DO NOT LOOK!!! if you have a weak stomach!

[19kilo]

Our TF just finished up our Active Harvest Operation here in BiH. In one Opstina we brought in more that 350 rifles. Here are some pix of the destruction "ceremony".

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1073.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1074.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1075.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1076.JPG

More follow...

[19kilo]

more below...

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1077.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1084.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1085.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1086.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1088.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1090.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~tahrndt/DeploymentPictureIndex_files/30_Nov03/slides/IMG_1093.JPG

After the crushing they were then smelted down to paperweights.

It was truly a sad day. :sad_small

[Carp Killer]

Whose stupid idea was this. I smell either the UN (anti-gun country) or some "political correct" grandstanding. Wouldn't it have been better to have KVAR, FAC or some other company employ the locals to torch cut, bag up and send those parts over here? What a waste. :mad_small

[coltshorty14]

Whomever's idea that was should have their head ran over by a tank!

[Packrat]

Glad to know that our tax dollars are being spent wisely this
way, rather than bringing them back to the US and waiving
the $200 transfer fee for them. (Since we've already paid to
capture them, the only cost for them should be the shipping
cost; we're already paying the wages for the troops that would
be packing them up, at least.

[19kilo]

It was the RS's idea. These are weapons that came out of the RS. Before you go down a road you know nothing about...you better at least understand the differences between the Federation Opstinas and their military forces and the Republica Srpska Opstinas with the population ratios in each.
When we conducted this operation it was with full support of the RS, in an RS opstina. The populace turned these over to our forces in good faith that they would be destroyed. There were no gun buy back programs, no kicking in doors, and the operation was conducted from 0900-1700hrs so no one was awakened at 0330hrs and dragged out of their house.
If are lamenting a small loss of history, I am right there with you. The Thompsons that I have seen have been in great shape. If you are ranting because you think that every weapon should be out in circulation with the local nationals...then you have lost me there. These weapons are illegal according the BiH law. If you do not like BiH law, move over here, become a politician (they already have about 150 political parties) and change THEIR laws. Is is a good thing if Americans have illegal weapons?
Should someone be prosecuted for possesing a dozen illegally converted AKs or ARs?
Good Luck

[havoc]

Is is a good thing if Americans have illegal weapons?
Should someone be prosecuted for possesing a dozen illegally converted AKs or ARs?
Good Luck

It is a VERY good thing if Americans ignore the vast array of highly unconstitutional laws and keep any arm they choose. Gun control on any level is an abject failure that NEVER has the effect promised. So no, people should NOT be prosecuted for possessing a dozen, or even ten thousand 'illegally' converted AKs or ARs.

[Bearwhositshere]

It is a VERY good thing if Americans ignore the vast array of highly unconstitutional laws and keep any arm they choose. Gun control on any level is an abject failure that NEVER has the effect promised. So no, people should NOT be prosecuted for possessing a dozen, or even ten thousand 'illegally' converted AKs or ARs.
I would add this: It is what they do with the weapon that makes it a problem or not. Not that they have them. But know this, I am not about telling other countries how to ruin their lives. As I would expect other countries (and the UN) to stay the hell out of our lives.

[Packrat]

In case there was any doubt, my cheek was so full of tongue there was hardly room for teeth.

[Ugh]

19kilo,

Guess there is no way you could remove the pistol grip and handguards from the Yugo AK's before the gun is destroyed and bring them back?

There is a lot of interest in the Yugo handguards and pistol grips!

[TheRealSundance]

I think I am going to be sick.

[Krinkfreak]

HOLY FREAKING SHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Total Madness !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[upyurak]

geez guys just think those photos could be your hometown a few years from now if some anti gun shithead like hilary klinton got in to the big office. god i`m going to puke.

[Herr Doktor]

That is "Your Town-USA" if the Liberals have their way!!!

How'd you like to see your AK-AR-Enfield-Mauser-Etc in that line?

Not me!

[sdcromer]

If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective. :tongue_sm

[Sammoh]

Erg... Umm... I'm new to this forum and umm, I guess I'll have something more intelligible to say once I recover from the shock of seeing all those firearms destroyed.

[TheBigCA]

sniff :(

[torque65]

This sucks Hillary Clinton's armpits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:headbang:

[Gene]

Soon coming to a neighborhood near you.

[Mephis]

If they wana take my guns, they will have to go through alot of men to get em, i have alot o friends, and one even has a Dealers license and a vintage M60E, so they wont be getting out guns here anyways for a LONG time.

[snake54]

I bet they still work! After all, they are AK's.

[Rudy]

Dear 19kilo:
I don't know who you are. I pray that you are not an American. Your views on firearms ownership are totally out of line with the rest of us. If you ever really read our constitution you would know that God gave each of us certain rights. the constitution guarantes those rights. I believe that most American gun owners feel like I do. There are no illegal firearms, just illegal laws. Rant over. Rudy out :AR15firin

[Freezer]

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

[m03]

The amount of damage the tank did to the AKs was much less severe than I would have expected. It looks like it just bent the barrel a little on most of them.

There were some pretty old machine guns among those lying there. Noticed the Thompson subguns, and it looked like some STEn subguns were in the tanks path as well.

[bill3542]

Not a rant but how as a american soldier can you tell youself this was right.and they wonder why we dont trust the govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ned]

I guess the Ebay option is out!? (sniffle)

[Nickle]

Unfortunately he probably is an American. I would guess a member of the Army, an M1 Tank Crewman, if I'm not mistaken. That isn't an M1 in the picture though. A T64/72 or newer, I believe. Don't blame 19Kilo, he's just doing his job. Blame the scumbag politicians, and the unaccountable United Nations. Only the UN is worse than BATF or the FBI.

[1saxman]

Where did this happen? What is 'Bih'? Isn't that a Russian T72 tank? Who are these guys - they don't look U.S.

[Saleen]

Someone needs to photoshop Diane Fienstein's face on the tank driver. Just make sure you photoshop some daisy's in that tank barrel too. :D


Nickle,

19Kilo is the MOS for an M1 tank crewman, correct. As far as him being an American, I'm not sure. Some of his sentence structure suggests that he is not, but perhaps that is just public education seeping through ;) I think his profile says he's in MN.

As far as the Tank ID, that is a Soviet block T-55. It is generally the same as a T-54 except that it has the bore evacuator added to the main gun (note the cannister for the last couple of feet of the main gun barrel). T-62s also appeared very similar in turret and hull profile, but the bore evacuator moved down to the 1/3rd mark of the barrel from the tip. T-54s and T-55s comprised the largest portion of Iraq's tank corps from what I remember. That is to say that I saw more of them blown to crap than I did T-72s :D

The T-64s, T-72 (most widely exported even to this day) have a larger 125mm main gun and a smaller turret profile. The T-72 was the export version of the T-64 I think. Very similar but without some of the top shelf fire control systems.

I am working on memory from better than 10 years so some of the details on export versions, electronics, etc. could be off. The information on turret profiles and such I am certain of however. It got drilled into my head enough back then. And yes, I am/was a 19K from 87-91.


Saleen

[OODA_Loop]

Obstina is the local language meaning municipality; it can be city or county authority, depending upon the size.

These are ethnic Serbs in the Serbian portion of Bosnia - the "Republika Srpska" ("Republic of Serb" !). There is also an American soldier visible in the photographs.

Weapons destroyed under 'Harvest' - a long-running program - are VOLUNTARILY turned in by the former combatants or possessors, not by kicking down doors.

FWIW 'Harvest' is only a PR success - the last time I visited Sarajevo I saw Skorpions, hand grenades, Yugo AK's, MP5's, and other small arms in (illegal) private possession.

[m03]

Weapons destroyed under 'Harvest' - a long-running program - are VOLUNTARILY turned in by the former combatants or possessors, not by kicking down doors.

FWIW 'Harvest' is only a PR success - the last time I visited Sarajevo I saw Skorpions, hand grenades, Yugo AK's, MP5's, and other small arms in (illegal) private possession.


So, have these weapons been made illegal by the government/officials/whoever?


I supposed if the U.S. governement ever declares that all semi-auto AKs are considered illegal, then I'd either have to turn mine in voluntarily, or be considered a criminal for possessing illegal weapons.

Just because they turn weapons in voluntarily doesn't necessarily mean they weren't under duress to do so.

[Okie]

Saleen, thank you. *Salute*

[gp35fn]

Wow-whole lot of history and money getting destroyed there!

[Story]

from the July 10, 2006 edition

Bosnia's leftover guns: Sell, give, destroy?
The US wants to give the weapons to Afghan forces after previous sales to Iraq went missing.
By Beth Kampschror | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

SARAJEVO, BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA – What's been called the biggest arms transfer since World War II - the shipping of leftover weapons from Bosnia's 1992-1995 war to combat zones in the Middle East and elsewhere - may not have come to an end, despite a year-old moratorium on Bosnian arms sales.

As a UN conference on small arms wrapped up last week, key policymakers reviewed the UN's 2001 action program to end the illegal arms trade, but were unable to come up with a final document or recommendations.

"It is a known fact that in the 1990s, out of 49 major conflicts, 47 were waged with small arms and light weapons - and that most of the conflicts were exacerbated by the availability of illegal small arms," conference head Prasad Kariyawasam of Sri Lanka told the press before the conference.

The UN estimates that one-quarter of the $4 billion annual global arms trade is illicit. But experts are also concerned about legal trades, particularly from Bosnia before the moratorium. The concerns are heightened in light of an Amnesty International report in May that detailed a 2004 Bosnia-to-Iraq shipment of thousands of guns that apparently went missing in a maze of subcontractors.

The Bosnian and US governments are discussing gifting a shipment of Bosnia's familiar Soviet-type weapons to Afghanistan. But small arms expertswould like to see Bosnia's weapons destroyed rather than exported, and to end the post-cold war flow of arms from Eastern Europe to conflict zones around the world.

Until the moratorium began last summer, some 290,000 small arms and light weapons and 64 million rounds of ammunition in Bosnia were exported from Bosnia's stockpiles, mostly to Iraq, according to EU peacekeepers.

"Afghan and Iraqi forces have a long history of Soviet-era weapons, and, accordingly, acquisition of these types were selected because of their familiarity, compatibility, and ease of maintenance for the rapid re-establishment of the respective forces," says US Department of Defense spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Joe Carpenter. "Consequently, in many instances, we have gone to suppliers in many other nations which have available weaponry that fulfill the requirements."

Amnesty International highlighted one of the US Department of Defense's Bosnia weapons shipments in a May report that detailed a dizzying array of contractors and subcontractors hired to bring some 99 tons of automatic assault rifles from Bosnia to Iraq, to arm the Iraqi military and police.

According to the report, the Department of Defense contracted the Alabama-based company Taos, which then subcontracted a Bulgarian firm, which, in turn, subcontracted the Moldovan-registered company Aerocom to ship the weapons to Iraq in August 2004. But Aerocom lost its air operation certificate one day before the shipments were to begin, because of European Union concerns about air safety and security. According to the Amnesty report, Aerocom was also linked with the notorious arms dealer Viktor Bout, who has been blacklisted by both the UN and the US Treasury Department for his role in supplying arms to conflict-riddled areas of Africa.

Four flights left the US-controlled Eagle Base in northern Bosnia in August 2004; Amnesty researchers, however, could find no proof of the guns actually arriving in Iraq.

Who has the weapons - US defense contractors, insurgents in Iraq, or warring factions in Africa or elsewhere - remains a mystery. In spite of the report, the Bosnian defense ministry says they are still considering donating weapons now that the sales moratorium has left them two options of getting rid of their surplus. (EU peacekeepers here estimate that the reform-related downsizing this year will create a surplus of about 190,000 weapons.) "The first is destruction, and the second is donations to other countries," says ministry spokesman Antun Mrkonjic. "We're currently in the phase of considering the idea of donating a certain quantity of weapons to the government of Afghanistan, among other places."

The attitude counters that of the UN agency that has helped destroy some 90,000 small arms and light weapons from Bosnia's stockpiles as of late last year. "The international community prefers destroying rather than exporting," says Amna Berbic, small arms and light weapons project manager at the UN Development Program. But another Amnesty report last year highlighted a US-European Union rift on the question of what to do with Bosnia's stockpiles.

Just days after EU peacekeepers took over from the US-led NATO force in late 2004, the Bosnian government cancelled a weapons transfer to Baghdad that had been earlier agreed to with the US NATO commander. The US Embassy in Sarajevo refused requests for interviews. "Weapons procured for [Bosnia-Herzegovina (BiH)] for the purpose of supporting Coalition efforts are obtained and transported in accordance with BiH law and the Dayton Accords," the embassy said in a statement.

Even if the transfers are legal, one expert says they're just a permutation of the post-cold war problem of arms flowing out of Eastern Europe to the world's conflict zones. "If this is legal, then those guns, if they are missing, are a classic example of how the legal deal will affect the illegal market," says Rebecca Peters, the director of the International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA), a global network of some 500-plus NGOs working to stop the proliferation of small arms and light weapons.

The former Yugoslavia may have been an end point for arms while wars raged here in the 1990s, but now some of the countries - namely Bosnia and Serbia - are exporting weapons. "It's the classic scenario. It's not unexpected." Ms. Peters says. "It's only a matter of time before it transpires that an American soldier is killed by a weapon that the Americans brought to Afghanistan, or Iraq."

[AKer]

Well, heres what i never got,

the north hollywood shootout was "bad", so the liberal (at that time) government decides, "hey, these guys went crazy with machine guns, lets ban them from the public", so, there idea to fix the problem was "lets give the people who are NOT responsible (the coppers) for your safety 600 machine guns, and take the guns from the people who ARE responsible for your safety(you and me)."

can anyone tell me HOW they were able to come to that, as being the BEST POSSIBLE soloution?

[Windustsearch]

The ultimate symbol of tyranny, privately owned firearms collected by force and run over with a weapon the public is not allowed to touch....a tank.

[robdog]

True that

[fraxxian]

I blame the UN

[creator0203]

Ill take them all, PM sent!........................o................wait ...............the tank didnt stop........................F!#KERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[AKer]

lol.

they ran over a few AK's, but another 100,000 was just made somewhere else, damn, they sure are changing the world! more or less just changing old for new.

[Saleen]

The AKs don't so much bother me, but the MP-40s, Thompsons, and other historical arms which cannot be found in droves the globe over kind of piss me off.


Saleen

[AKBLUE]

LOL! :huh_small Now I know where the AK's with the canted gas tubes and sight blocks come from.

[AK4ME]

And I see they distroryed those terrible ,full auto bolt action rifles. Don't you think they could of at least sent those over here. :confused: :confused:

[haze99]

As stated, this is for "show", for we know there are ALOT more weapons floating around the former Yugoslavia, than some care to imagine. (Iraq and Afghanistan as well!) Those who called for this little show, know they could make money off the sale of these. They just did not have the insight of this board in conducting the transaction!
Look at the close up photo of the Kalashnikov's. Note from left to right, Yugoslav M-70 (AK-47) with buttstock removed, M-70AB2 (AKMS) Bulgarian AKKS (AKS-47) Romanian Model-1963 (AKMS) with Yugoslav M-70 series rifle-grenade launcher attached!, last two are Yugoslav M-70B1 (AKM) rifles, nice condition all of them! Ah, one mans junk, anothers treasure! (Though with the PPsh-41 and M-56, this is like a gold mine!)

[Tapeo1]

Well, heres what i never got,

the north hollywood shootout was "bad", so the liberal (at that time) government decides, "hey, these guys went crazy with machine guns, lets ban them from the public", so, there idea to fix the problem was "lets give the people who are NOT responsible (the coppers) for your safety 600 machine guns, and take the guns from the people who ARE responsible for your safety(you and me)."

can anyone tell me HOW they were able to come to that, as being the BEST POSSIBLE soloution?


California's assualt rifle ban went into effect before the North Hollywood shootout. It was brought about by the January 1989 school shooting in Stockton, CA. Republican Governor George Deukmejian signed the bill into law. This was the same year that George Bush Sr signed into law the 1989 federal assualt rifle ban that banned the importation of foreign assualt rifles. Ronald Reagan signed the 1986 federal ban on the manufacture of machine guns for the civilian market.

[ezln]

i think its stupid that we destroy kalashnikovs and ammo, then buy some for our allies in iraq. we could save some cash by just sending that stuff to our freinds.

[glock4me]

This looks like the work of the Cali. AlquadaCrats to me :o

[partymember]

.........meanwhile thousands and thousands of farmers are ravaged by bandits every yaer. Who's responsible? Let's see, could it be, SATAN?

[Bret]

If someone is so untrusting of himself that he voluntarily turns over his guns to the authorities, then I really don't think he is smart enough to own guns. The crime here is that the guns were destroyed. They should be sent to those of us who do trust ourselves.

[AKfanatic]

i think im gonna throw up.

[Ninjacat]

Henry Bowman where are you!?!

[Master Blaster]

That is "Your Town-USA" if the Liberals have their way!!!

How'd you like to see your AK-AR-Enfield-Mauser-Etc in that line?

Not me!

I would'nt see my rifle in that line cause the only way they would have it would be to pick it from my dead fingers. Any man that is against guns is against america as i see it and they can die a slow death for all i care. Just cause they sit on there fat asses in some chair and make rules dont mean we have to follow them. If you want to know the truth i think there would be a second american civil war if they tried to take away our right to bear arms.

[creator0203]

[Quote]If you want to know the truth i
think there would be a second american civil war if they tried to take
away our right to bear arms.[Quote]
+1

[Accurizer]

We gun owners too quickly accept "reasonable" gun control laws. Such laws really started just after the U.S. Civil War. They were racist and meant to keep guns out of the hands of newly freed slaves. Then as time went on, people forgot "why" they were there and legislators simply added a few more laws on top of them. Except that the new laws affected everyone.

Since they were still 'reasonable', no one complained.

However, that little crack in the dam allowing a few drops of water has turned into a torrent today. It's like getting nicked with a small razor blade. No big deal. But over time a nick here, a nick there and next thing you know you're bleeding to death.

What needed to happen "back then" as the first gun laws started being promulgated, was for gun owners then to quietly kill the legislators responsible. Sounds drastic? Re-read Thomas Jefferson's quote about the "tree of liberty" often needing to be watered with blood.

Now, today, with over 20,000 laws (and counting) on the books infringing this supposedly un-infringable right, it's kind of difficult to use the Second Amendment for what it was designed to do without staging a well-coordinated second American Revolution. And 'well coordinated' will never happen.

[Koyotejager]

Ressurection is good for the soul.

[545x39]

the more of this kind of stuff i see the more i think about going jeremiah johnson.

im going to the mountains and im never coming back,and god have mercy on any man who stumbles upon me with ill intent.

[insider]

What a waste of good guns. Rebecka Peters is a douche bag.

[veprk5.45]

Fact is, there are uncountable weapons out there that we could be enjoying if it wasnt for the batf........



But no one or no body say shit! I do not understand

[scaldwellk]

I'll still take them. Really, I bet I could still get alot of good parts.

[FL-AK]

Damn I wish I wouldn't have looked.

[Coach]

Ship 'em all to Iran.

[Black_Wolf]

:cry_small

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh52/Black_Wolf67/x-pile_of_kalisnikov_rifles_burns_a.jpg

[Nac56]

If my serbian freind saw this happening he woudl be pissed and call those people who turned there guns in idiots, he lived through the civil war, That is why I wil never EVER give my guns away

[scaldwellk]

Ship me that Chinese with the underfolder bayo.

[eastendergrant]

they ran over a few AK's, but another 100,000 was just made somewhere else, damn, they sure are changing the world! more or less just changing old for new.


Exactly! A guy at my gun club has been helping the Police here cut up siezed guns with a hydraulic clipper. He's a bit of a fucktard and thinks it's ok as they're now "contraband" I just told his dumb ass that everytime he pulls the lever, some guy in Russia does the same and 100 AK's drop out.

[jvttlus]

Thank god these weapons have been disabled. If even one death from an accidental firearm discharge was prevented, it was worth it.

[scaldwellk]

Thank god these weapons have been disabled. If even one death from an accidental firearm discharge was prevented, it was worth it.
WTF??????????????????????????????

[bohnscot]

WTF??????????????????????????????
its ok scaldwellk
its sarcasm

[tenfeathers]

Dam they need to put the idoit that thought up that under the tracks,sheeeeeeesh

[expendable47]

The day this happens is America is the day when the Civil War2 begins...I am 100% sure of that...there are toooo many gun lovers all over the nation....

This action only proves that the milled Yugo AK are far wayyyyy superior than the stamped receiver...not even a scratch on the milled receiver !!!

[driftingbosco]

oh god why admin kill this post kill this post oh god i feel my soul dying

[L.T.]

"Don't blame 19Kilo, he's just doing his job. "


yea, and when they come to your house, and kick in your door, and take your guns, dont be mad, their "just doing their job" . while were at it the indians shouldnt be mad at the soldiers who stomped in their kids heads, and raped and killed their wemon. hey they were " just doing their job". how do you think hitler was able to take over most of europe? because of ppl. "just doing their job". i'm all for our soldiers, and i'm thankfull for what they do. but when ppl. use the "just doing my job" line to justify doing crap that that shouldnt be done, thats BS! the goverment in this country would have NO power to enforce the ilegal/unconstitutional laws that they have passed if it wernt for ppl "just doing their job" and its mentallity like that thats going to let them do the same thing here that they have done in so many other places in the world! wake up and quit being stupid

[essohbe]

Someone needs to photoshop Diane Fienstein's face on the tank driver.

Here you go!


http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/essohbe/assholes.jpg

[Blackdog1216]

Here you go!


http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/essohbe/assholes.jpg


Essohbe,

I did one too.

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa349/blackdog1216/tankrunningoverguns2withfeinstein.jpg

[essohbe]

LOL. Nice! All I could find was pictures of her head and shoulders.

[shifty_85]

Eh there AK's hit them with a hammer bend it back and its good as new!

it is sad thoe :(

i would have glady taken those for free and used them!

[Dysfunction]

Absolutely outrageous.

[Slick]

Who cares? This happened in some dipsh*t country where the people are too Lilly-livered and low brow stupid to even deserve to own guns… :laugh_sma

There were probably just as many (maybe more) AK’s put back into service last weekend by patriotic Americans who bought receiver flats, a jig, and a sixpack. And they'll do it again this coming weekend..

[partymember]

Ship me that Chinese with the underfolder bayo.

i'll take the Thompsons!

[hammerhead1937]

Isn't this the same kind of thing Hitler did before he plowed over Europe?