MULTI-STATE HANDGUN CARRY PERMIT

My 5-year Minnesota handgun carry permit expires in a few months and I'm getting ready to go down to the local range for the mandatory renewal training course.

I was talking to the local range owner in Burnsville where we usually shoot and he told me that their renewal course certificate could be used to get a Florida carry permit which is supposed to be valid in 29 states (listed below).

I don't do much traveling, but it would be nice to have. I understand the Florida permit is around $120 and good for 7 years.

I also heard that there is a Utah permit that is valid in even more states. Is anyone familiar with the Florida and/or Utah permits?

Pennsylvania, Ohio, Delaware, Florida, Virginia, Texas, Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont and Wyoming.

Mike

I heard something similar, but is there anyone here who knows for sure?

Florida is the only state the issues carry permits to non residents and I don't know what the requirments are to get one. I have mine as I was a resident of FL and I'll continue to renew. TN I'm told also is reciprocated in as many states as FL. I moved to TN more than a year ago and I have yet to get a TN permit which is something I need to do. The catch may be that as MN resident your FL permit may not cover you in other states and remember that it's up to the CLO to decide if you are in violation of thier local laws and further remember that one FL permits you to carry ANY legal weapon and other states are limited to hand guns only. To get a FL permit you must take the FL course in person in FL. Have a fun trip.

You'll likely never see a "multi-state permit" as this will require a "Federal Permit" and with O it'll never happen.



Scott

According to the "Travelers Guide to the Firearms Laws of the 50 States"(J. Scott Kappas), Utah is among the states that extend automatic recognition under law to all other states that allow concealed carry. Florida has 31 states w/ reciprocity. I`d recommend getting the book, it`s pretty thourough.

Hi 3A_PKKA-
Both Florida and Utah offer CCW/CCP's to non-residents, however I would check very closely into which states you plan on carrying in. Many states offer reciprocity to holders of a FL or Utah CCW, but only if you are a resident of the issuing state. Obviously this wouldn't work for you.
As far as training requirements for a Fl CCW, if you are a vet with any firearms training indicated on your DD214 (IE - a marksmanship award), or if you can provide proof of any NRA certified firearm safety courses you will be fine or any course taught by an NRA certified instructor. You will also meet the requirement for training if you can provide documentation of any organized shooting competion (IE any NRA or OCMP competitions).
Your only gotcha will be in fingerprint submission - You will have to submit a physical fingerprint card instead of having your prints digitally scanned at a FL LEO office. This could (Probably will) add up to 60 days to the processing time for your application package. My understanding is it taking almost 90 days for processing of an application package right now.

Thanks to all for the input! Of course, as I inferred from some of the posts, this is not going to be as easy as it seems on the surface. If it becomes too much of a pain in the ass I'm not going to bother since I don't do much traveling anymore.

Below is the link to the Burnsville Range in Minnesota that says their renewal course will qualify me for a Florida carry permit also. I'm sure that it will, but they didn't mention all the other nonsense that seems to be associated with getting the permit.

http://www.bvpistol.com/renew_carrycarry.htm

Mike

Florida is the only state the issues carry permits to non residents and I don't know what the requirments are to get one. I have mine as I was a resident of FL and I'll continue to renew. TN I'm told also is reciprocated in as many states as FL. I moved to TN more than a year ago and I have yet to get a TN permit which is something I need to do. The catch may be that as MN resident your FL permit may not cover you in other states and remember that it's up to the CLO to decide if you are in violation of thier local laws and further remember that one FL permits you to carry ANY legal weapon and other states are limited to hand guns only. To get a FL permit you must take the FL course in person in FL. Have a fun trip.

You'll likely never see a "multi-state permit" as this will require a "Federal Permit" and with O it'll never happen.



Scott

Washington State will issue to a non resident, but you have to apply in person.

Suggest checking out www.handgunlaw.us also www.opencarry.org has a wealth of information on both open and concealed carry.

Here ya go pardner, this link should give you all the info:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html
Here is the link to the NRA-ILA state reciprocity guide
http://www.nraila.org/recmap/recguide.pdf

Yup, based on the NRA ILA link Aug's Dad provided, it looks like Minnesota doesn't recognize the FL CCW. You'd have to get both the Minnesota & Florida to be legal in your state & travelling elsewhere.

The Utah permit is good in 31 states including Minnesota.
I just took the Utah course in Diluth, MN from two CC instructors who are cetrtified by Utah.

I have an Indiana Permit that is good in Florida but not in Minnesota.
Rather than get a very limited MN permit I am Getting a Utah permit.
The Utah permit is cheaper ($63) and you apply by mail after the course.
No need to go to Utah.

Washington State will issue to a non resident, but you have to apply in person.

Suggest checking out www.handgunlaw.us (http://www.handgunlaw.us/) also www.opencarry.org (http://www.opencarry.org/) has a wealth of information on both open and concealed carry.Some states may have added non-resident status since I got mine.

Bare in mind and to all that have posted here that for example I have a FL permit and I reside in TN and if I travel to NC and carry NC CLEO may NOT recognize my FL permit and I take the chance of confinscation and a notice to appear. It's your choice to chance. I have been told to validate a carry permit that you must have an accompaning valid state ID and the two should match unless you are in the issuing state.

Scott

Also I don't believe the intent of non-resident status is so that anyone of the other 49 states may be granted the permit to be used as a travelers permit. The purpose as in the case of FL is that so many people are dual resident property owners who's primary is not FL.

Scott

Utah has stated that the purpose of their permit is to provide a travel permit and to "arm the nation"

Utah has stated that the purpose of their permit is to provide a travel permit and to "arm the nation"


I like Utah's rationale!

Mike

The Utah permit is good in 31 states including Minnesota.
I just took the Utah course in Diluth, MN from two CC instructors who are cetrtified by Utah.

I have an Indiana Permit that is good in Florida but not in Minnesota.
Rather than get a very limited MN permit I am Getting a Utah permit.
The Utah permit is cheaper ($63) and you apply by mail after the course.
No need to go to Utah.

If they're teaching the Utah course up in Duluth, I'm sure there must be someplace convenient in the Twin Cities area that offers it.

The only thing I'm wondering is if I should still renew my Minnesota carry permit, as well as apply for the Utah permit. Even though the Utah permit is recognized in Minnesota, since I live in MN I wonder how the police would view this? I know this sounds anal, but the police training in this state is anything but uniform and consistent. I have never been arrested and would hate to start at this late date by getting locked up by an unaware cop in this state.

Mike

Texas permits work on reciprocity. I like it that way. If our CCW works for you, then yours is fine by us. I would't want folks from communist states legally carrying in my house when I can't do it in theirs. As for a multi-state permit, I agree with Scott. The Feds would want to involve themselves and if your paying attention to the current farce of an administration and it's rediculous bailout plan, you'll understand why that's a bad idea.

Rick

Get a NH permit, it is only $20. They will only issue you one if you have a ccw permit from another state.

Let me be more clear. In TN the DMV issues the Permit and when I got my TN DL I asked how long my FL Permit was good for in TN and I was told that it is good for 6 months from the day that I got my TN DL and after that my FL permit was no longer valid in TN as a TN resident. It will be, and now is for me the "gray area" of interpretation of the officer if I'm ever stopped as to whether or not my Permit is valid. Take your chances.


Point is that residing in one state with a permit from another DOES NOT make for a valid permit unless you are in the ISSUING state.

Scott

Let me be more clear. In TN the DMV issues the Permit and when I got my TN DL I asked how long my FL Permit was good for in TN and I was told that it is good for 6 months from the day that I got my TN DL and after that my FL permit was no longer valid in TN as a TN resident. It will be, and now is for me the "gray area" of interpretation of the officer if I'm ever stopped as to whether or not my Permit is valid. Take your chances.


Point is that residing in one state with a permit from another DOES NOT make for a valid permit unless you are in the ISSUING state.

ScottNo gray area for you Scott - Tennessee does not offer reciprocity for a nonresident Florida permit. If you're a TN resident you need to get a Tn permit. Oddly enough though, if your a TN resident with a FL permit you'd be perfectly legal in all your neighboring (KY, GA, AL) states as they offer reciprocity for a FL permit held by a non-FL resident. Of course all those states would also offer reciprocity for your TN permit as a TN resident so it's really kind of a moot point - The only way to be legal at home is with your TN permit.

By the way, I'm from NE FL myself & I'm up in Nashville right now - You Tennesseans need to turn the heat up a little bit - It's colder than h377 here!

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/ has a multistate permit course and teaches in the Cities and St. Cloud areas.

Mn is reluctant to recognize permits from out of state that don't meet the same requirements as the Mn permit. I find that the Utah permit provides much greater permit coverage for business and vacation travel. I have both permits with me when I travel.

www.opencarry.org has a permit calculator that shows which permits are recognized by other states and also which states allow car carry or open carry without a permit required.

No gray area for you Scott - Tennessee does not offer reciprocity for a nonresident Florida permit. If you're a TN resident you need to get a Tn permit. Oddly enough though, if your a TN resident with a FL permit you'd be perfectly legal in all your neighboring (KY, GA, AL) states as they offer reciprocity for a FL permit held by a non-FL resident. Of course all those states would also offer reciprocity for your TN permit as a TN resident so it's really kind of a moot point - The only way to be legal at home is with your TN permit.

By the way, I'm from NE FL myself & I'm up in Nashville right now - You Tennesseans need to turn the heat up a little bit - It's colder than h377 here!

Yes I know as I've been told and as I stated it was only good for 6 months after my TN DL.

If you're in Nashville you're on the wrong side of the state, E TN is a totally different world. Most carry here permit or not the the police know it.

Scott

Some states may have added non-resident status since I got mine.

Bare in mind and to all that have posted here that for example I have a FL permit and I reside in TN and if I travel to NC and carry NC CLEO may NOT recognize my FL permit and I take the chance of confinscation and a notice to appear. It's your choice to chance. I have been told to validate a carry permit that you must have an accompaning valid state ID and the two should match unless you are in the issuing state.

Scott

With Washington you have to apply in person though, it's not a mail order permit. The intent is for folks who just moved here to get a permit before getting resident status, or for folks who live in neighboring states to have a WA CPL (strangely enough we don't recognize the Oregon or Idaho permits.

Part of the "problem" with Washington and reciprocity is that many states require some sort of training for a carry permit, and will recognize permits from other states that have requirements that meet or exceed theirs. Washington only requires that you have $60 and a set of fingerprints, along with no outstanding warrants to get a CPL.

Washington recognizes LA, MI, MO, MS, NC, OH, OK, UT permits at this time. They should at least add Idaho, since Idaho recognizes the Washington permit.

Damnit, what ever happened to that part of the constitution that requires states to recognize the procedures and licenses of other states?

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Florida carry permit which is supposed to be valid in 29 states (listed below).

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Pennsylvania, Ohio, Delaware, Florida, Virginia, Texas, Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont and Wyoming.

Mike

Actually, it's not so much that the Florida permit is "valid" in Vermont, it's just that Vermont does NOT require anyone to have a permit to carry. Virtually anybody without a felony conviction can carry concealed or openly without any kind of permit. It's actually a right written into the Vermont state constitution. The only exception is inside of a school or government building.

The only problem is that no state offers reciprocity for that Vermont right, and that is just unfair. So Vermonters wishing to carry out of state will need to get the UT or FL non-resident permit.

In Vermont and Alaska, the carry permit IS the second amendment! (Although Alaska does offer an optional permit for Alaskans wishing to carry out of state.)

Live free!

I just took the Ohio CCW course. Option 1....I can get an Ohio permit for $55. good for 5 yrs.renew for another5 yrs. Then I have to be re-trained in CCW. cost.whatever they're charging 10 yrs from now.

Option2...I don't get the Ohio, I get the Florida permit.The Ohio trainers helped me fill out the application,fingerprinted me and took photograph..all I have to do is mail $117 check to FL... cost $117 for 7 yrs. can keep renewing every 7 yrs indefintely without re-training... YOu pick up more states, but lose 4 states that Ohio covers... I forget which 4 states I loose . lol

option 3. get both.


edit,
this link clearly shows the states that do not recognize a Florida CCW if you are not a FL resident. The states have the number "4" after them..
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html

My Michigan permit is reconized by 34 states.All states who issue permits are reconized by Michigan.No need for a country wide permit when it is reconized by so many states.You do need to abide by the state laws when traveling through them while carrying.td

TD, any special rules for carry in Detroit? (other than carry it in your hand with the safety off!)

My Michigan permit is reconized by 34 states.All states who issue permits are reconized by Michigan..td

I live in Ohio,If I only have a Florida non-residents CCW permit . Michigan does NOT recognize it.

Here's the link for information regarding the Florida permit:

http://www.buymilsurp.com/florida-conceal-carry-permit-application-p-518.html