My Saiga .223 adapted to take AR mags.

Fast, easy, and dead nuts reliable. No other parts to buy. Instead of 3 Saiga mags, you can buy an adapter and 4 AR mags, You're already ahead of the game.

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0342.jpg

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0341.jpg

And it will still use your Saiga mags

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0368.jpg

http://magnoliastatearmory.com/products-page/magnoliastatearmory/saiga-ar-adapter/
They have a temporary or permanent adapter...

Saiga AR Adapter
AR2KS223 (Saiga)

Hard anodized aluminum .223 AR magazine adapter for the Saiga.

This adapter allows you to utilize popular metal and polymer .223 AR15 magazines in Saiga platform. The adapter features a ambidextrous mechanism for "Drop Free" release. Constructed of 6061 Aluminum. Anodized Black.

*Saiga .223 requires modification to the trunnion

*Does not count towards 922r compliance

*Does not count towards 922r compliance

It does when there's mags in it.

http://magnoliastatearmory.com/products-page/magnoliastatearmory/saiga-ar-adapter/
They have a temporary or permanent adapter...

Saiga AR Adapter
AR2KS223 (Saiga)

Hard anodized aluminum .223 AR magazine adapter for the Saiga.

This adapter allows you to utilize popular metal and polymer .223 AR15 magazines in Saiga platform. The adapter features a ambidextrous mechanism for "Drop Free" release. Constructed of 6061 Aluminum. Anodized Black.

*Saiga .223 requires modification to the trunnion

*Does not count towards 922r compliance


Or you can buy one of my steel ones for $120 shipped and is easier to install and less machining to do. Here are pics of them before the color is baked on.

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0495.jpg

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0494.jpg

Hello everyone!
I have a Saiga in 223 caliber, I have modified East German magazines, and added a metal guide in the room so that the cartridges will normally slide!
By against I'm very interested for the system adjusting chargerus AR ! Awesome !
Or can there be to buy ? An address ! But I live in France !
Thank you!

Frenchie, im not a expert here but you might want to check with your local police, there are certain things that cannot be shipped to Europe due to there laws and the person here shipping a prohibited item there can be in big trouble even if the item is legal in the United States. ( good luck )

Yes I know your laws "patiot act", but I have already ordered several parts for my AK in the USA, without hassle!
You just need to find the sender! In France the only prohibition is to change his weapon in full auto, the only adapter chargers for AR on an AK 15, and both arms are available with us!
If one of you to an address, thank you very much!

Sorry for the mistakes ... I make an effort!

In addition, a lot of shooters french see European buy their parts in the U.S., prices are more competitive, including postage!

By chance, do you know if an Arsenal AK106 will take this adapter?

I have a copy of "Lost Illusions" laying around here somewhere.



Is this what you are looking for Frenchie?

http://magnoliastatearmory.com/

Magnolia State Armory
P.O. Box 5960
Brandon, Mississippi 39047-5960

email:
sales@magnoliastatearmory.com

Trotsky39, sorry but what does "lost illusions" ?
I had their address, but I've yet to write, I'll do ... hoping !
Thank you !

Trotsky39, sorry but what does "lost illusions" ?
I had their address, but I've yet to write, I'll do ... hoping !
Thank you !


Just referring to "Balzac72" member name......the French writer Honore De Balzac and his novel "Lost Illusions".

In addition, a lot of shooters french see European buy their parts in the U.S., prices are more competitive, including postage!

ah! but of course!

Sorry Trotsky39 I was in full military literature ! Nice French literary reference ... Asked literrature would rather in my English-French dictionary

And yes partymenber, for the price to harm us and good for you ! There is everything !

Just referring to "Balzac72" member name......the French writer Honore De Balzac and his novel "Lost Illusions".

Ahh, a fellow scholar! Not many people get it, most think "ball sack." Yeah, I liked his writings about the bourgeois when I was in college. I had no idea what to use for my first email account and used that.

So good job with the reference!

By chance, do you know if an Arsenal AK106 will take this adapter?


I'm not certain, but I'm going around this week and try to find as many .223 platforms as I can (stamped and milled). I know one place that has an Arsenal so I'll try it and get back to you. It fits almost all stamped receivers(all that I have tried) but needs changed just a bit for milled. Nothing major, just an adjustment for the front mag lip on the adapter. The problem with milled is the cost of the rifle, if it doesn't accept the AR mag without milling some off the gun, I'd be hesitant to grind on a 2500 buck gun! As long as the AR mag will seat firmly against the magrail, My adapter will work.

I'm not certain, but I'm going around this week and try to find as many .223 platforms as I can (stamped and milled). I know one place that has an Arsenal so I'll try it and get back to you. It fits almost all stamped receivers(all that I have tried) but needs changed just a bit for milled. Nothing major, just an adjustment for the front mag lip on the adapter. The problem with milled is the cost of the rifle, if it doesn't accept the AR mag without milling some off the gun, I'd be hesitant to grind on a 2500 buck gun! As long as the AR mag will seat firmly against the magrail, My adapter will work.



Found one today at the store. I ask the owner if I could try it on the rifle, he let me then bought the adapter!

Found one today at the store. I ask the owner if I could try it on the rifle, he let me then bought the adapter!
this is good info, it may be time to sell the ARs and buy AKs

No response from Magnolia State Armory
therefore no sales outside the USA !
Someone would have another address ?
Thank you !

Or you can buy one of my steel ones for $120 shipped and is easier to install and less machining to do. Here are pics of them before the color is baked on.

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0495.jpg

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0494.jpg

I'm interested in your set up. what fitting or mods have to be done to the rifle for instalation?

The front trunnion has to be ground enough to allow the AR mags to seat against the magrail if it doesn't without grinding. Some platforms the AR mag will seat without any mods. On all of those I've tried, no machining is needed and the adapter just snaps on and your good to go.My Saiga had to have some of the trunnion relieved with a dremel. It takes under 30 minutes using one of the brown stones. DON'T USE A METAL BURR! It will work, but you'll be there all day. I've done 3 and it takes me about 15 minutes. My girlfriend did my brothers in about 20 minutes with me coaching and her scaired shitless that she would screw it up. She didn't.

Is the bullet guide installation still required also? Do you have any photos showing the areas that require fitting? Thanks

Is the bullet guide installation still required also? Do you have any photos showing the areas that require fitting? Thanks


No bullet guide necessary. If you've already installed one, it will still work without a problem, it's just not necessary.
I have some photos, but it's impossible to see how much was removed as the trunnion sits so deep in the magwell. All you have to do is to try to insert the AR mag in the magwell without an adapter or anything and you will see what needs fitting. It's very straight forward and simple once you try it. I did adapt a mag to fit an non machined rifle. Here's a pic of it at the bottom and it gives you a better idea of where the metal that needs removing is.

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0381.jpg

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0382.jpg

http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n398/renegadebuck/adapter/IMG_0380.jpg

I have a mag adapter from renegadebuck and it works great. I tried to get one from MSA and he took my money and after about 2 or 3 months I asked for my money back and bought renegadebuck's instead. I sent him a check and as soon as he got it he shipped mine out. Wam Bam thank you Mam, I would recommend his adapter to anyone. People have been waiting for much longer than I did for MSA to ship their order.

I have a mag adapter from renegadebuck and it works great. I tried to get one from MSA and he took my money and after about 2 or 3 months I asked for my money back and bought renegadebuck's instead. I sent him a check and as soon as he got it he shipped mine out. Wam Bam thank you Mam, I would recommend his adapter to anyone. People have been waiting for much longer than I did for MSA to ship their order.


Thanks, I'm glad you like it. I've only had 1 returned and the man said his rifle was stolen before the adapter had a chance to get to him. I had just shipped it the day he tried to cancel the order. He sent it back unopened and I returned his money. I've had a few issues with installing them on other rifles, but they were easily solved.. Nothing we couldn't do over the phone or internet. One for a Yugo the guy removed too much. He shipped it back and I welded it back. No charge and he's good to go!

I need one.. email me with contact.
Thanks

Still have some of them in stock ready for shipment.

renegadebuck,
Thanks a lot for fast shipment.
Took a couple hours break from adapting your adapter on my 223 Saiga.
I am almost done.. Just need to assemble internals
Overall you did great job! Adapter body quality outstanding. It sits tight and no mods required to have it into AK mag place.
I have to make a cut for magazine lutch (yours) little deeper and little polish the lutch head and cut to make work smooth.
A few suggestions:
1. Figure out something with push button. Glued in shell head on top of the nut is not good idea. It broke-up as soon as I pull it. Not big deal though..
May be some round nut with enough hight to hide the pin threaded part inside, so pin doesn't stick on top of the nut.
3. Spring... Did you coil it yourself? (I am joking here) Barely enough tension to hold mag in place. I have to stretch it a little. Diameter should be smaller or nut wider, or wider spacer between nut and spring.
2. This one kind of controvercial... I like that magazine release can be pushed with index finger. Problem is the release shoulder little too big
It works great as it is, but questionalble for combat (once again it is just opinion, not proved ether) I would sucrafice having push button somwhere else (front part of left side, for instance) and have shoulder smaller and without bended metal. But it is just me...
As I said above overall is very good job. Well worth money.
Thanks a lot!!!

renegadebuck,
Thanks a lot for fast shipment.
Took a couple hours break from adapting your adapter on my 223 Saiga.
I am almost done.. Just need to assemble internals
Overall you did great job! Adapter body quality outstanding. It sits tight and no mods required to have it into AK mag place.
I have to make a cut for magazine lutch (yours) little deeper and little polish the lutch head and cut to make work smooth.
A few suggestions:
1. Figure out something with push button. Glued in shell head on top of the nut is not good idea. It broke-up as soon as I pull it. Not big deal though..
May be some round nut with enough hight to hide the pin threaded part inside, so pin doesn't stick on top of the nut.
3. Spring... Did you coil it yourself? (I am joking here) Barely enough tension to hold mag in place. I have to stretch it a little. Diameter should be smaller or nut wider, or wider spacer between nut and spring.
2. This one kind of controvercial... I like that magazine release can be pushed with index finger. Problem is the release shoulder little too big
It works great as it is, but questionalble for combat (once again it is just opinion, not proved ether) I would sucrafice having push button somwhere else (front part of left side, for instance) and have shoulder smaller and without bended metal. But it is just me...
As I said above overall is very good job. Well worth money.
Thanks a lot!!!


I have had some problems with the springs. I gave the shop the specs for the one I was using and had no issues with. Some of these I think they changed on me. I can't tell by looking but I've had 3 now that didn't last. I'll send you one out of my group that I know is good. I shoot them before I put the finish on. I make sure the mags fit after finish, but don't install or shoot again. I would think that the heat from the oven wouldn't hurt the spring, but I haven't had a failure until after the finish goes on. Might just be a faulty spring, but it might be sorry steel.
I'm surprised that you don't think the release would be good for combat, as I've had 3 kids(24-28) run around in the field with blanks playing war with them and have had no issues. They dive behind barrels and dirt mounds like they're playing paint ball. Lord knows I wouldn't do it unless it was necessary, but they enjoyed it.
Draw a pic of what you mean by the shoulder being smaller so I'm sure I understand what you mean, and I'll look into it.
What did you do for the trigger guard? I reused the original and it had plenty of clearance, but if you buy one of the aftermarket guards, I don't know how they will match up. I would have thought fine as I've had no complaints, but if you have an issue with a brand fitting my adapter, I need to buy one and fix the problem.
Thanks for the review!!!!

renegadebuck,
The quality of adapter well overcomes spring issue.
No, no trigger guard is fine. As I said adapter fits exceptionally well.
No need to worry.. It was magazine locking end (which is going inside the mag) on adapter side required little polish. I am little tedious here, because I make this rifle as "SHT HAPPENED DAY"
and trying to make smooth and reliable as much as possible.
Hey, you did a real good job on this adapter!! I will post link to this thread on other sites.

renegadebuck,
The quality of adapter well overcomes spring issue.
No, no trigger guard is fine. As I said adapter fits exceptionally well.
No need to worry.. It was magazine locking end (which is going inside the mag) on adapter side required little polish. I am little tedious here, because I make this rifle as "SHT HAPPENED DAY"
and trying to make smooth and reliable as much as possible.
Hey, you did a real good job on this adapter!! I will post link to this thread on other sites.


Thank you very much, but I'm still sending you a spring! I told you it was guaranteed. (and I'm going to change all of them now. 2 out of 100 is possible,but 3 is unacceptable as I still have 23 or so out of the batch for sale) I have another idea about the release button. The only thing I don't like is it sticking out so far. I've got to remedy that if I put a cap on it.

I would like to get one of your adapters. PM sent.

I would like to get one of your adapters. PM sent.


PM answered

way cool....I love conversion stuff

Will these work on a standard sporter Saiga?

And do they use unmodified AR mags?

thanks!

Will these work on a standard sporter Saiga?

And do they use unmodified AR mags?

thanks!


Yes they work on any configuration.

You have to mod the trunnion on most of the Saigas as it's too narrow for the magazine to fit otherwise.. This would be necessary to use other mags also. This change will not effect the ability to use stock mags, just allow you more options.

Will these work on a standard sporter Saiga?

And do they use unmodified AR mags?

thanks!
If you go this route, you'll need to be 922r compliant.

The instant you insert a magazine with 11 rounds or more capacity into a factory Saiga - or make it capable of accepting same - you'll be committing a federal felony.

If you go this route, you'll need to be 922r compliant.

The instant you insert a magazine with 11 rounds or more capacity into a factory Saiga - or make it capable of accepting same - you'll be committing a federal felony.

not unless it has one of the other evil features of the 89 ban. it I leave it in sporter configuration, no parts change is required to use high capacity mags.

Remember the 89 ban had 2 parts to qualify, high capacity magazine AND at least one cosmetic feature, such as pistol grip, bayonet lug, folding stock, grenade launcher, shoulder thing that goes up, etc..

but again, does it take unmodified AR mags? One of the pictures in this thread shows an AR mag that has been modified.

not unless it has one of the other evil features of the 89 ban. it I leave it in sporter configuration, no parts change is required to use high capacity mags.

Remember the 89 ban had 2 parts to qualify, high capacity magazine AND at least one cosmetic feature, such as pistol grip, bayonet lug, folding stock, grenade launcher, shoulder thing that goes up, etc..

I"m afraid you're incorrect.

922r covers unimportable rifles and shotguns.

No shotgun or rifle can be imported if it accepts "non sporting magazines", no matter what other features it might have. If you make your shotgun or rifle able to accept "non sporting magazines", it must comply with 922r.

This isn't 1989, and there are no bans in place at this time. "Evil features" have nothing to do with the "non sporting magazine" edict.

not unless it has one of the other evil features of the 89 ban. it I leave it in sporter configuration, no parts change is required to use high capacity mags.

Remember the 89 ban had 2 parts to qualify, high capacity magazine AND at least one cosmetic feature, such as pistol grip, bayonet lug, folding stock, grenade launcher, shoulder thing that goes up, etc..

but again, does it take unmodified AR mags? One of the pictures in this thread shows an AR mag that has been modified.

The 1989 import ban did not effect rifles after they were imported. That was added in 1990. At the end of 1998 high capacity magazines were added to the "features". So imported from 1999 on, no high cap magazines or be able to accept military high cap mags. This just happened to be during the 1994 AWB but is separate from it. High cap mags were added to 922r at the end of 1998 as were certain thumb-hole stocks while others have been accepted. That's why the rifles from 1999 started having single stack magazines.

not unless it has one of the other evil features of the 89 ban. it I leave it in sporter configuration, no parts change is required to use high capacity mags.

Remember the 89 ban had 2 parts to qualify, high capacity magazine AND at least one cosmetic feature, such as pistol grip, bayonet lug, folding stock, grenade launcher, shoulder thing that goes up, etc..

but again, does it take unmodified AR mags? One of the pictures in this thread shows an AR mag that has been modified.


The magazine shown was to give an example(I thought I said that, maybe not) as to about how much trunnion would have to be removed and where the removal part was located, or you could mod the mags. I've posted on many forums and am not sure if I made that clear(DUH! evidently not) on this one. Sorry.

I'm no expert on 922r, but I was under the same impression as Nallioth. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong though. To me, the few extra dollars and minutes to convert it and be sure, beats the chance of being wrong. I have found in my life that some people, when given power, make it their life's work to screw with you. I would rather not take the chance of giving some anal Nazi the chance to take away my right to own a gun by finding a loophole to make me a felon. You might be able to beat it, but look at all the guns and ammo you'd be buying a lawyer and the shooting and just enjoying life time that you would waste in court. I'll spend 3 hours and 75 bucks! JMHO

I got an adaptor from Renegade, and after working with it for a while I cannot get it to run ar mags. It locks the mags up too high, running into the carrier. I will have to rework the whole adaptor to get it to work. I deeply regret grinding out my rifle.. very disapointing. And he won't reply to my PM.

Buy at your own risk


I'm sorry you had a problem receiving my reply to your PM, You have my phone number and my email in the instructions. I did reply!!! Now, to repeat my answer to you as best I remember.

I'm very sorry you are having trouble. I don't understand what you did wrong. I personally shot 60 rounds out of your adapter before it was shipped(3 mags of 20) as I do all of them, so it worked when it left. That's neither here nor there now, the important thing is to get you going. Did you do any grinding to the adapter? Did you take enough off the trunnion of your rifle? Could you take some pics and send them to me so I can have an idea of what the problem is and what may be the cause? My email for pics(as the storage is greater) is renegadebuck@gmail.com
If you would like you can send me both the rifle and the adapter and I'll set it up for you. I have an FFL I'm working through so let me know if you would like to do this and I'll send you the address and Phone number of the FFL and let you tell them it's coming in for me to do so.


This was my answer and I've since been waiting for pics or some kind of answer from you and haven't received anything! I've checked the pic address every day 3 times a day since I answered you. I really don't know what more I could have said or done. I have sold many and have NEVER left anyone hanging and I damn sure won't start now!!!

I'm still waiting for a reply. You sent the PM on 2-18-10

Renegade, I apoligize for the bad post. Some frustration came out. I'm not sure what happened with the pms. Ill post some pictures when I'm off tomorrow. Basically the magazine clicks iin just fine, but sits too high in the magwell, so when the carrier comes back ft smashes into the top round in the magazine, jamming the carrier. I can force it back but it indents the top round in the mag. If I hold the bolt open and insert the mag, then let the carrier run forward it loads the round into the chamber sometimes... other tines the slop in the adaptor and the magazine is enough for the carrier to hit the corner of the top of the mag lip in the back next to the head of the round. It wouldn't be a hard fix if I had a tig welder, but the welder I have to use is a big 480v rig and I'm not much for preciscion. If the locking tab were lower on the unit and it were sleeved on the inside giving a tighter fit on the mag it would run fine.

Renegade, I apoligize for the bad post. Some frustration came out. I'm not sure what happened with the pms. Ill post some pictures when I'm off tomorrow. Basically the magazine clicks iin just fine, but sits too high in the magwell, so when the carrier comes back ft smashes into the top round in the magazine, jamming the carrier. I can force it back but it indents the top round in the mag. If I hold the bolt open and insert the mag, then let the carrier run forward it loads the round into the chamber sometimes... other tines the slop in the adaptor and the magazine is enough for the carrier to hit the corner of the top of the mag lip in the back next to the head of the round. It wouldn't be a hard fix if I had a tig welder, but the welder I have to use is a big 480v rig and I'm not much for preciscion. If the locking tab were lower on the unit and it were sleeved on the inside giving a tighter fit on the mag it would run fine.


If you have to sleeve it, you will be the only one out of 250 that I've sold. It's possible it might have gotten bent in shipping, it would also be one of the few, but that has happened.
I'm still trying to figure out how it sits "too High". The magrail should stop the mag or the round, from protruding into the path of the bolt. The problem with the bolt hitting the back of the mag and not running down the feed ramp, is you don't have the trunnion ground out close to even, or straight, or have taken too much out of the sides. It has to be one of the three.
Did you do any grinding on the adapter? You shouldn't have if you did. All that is set by me on my rifle.
I hope the pics clear it up a bit, as I'm a might bewildered at the moment.

Don't worry, we'll get it straightened out.