something I think everyone should be able to have. So I'm forgetting about all my time into this, and concentrating on getting a batch made so others can have and enjoy one too.

It took 3 months to build the first one of these in my basement with hand tools just to see if it would work. It does, and works VERY well. Now I'm having them prototyped in METAL and not polymers. I'm not cutting corners. I figured since the concept proto worked so well, and the new prototypes are shaping up nicely, I'd offer to run some of these, and basically offer a few of them to the public, and especially to the select boards I frequent the most. But I need an idea as to how many I'll need to get run off. Hence my whole post, MINUS A PRICE FOR THEM, since I need to just get a general count for now to throw at the CNC shop for production costs.

This is simply me finding out if its even worth it to me to spend my hard earned cash for a run of these to stock. Since I would be footing the bill for a production run anyway. I wouldnt even offer these for sale unless I had them in hand. So let me be clear, that means paid in full for product completely machined, and anodized, before I even start offering them for sale. This way there's no problems whatsoever. No holdups due to production hiccups, and me not taking ANYONES money without product to ship them. I think thats just good business practice.

Most CNC shops have minimum numbers. So if I do wind up financing a production run of these(out of pocket that is), the minimum could be 500 pieces. It may cost me $11 a piece not including cost of aluminum, tooling and wear, jigs, and anodizing. And I'm footing the WHOLE bill, since I WONT take ANYONES money till I have them in hand. Do the math man. This stuff can get VERY expensive, VERY quick! And in a production shop, the ONLY way costs get reduced, is when you order MASSIVE numbers of pieces. Thats why I'm putting out the feelers, and was asking for responses of WHO WOULD WANT ONE? If 100 shooters want one, costs will be high. If more want one, then it gets cheaper. Either way I'm not looking to become rich with it. Just get it out there and give another option for a rear sight mount for semi blind guys like myself. :D

I'm leaving this post up for two weeks to generate my numbers needed for my production run. If anyones at all interested, please just post you might want one, and I'll add up the numbers, and post the final cost according to production costs. Pardon the rant, and THANKS GUYS!!

synweap223

Thanks for the advice Ismurphy. I appreciate it. So I'm not counting you, at all.
And I'll just keep looking for a cheap way to manufacture a few for the ones who want one. ;)

Just to let you know, in just two days, the "few" are numbering about 75(so far). So as stated, a small production run is probably in order. :D

Besides. People want to see it, and hear from the beta testErs as well. Thats coming soon.

Always check your spelling, and invest in good photographic equipment. A picture is worth a thousand words and your pictures haven't even told me what this thing actually looks like. First impressions are lasting impressions, and believe it or not, people will judge what you put out by the quality of your display and language skills. "testors" is "testers"

And another adds himself to the do not want list. Thats cool. And thanks for your advice. But as stated in the OP, please post here IF YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN OBTAINING ONE.

"A picture is worth a thousand words and your pictures haven't even told me what this thing actually looks like."
OK dude. I admit the pics are a bit blurry, which I apologized for, but as stated, they are TEASER pics of the PROTOTYPES and they still need the cross slots milled in the picatinny rail. Everyone else seems to get the design concept but you.

When I do get ready to actually SELL these to the guys and gals that are interested, first I'll be contacting all the web board owners I posted at for detailed info on what I need to do so I stay within their board rules and guidelines. And then I'll be sure to take some VERY clear pics of it mounted.(I guess I made another mistake there, because I figured that would also be kind of OBVIOUS)

I'm also trying to schedule a range trip with another AK shooter RIGHT NOW, so we can post some in use pics as well. These pics were posted so people could get an ADVANCE idea of what it is I designed, what my prototype guy is finishing making, and also to let me know how many people would ACTUALLY want one. That way when I go to the various production shops, I have a production number to work with.

As far as my grammar, I guess I'll have to freakin' start using spellcheck. :angel_sma I misspelled testErs,(my most sincere apologies everybody, I'll go fix my OP) and I guess thats just a dealbreaker for some. :sad_small

I'm no big business DarthAkSarBen. I'm just a guy that designed something that seems to work VERY well, and wanted to know if others out there might want one. I'm making an effort to offer it to others out there, rather than be the ONLY ONE (besides my prototype guy) that has one. And so far there does seem to be a few shooters out there that would like one as well, despite my poor pics and spelling skills. :small_gri

Again, thanks for the business advice!! I appreciate it!! Though next time could you please send it via PM?? :wink_smal

I might be interested in something like that.

very cool idea. People taking risks and trying new things is part of having freedom. Again a very good design.

wow way cool. if only i were better with peep sights.. but I am not

a legitimate question (for a change). if this mounts with a single screw, what indexes the other end of the rail? let us know how the ar buis cowitnesses with the ak sights.

Motorhead,

Thanks for the reply, and I'll try to answer your questions.

Its mounted with the rear stock screw, and will be machined to fit the lightening cut/slot in the rear trunnion. It is one mounting point, but sandwiched and indexed into the slot, so it wont move side to side.(pics 3-4, better ones coming soon) Some minor fitting will probably be required, since I'll be producing them slightly oversize to accomodate the different dimensions in the slot width across the different manufacturers. This was a problem I had to address, and this was/is the easiest way for me to allow it to fit as many rifle types as possible.

The original design was developed with a chopped AR A2 carry handle as the baseline for measurements.(pic 1) So any rear sight that is the same height as a A2 style should work just fine. The original measurements were set up to EXACTLY match the sight plane of AK stock sights set at 100 meters. I then took a hair more off of the height so that the front sight can even be lowered further in to the front sight tower to give a more centered sight picture. If this is not your cup of tea, then keep the front sight at its normal height, and raise the rear sight with the elevation drum.

Hope that helps!!

it does. good out of the box thinking.

This does seem a very economical way for those of us who aren't sure about peeps to experiment with them, as well as a clever mounting solution. I'm in for one at anything near your hoped for price.

Interested, and do you need an objective test subject?

A small update:


I have attempted contacting a couple of shops to get the production run of these started. Out of 4 shops I called upon, only one took the time and contacted me back. I'm VERY glad he did. I've done business with his business,(as have many here as well) and I'm looking forward to a great relationship with him. :small_gri

I am in talks right now, and think (rather KNOW) I have found a QUALITY shop to produce these. We will be going over the numbers hopefully soon, and I'll post shortly after what they will be going for.

To boot, his shop is well known here, and many other places for quality work. He's a gunner as well, and the owner stated "Those look cool" so he seems to like the ideas. I'll announce the shop shortly as well once all the I's are dotted and T's are crossed. I'm pretty sure everyone will like!! So its still under hat till then!!

I'll update again soon!!

I also have the beta testers chosen, and they'll be chiming in shortly as well. If I decide to add a couple more I'll post a request. STAY TUNED!!

I'm interested

I've been PMed and asked why I was so critical of you and your design, instead of answering each one I'll answer here.

Cool Murphy, more of the constructive criticisim. I'm thick skinned, I'm here, lay it on me.

1) Anyone with more than 3 minutes of photographic training will understand 'depth of field'. The eye or lens, both operate the same, is limited in it's ability to focus on a subject in the immediate foreground and at the same time the background or 'infinitey'. The aperature or iris can be manipulated to some degree to gain a greater depth of field but...for example take a macro lens, focus on a subject 2 inches away and try to get anything more that 12 inches away in focus, ain't happening. That's exaclty what you are attempting to do. Blu can back me on this.

The cell photos. I guess I do have to put in more camera time and get some better shots of this actually working and mounted to a rifle. You're right about that. I'll do my best at learning more about it. And if you have suggestions on getting the rear peep in focus as well as the front post, I'm all ears. :small_gri

2) Liability, the first time someone damages thier eye because this peep is too close you'll be sued. It will happen.

Yeah, you may be right on that too. Could very well occur. I guess I have to do a "Be Careful" pamphlet for those that actually NEED that stuff. That STILL doesnt mean I wouldnt want to make a few and give others an opportunity to enjoy it, rather than it being "just for me" and maybe my proto guy. And I'm giving it back to the boards that helped me when I started out building AK's. As stated, this rear rail isnt for everybody. I never meant it to be. The card carrying"Get That Crap Off Of My AK!" guys are the ones I KNEW wouldnt like this. Thats OK too. I'll have to take a pic of the prototype measured from the buttstock as well. AK's dont kick THAT hard. I'm pretty big,(and use tapco stuff :uhoh_smal ) And I have no problems because its still a couple inches away from my face during cheekweld. Points in pretty quick too, and the cheekweld didnt change(for me)

3) Your sight view is the same as taking a line and passing it through three objects, eye to peep to front sight, the greater the distance between those three items the straighter the line or the more accurate the shot will be.
No arguement from me there. Longer sight radius, = more accurate
4) You will be, my guess, religated to one type of style of peep. Between the cost of peep and your mount I'd just asume add and few bucks and buy a quality red dot.
Working on trying to prevent that"Expensive Accessory" syndrome too. Most of us have AR's as well, and we may have the sight already. If not look around. Theres a crapload of deals on cheap BUIS setups as well as the expensive flip ones. This gives you a CHOICE as to what you'd like to use, and how much you want to spend.

5) You have eliminated about 40% of all other styles of AK, AKMs. Not all tangs are the same in angle, shape, and some have no tangs at all, folders. milled, M70s etc...
Yup. Never said it was for everybody. All the non tang owners have other options. I even recommended other designs in the process. Some minor fitting may be required, BUT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS!

6) We are entering the worst time in American history for gun sales and sales of accessories. I'm telling you that we will see a ban in the next several months, you can choose to believe that or not.
You never know in this administration. All the more reason to get your rig ACCURATE! I'm trying to help other shooters with that.
7) We are about to enter the worst depression in American history, you can choose to believe that or not.
With the way things look, I wouldnt doubt it.

8) You'll sell a few but not near enough to recoop your losses.
[I]Maybe. But its still America, and I'm still trying!

It's up to you.
That for sure it is. I'll continue my endeavors, and you yours my friend. You're dissatisfaction with my design is more than aptly noted. And that means you get the added star -1 next to your name on release day. :sleep_sma
Thanks for the business advice as well.

[I]synweap223


Scott

Dense??

OK, you obviously want me to sink to your level and make a response to your personal attack. You can think I dont understand your comments, but if YOU could read, I asked you for advice and sought a better idea. You provided NONE. And then you just continue with the attacks. POS, Monstrosity. And I'm dense.These are your comments, and I wont play your game here Murph. You dont like my design, and you have that right. I wont sit still and be attacked and insulted though. I've turned the other cheeck once, thats about best you'll get from me.

The bottom line is you dont and wont ever have a clue. No matter how it looks to you, there's already others wanting to try this design out. You dont like it, but thats YOUR OPINION. Since you have never handled the product at all, how could you even possibly make a judgement on it?

If you cant come to grips with that then I'm truly sorry. I would have offered you a prototype to play with, but that would be a SERIOUS business boo boo of me now, since you're already predispositioned against it, and probably wouldnt accept it anyway.

I edited this post because after reading it, I feel like I have sunk to a level that I cannot live with. Things I said were out of pure spite, because of the feeling of being attacked/insulted. I wont let someone, or anyone do that to me again.

I'm continuing to edit my posts, because I feel NO need to even explain myself anymore. Much like my past, I'll just let my music do the talking. In essence, the product will speak for itself. The people who try it will either like it or they wont. Though I'm pretty confident they will.

I have been PM'd by blu, and he has had a couple of conversations with me now, and I think he has a pretty CLEAR understanding of how I roll. He's actually a VERY nice guy. I have no ill will towards anyone here. That includes you Murphy. You have the right not to like my stuff. But I dont want to get into these pissing matches with you anymore. Watch the coming posts for product updates.

I've been PMed and asked why I was so critical of you and your design, instead of answering each one I'll answer here.

1) Anyone with more than 3 minutes of photographic training will understand 'depth of field'. The eye or lens, both operate the same, is limited in it's ability to focus on a subject in the immediate foreground and at the same time the background or 'infinitey'. The aperature or iris can be manipulated to some degree to gain a greater depth of field but...for example take a macro lens, focus on a subject 2 inches away and try to get anything more that 12 inches away in focus, ain't happening. That's exaclty what you are attempting to do. Blu can back me on this.

2) Liability, the first time someone damages thier eye because this peep is too close you'll be sued. It will happen.

3) Your sight view is the same as taking a line and passing it through three objects, eye to peep to front sight, the greater the distance between those three items the straighter the line or the more accurate the shot will be.

4) You will be, my guess, religated to one type of style of peep. Between the cost of peep and your mount I'd just asume add and few bucks and buy a quality red dot.

5) You have eliminated about 40% of all other styles of AK, AKMs. Not all tangs are the same in angle, shape, and some have no tangs at all, folders. milled, M70s etc...

6) We are entering the worst time in American history for gun sales and sales of accessories. I'm telling you that we will see a ban in the next several months, you can choose to believe that or not.

7) We are about to enter the worst depression in American history, you can choose to believe that or not.


8) You'll sell a few but not near enough to recoop your losses.

It's up to you.


Scott

Yep.

i like the over 40 part of your parable, Scott. I can't see shit, either. But I sure can think more clearly. Red Dots and extra batteries. Control your engagements. Rely on much more than a primary battle rifle, or it's sights.

and God Bless those satan worshiping, CPA/Lawyer employing, photogenically challenged typo masters. Separating the Tare from the Wheat becomes so easy these days. Talk about forest for the trees. Oh Boy.

Hats of to new friend Darth up there, come on back and join us for some tea, deputy! We got yer back.

personally, i hate long eye relief. this is interesting for that reason. let us know how you're coming along.

The prototypes have landed. (Thanks deth502!!) They look NICE!! I'll be having some pics taken before they're shipped to the beta testers. If you're one of them, I'll be contacting you by the weekend. :small_gri

These first prototypes are cut slightly small, so that the front sight can be lowered a bit giving a more centered sight picture up front during zero. The next ones will be set slightly higher. Using an A2 rear sight the large aperture is good from 0-200 meters, flip to the smaller and its dead on at 300. I'll post more info later on how far it adjusts.

Beta tester opening!! One slot open!! Contact via PM for details!!!

Do you have a standard stocked AK, with a lot of front sight cant to the left?? Do you own an AR BUIS?? If that sounds like a rifle you own and a sight you have, I may need to talk to you about testing something for me. :small_gri

Still need a beta tester!! Read the above and PM me if you're interested!!

PM sent incase no one was able to help.

The prototypes have landed!! Here's some more teasers. I'll post the good pics on Monday. Its the daughters birthday today so I'm doing this under wifes radar. :grin:

The 4 prototypes, and one sitting on a Tantal rear trunnion. Far right is a offset prototype for some lucky guy to test that has a bunch of left front sight cant. If that sounds like you and you have an AR BUIS, CONTACT ME!! That one is still up for grabs for testing. :D
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff220/synweap223/100_3814.jpg

Another shot with a side view. Same setup.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff220/synweap223/100_3817.jpg

Monday I'll post a few on a rifle with my BUIS mounted. Keep watching, I'll update soon!!

P.S.
Figured I'd update to add, drawings and blueprints for this design are copywrited and PAF!!

well done dude! what are you thinking price wise for production model? you should post these over on calguns, i think you'll get a real positive response.

Working on it guys. As soon as I know prices, you will, I PROMISE!! :D

Dude that is sweet and I like it when people have ideas to improve things (especially AK's) so you got a ATTA BOY from me. If it gets good reviews or I hear good things about it I'll definitely buy it. My problem is I have a Arsenal SAM 7R which is a milled reciever and the majority of the great products out there don't fit my rifle. Anyways keep on keepin on.

I like your idea and would be interested in having one. I've been forced to use peep sights for the past 10 years on my muzzleloaders for hunting, the state I live in won't allow us with aging eyes to use optics. A peep on an AK would be great. I hope your setup will allow the option of a ghost ring apeture. I find the ghost ring works best for my eyes. Keep me in mind for testing and let me know when I can buy one.

LUMOX

Updates?

A small update from work.(My NORMAL job :D )

Been trying to find a supplier for raw unslotted picatinny rail for quite a while now, but as close to my required measurements as possible. Unfortunately that is just about impossible, since the stock .650 height is about all that can be found, and no taller seems to be available. Which means I either have to have it machined from barstock, or a custom die made for an extrusion process. Either one costing big, and bigger $$. This isnt dead yet, just stalled for the moment. Three more companies have been approached and drawings provided, and I'm awaiting replies with quotes.

I WILL be producing some of these VERY soon, one way or another, and more than likely by the new year. Even if I have to buy a small mill myself and do it all in house. :sidegrin_ When things are hindering my progress, I'm doing my best at finding ways around them. I'm also doing all R&D myself on these (I'm not, nor do I own a company) so this takes quite a bit of time to dial in the design and changes/alterations needed. I'm on update 3 now and the design is now VERY close to perfect. I cant even begin to explain how frustrating the process is attempting to design, prototype, have built, and market a new product, but I'm learning along the way and working through it.

Thanks for your patience guys, its been killing me with how long its taking, and a labor of love right now that I promise to share. I'll be sure to announce any updates as soon as they come through.

synweap223

I wish you luck.

While I am still undecided on the concept, I have to echo what others have said on the mechanics of bringing a product to market.

1. People do not buy your product, they buy the picture of your product. If your photo and your prose do not create excitement, you will not sell them. Understand this before proceeding.

2. The AK market generally includes the cheapest, least sophisticated people in the gun community. Those who are interested in discussing the technical features of using and constructing AKs are already in the top 5%. Like it or not, this is your market. They have been there, done that, and have solid experience with AK. While you may disagree with their opinions, it would be unwise to discount them as irrelevant.

3. The firearms market in general is at its slowest point I have seen in 20 years. Few people are spending any money right now.

4. Nobody has ever heard of you, so you cannot sell based on a reputation. Hopefully, that will come.

5. Your production is dependent on others producing what you want, the way you want, in a timely manner. You will discover the good shops are backed up with work, those who can take your order are available because they haven't got the business . . .. it pays to wonder why.

I suggest you get a dozen made and send them out to people to use and evaluate, LISTEN to them, and then determine if its worth continuing.

I have found 200 units is the minimum production run with 500 units necessary for the next drop in price (usually costs same to do 200 as 100, as thats when the drawings and tooling is amortized). I have manufactured some products that were absolutely the best available anywhere, but due to the extremely small market, taken me 2-5 years to sell the 200 units.

Whether the product is worthy or not is a separate issue from the mechanics of producing and marketing it.

First off, to Mark,

Thank you so much for replying to this thread, and for your advice. I respect your opinions and will take them to heart. Everything you stated is now saved, and I'll be referring to it and working from your suggestions (as well as others) throughout this process. :D

I also have to say, I'm listening to, absorbing, and saving every bit of info offered, as well as any design change suggestions. This idea was mine, but its the end users that are helping me develop this into a workable unit. To all of you for your suggestions, a heartfelt thanks.

Second.

Here's the most recent update on whats up.

I have FINALLY found a machine shop that will fit the prototype and production requirements, and wont be RAPING me on the price for the work. They are using HAAS CNC machines, and I just arrived home after meeting the owner and inspecting the production shop as well as their products. I'm VERY happy to say that this company doesnt just hold tolerance, they are right on the money measurement wise to their drawings that I verified with a caliper myself. Their quality control is excellent, and they're gun friendly too. They are now doing the CAD from my drawings, generating the code for the CNC, building the tool plate for production, and will begin tooling on the first of December with 20 updated prototypes for testing. I'm very glad to say that once the beta test phase is done, this product should be in production (barring any changes necessary) by the first month of the new year!!

The product will be machined from T6 barstock, anodized black, and will come with a roll pin to keep the original rear sight spring down and out of the sight picture. Some fitting may be required due to slight dimensional differences due to country of manufacture.

I'll be crunching numbers for final cost AFTER beta testing, and I'm doing my best to keep it as affordable as possible. I'll post that info as soon as I can.

Stay Tuned!

Doug N.
synweap223

I like a traditional looking AK & would not be interested in putting a AR sight on my AK - With that said i think you have a winner bro! - Very nice, simple & well executed idea/product! - I have seen a similar product (Tech sights?) that mounts a AR style sight on a AK, I'll bet when he first came out with that he was getting the same thing, "nobody will buy that", "nice idea but you'll go broke getting it to market" well, i doubt if he's lost any money with his idea that will never sell!! - I bet a Aimpoint with a cantilever mount would be another way one could go with your setup

ok id love to see that with a Docter holo sight on it.

the AR style site may be too bulky, too much crap blocking your view.

but a small holo like a docter or fastfire II would work out ok.

and i wouldnt get rid of the rear sight, just cowitness the holo to them.

Interesting idea, I'll have to keep watching this one...

LOL!!! HI Murphy!! Back again I see!! :tongue_sm

Posted a couple weeks ago my progress. Re-read the thread. The latest and final design prototypes will be landing by Christmas. I've been hard at work with the regular job making stuff to protect our guys in the sandbox, so these things take time. You of all people know that.

And no, it isnt easy, but I will persevere. Lots and lots of requests for them still, and by the new year, I'll fill those requests. :D

I made up my mind that these will be PERFECT before I get them to market. Hence the 3 different design changes during R&D. I'm happy to say that they now are on the money, and I'll be fondling the 20 prototypes by the weekend. Keep watching. More info coming, and I have a meeting with my machinist today. :D

southernboy, with the addition of a small riser, a DR.Optic or Firesight would be easily mounted. I'll see If I can get my hands on one for a few pics when the protos land.(that Murphy will most likely hate :laugh_sma )

Follow your dreams..

I wish i had a passion for something...

Looking forward to ordering a BUIS ....I've sure spent more money on worse ideas :laugh_sma

Absolute hands down worse AK advent ever created- in history. This isn't just horrible crossbreeding an AK with an AR to produce something so ugly that only Buddy at Tapco could love, but worse, the damn sight is sitting at the tip of your nose. The sight picture will be blurry and obstruct your field of view. Horrible, absolutely horrible. This is even worse than an FAL rear sight- which so far has been champs as far as crap sight designs.

I've owned AK's for a decade or better, owned nearly every variant, and my only complaint is the blade type rear sight which is absolute shit. In addition I've owned every major weapon system on the planet, AR's, SIG's, HK's, FAL's, M1A's, AK's- which prior only the FAL would have been the worse design. However adding an AR sight is not the answer. You simply need to make an RPK style sight available in 800m and 1000m that has a peep style aperature instead of a blade.

I have one of the rare windage adjustable Kreb's rear peep sights- it is lightyears and I mean lightyears ahead of this monstrosity of a Tapco esque AR to AK hybrid being abortioned in this thread.

This guy made an innovative, new product. Regardless of how effective or practical it is, if you don't want it, quit giving the guy crap. There is no reason why he should have to defend himself. If you don't want it you will not buy it and therefore should have no interest in it so there is no point in talking down to the guy who made it.

Man..I am or was one of your greatest admirers..the skills you have, the stockmaking(woodworking) abilities..you had(and still have) it all..

Things are tough ..I get it,But insulting every member of the files is not a goal you need to have.

You made your opinion real clear the first time..

I'll be 58 this year, I've seen most everything..what I'm seein from you is destructive behavior..for your own sake, dial it down.

You most likely can't see it,but I've got nothing to gain from this post except to offer some advice to one of the good guys.

I don't expect you to heed it, but maybe a lil seed gets planted

Super busy at work, and its taken a LONG time, but FINALLY picking up the prototypes Saturday!! So heres a little bit of good Karma for one of you guys. :small_gri

Next post here gets a free one!!

PM me AFTER posting in the thread with your info and one will be on the way to you Monday!!


Also, thanks guys for sticking up for me as well as my little idea, its appreciated. But I have to state, I'm really THRIVING on the negativity. Because I've already had a few people tell me it wouldnt work, and the look on their faces when I showed them IT DOES is priceless!! I'm thick skinned, so it doesnt bother me that the net warriors dont dig this idea. I kind of expected it. But thats GREAT! More left for others willing to experiment!!

I'm still figuring costs for a full blown production run. That will take me a bit to set up. So please guys, if you think you might want one LET ME KNOW. PM or e-mail is fine. Thanks!!

me me me!

Aw drat. Well if Dogshark falls off a cliff, I'm next

Mark,

Please contact me at synweap223@yahoo.com. I think I can get you hooked up. :wink_smal

Doug N.
synweap223

Again, I have been e-mailed with the "your sight sucks" stock mail and rather than send a reply back, I'll just put it out here for all to read.

This idea was simple, and effective. And its already proven to work. But there seems to be a batch of purists that really HATE the idea of using an AR BUIS on an AK. Understood. Free country and all. You dont like it. And I'm OK with that.

But many people speak about its percieved shortcomings WITHOUT EVER EVEN HANDLING ONE, and suddenly they're acting like experts. Peeps too close (not for me) looks ugly (so's an AK in general compared to others) Tapco crap (mines metal, not polymer) I really dont have to explain it in detail. Either you want one or you dont. And all the wind from the naysayers just fills the sails, and sends me further along my path.

So as far as these posts filled with baseless knowledge go, just watch over the next few weeks when the lucky few that are in on the ground floor get theirs to wring out, and read THEIR reviews and responses. They'll be the ones with opinions to believe.

Thanks again to all for the time, and advice. I'm taking it all in. And hopefully soon, I'll get a full blown production run going. I'm doing this all on my own dime and time, and I appreciate the patience you've all had with this little project. :small_gri

Doug N.
synweap223

synweap223,

I'd be very interested in testing one for you.

ROOSKI

I would be interested in buying one when it gets into production. :cool_smal

Won't help me as all my AK's are Yugo's.....AND I Still might buy one just to help shine on your attackers!!! Pretty infantile to flame you for marketing something, it's not like you're trying to force anyone to buy it.

Nice, I think that I would be interested in trying one of these,

let us know what you've gotta get for them. i'm interested but money's tight this month.
BTW-glad to see you followed through on these.