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CaptainPhil
02-14-2009, 06:08 PM
Ok, have a Romy G kit in the works, and of course I am looking at the next project and I wanted to ask 'the dudes' if what I want to do will work.

OK, Centerfire systems has matching # Yugo front ends for sale, and at a decent process: http://www.centerfiresystems.com/Y-M70-BBL.aspx

So I need a couple of things, a receiver being 1. I cannot find a flat or 80% receiver for this (anyone know where) so I am looking at the Model NDS-5 Yugo M70AB1 Fixed Stock Receiver.

So I know these 2 items will go together. So my question/issue is on the back end. I want to put an ACE skeleton on it but no folder (Am in California, and that is a no-no). So would Ace's AK Internal Receiver Block work? http://www.riflestocks.com/AKStampedModsRequired.htm

Do I need a trunion to work with this?

Would a Khyber Pass style folder work here?

What are my options here?

Thanks folks.

Shadow Walker
02-14-2009, 08:50 PM
www.coldsteelsolutionsincorporated.com has a 80% receiver for the Yugo.

CaptainPhil
02-14-2009, 11:35 PM
Well there you have it. +1 on that.

I can drill holes for the real trunion 'as needed.'

Now . . . what do I need?

allesennogwat
02-15-2009, 02:50 AM
The Cold Steel blanks are a lot of work. You need to get a template properly on the blank. You need to position it with the lower rails and front trunnion in the proper locations with respect to each other. You might want to order two blanks to practice on the first one and shipping time seems to take a while.

I'm not sure how that Ace stock fitting is going to work in a Yugo. It's not made to fit the Yugo rear trunnion. The Yugo receiver has a narrower inside width and a Romy trunnion can be narrowed and the Ace adapter may be able to be fitted.

motorhead
02-15-2009, 03:34 AM
you'll have to narrow a romy trunnion to fit. yugo stocks do not attach like other aks. you CAN have a folder with a mag lock and oal of 30".

ronin
02-15-2009, 08:05 AM
What's the internal diameter of a Yugo at the rear?

robert ibe
02-15-2009, 10:21 AM
Marshhawkarms and bent-metal.com also have yugo blanks and they DONT look like hammered sh;t as some blanks on the market.

Robert

Petro
02-15-2009, 11:00 AM
The Cold Steel blanks are a lot of work. You need to get a template properly on the blank. You need to position it with the lower rails and front trunnion in the proper locations with respect to each other. You might want to order two blanks to practice on the first one and shipping time seems to take a while.

I disagree. While it is a lot of work, you actually do not need a template at all.
Having a proper plan is what counts.
With a front trunion locating tool, most of the initial placement is done for you.
I did my first build on a Cold Steel blank. I used the template they gave me, and a combination of the plan they supplied and one,Allesnogwat, you actually sent me. With the plan, i was able to see why you cannot rely on a template for accurate marks.
My second build was on a blank i got from TexasDogblaster. I used no template what so ever. I used the plan i had used for the first build.
If you take your time, it will be no problem.

CaptainPhil
02-15-2009, 11:15 AM
My biggest concery here obviously is the rear end.

So with that in mind, what I am hearing is I either need to find (somehow) a Yugo rear trunion, or modify a romy or ??? to fit. This is done by narrowing it to fit the smaller inside width of the Yugo receiver.

Then, if I want to use that ACE internal block I would have to modify that as well, same as above.

So, basically, anything that is not a Yugo would more or less fit, if modified as stated above, yes? There may be some 'fitting' needed, but the question now becomes how much? I have seen the Khyber pass looking rear triangle folders with trunion for $150-ish. and for about the same as the ACE this is a much more desired direction.

So with this in mind, what can I do to complete the Yugo fromt end riveted into a receiver?

AKBLUE
02-15-2009, 11:19 AM
I think the triangle folder you see is not with the rear tunnion for $150 but with the trunnion adaptor which pushes the stock to the rear. Not nearly as clean a look. Copes had the Bulgarian folders with trunnion for $200 and the folder with adaptor block for $150. Since you do not need a folder the fixed stock ACE may be the better choice.

CaptainPhil
02-15-2009, 11:23 AM
I think the triangle folder you see is not with the rear tunnion for $150 but with the trunnion adaptor which pushes the stock to the rear. Not nearly as clean a look. Copes had the Bulgarian folders with trunnion for $200 and the folder with adaptor block for $150. Since you do not need a folder the fixed stock ACE may be the better choice.

OK . . . I am thinking I agree with this.

ON the Ace. With that internal receiver block, can I bolt the skeleton right to that, or do I HAVE to have a stupid spacer?

AKBLUE
02-15-2009, 11:48 AM
No spacer, but the adaptor on the cut trunnion.

Apex trunnion (euro fixed stock) $25 + shipping (may have sold out yesterday)
ACE insert bock adaptor $35 + shipping
ACE fixed skel;eton stock $65 + shipping


http://riflestocks.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=69&products_id=281

http://riflestocks.com/AKStampedModsRequired.htm


You can purchase a US made Yugo rear trunnuion for $85 and an ACE adaptor for the Yugo but it is more money overall but it would give the flecinility of a Yugo wood buttstock in the fuuture etc.

CaptainPhil
02-15-2009, 12:09 PM
OK, looks like trunions are gone.

What I DONT want is the extra spacer in this pic: http://riflestocks.com/catalog/images/MS1%20(AKFX_AK).jpg

What I don;t like is the extra legnth between the end of the rear cover and the beginning of the 'skeleton.' By using the INTERNAL block I will not have this, yes?

CaptainPhil
02-15-2009, 12:34 PM
http://riflestocks.com/images07/customer/DSC01587.jpg

this is the look I am going for.

allesennogwat
02-15-2009, 12:43 PM
I disagree. While it is a lot of work, you actually do not need a template at all.
Having a proper plan is what counts.
With a front trunion locating tool, most of the initial placement is done for you.
I did my first build on a Cold Steel blank. I used the template they gave me, and a combination of the plan they supplied and one,Allesnogwat, you actually sent me. With the plan, i was able to see why you cannot rely on a template for accurate marks.
My second build was on a blank i got from TexasDogblaster. I used no template what so ever. I used the plan i had used for the first build.
If you take your time, it will be no problem.


Even without a physical template, proper placement of the center support and other holes in relation to the trunnion and the lower rails is required. You would need the measurements from a Yugo trunnion if you are going by scratch. The trunnion rivet locator tool isn't going to help you with that. I don't rely on a template but with a Yugo blank you can't adjust the placement of the front trunnion much due to the bulges. On a straight trunnion blank it doesn't matter where you center everything as you can trim to fit. The Yugo blank needs t have the trunnion located and the rails located to know where the center support is going to be. The other holes must fit around those locations.

motorhead
02-15-2009, 11:15 PM
ace stock w/int. block and modified trunnion
[IMG]http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj22/neon_tony/P3190082.jpg

motorhead
02-17-2009, 11:46 AM
i was just on ak builder last night, curtis has a rear trunnion predrilled for the ace stock (no tang cutting, no adapter) for $45. brilliant.
http://ak-builder.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=136

CaptainPhil
02-18-2009, 06:29 PM
S W E E T!!

Just emailed Curtis to ask if this will fot (probably not) and if it can be milled/trimmed to fit the M70.

This is getting very cool

CaptainPhil
02-18-2009, 07:11 PM
I just stumbled upon this: https://www.cogunsales.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=40&category_id=4&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1

Has anyone worked with a receiver from Colorado Gun Sales before? Are they any good?

What's the scoop?

allesennogwat
02-18-2009, 11:50 PM
It's a Hesse/Vulcan receiver. I saw only once at a gun show. Some people say they go together alright. Other people say they aren't heat treated or are made of non-heat treatable steel. Some say they are out of spec. They usually have a long ejector for 223 and it must be trimmed for 7.62. I'm not sure of the steel is full Yugo thickness . It might 0.050" thick. Research Vulcan Yugo AK receivers.

CaptainPhil
02-19-2009, 09:29 AM
Okkaayyyyy . . . so much for that option. Last thing I need in a "Franken-AK" build is to buy more headaches.

I asked Harlan if I could get the NDS-5 w/o rear trunion holes, answer is no, but that is the easiest option.

STILL need a SoCal FFL for a REASONABLY priced transfer.

motorhead
02-19-2009, 03:04 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=124678
here you go. call dealers beforehand as not every oll dealer has embraced the ak.
bear in mind ca transfer fees are astronomical.

CaptainPhil
02-19-2009, 03:38 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=124678
here you go. call dealers beforehand as not every oll dealer has embraced the ak.
bear in mind ca transfer fees are astronomical.

Yea, which is why I said REASONABLE transfer fee. I refuse to pay $100.00 fee on a $70 receiver.

Totallt BS, but welcome to the PRK.

RG Coburn
02-19-2009, 05:17 PM
Marshhawkarms and bent-metal.com also have yugo blanks and they DONT look like hammered sh;t as some blanks on the market.

Robert
Yours are pretty nice,I must say.

CaptainPhil
02-19-2009, 06:07 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=124678
here you go. call dealers beforehand as not every oll dealer has embraced the ak.
bear in mind ca transfer fees are astronomical.

OK, here is the STUPID question of the day . . .

WTF us an OLL Dealer? If I buy a receiver fron Nodak, I need an FFL, yes? Is an OLL an FFL who does transfers?

Thanks for educating the ignorant.