vz58

anybody else have one? heres mine my fabdefense handguard set just came in

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Cool set up. Looks good!

Just bought one from Czechpoint-USA, I absolutely love it. The ONLY bad part is the fact that the way they configured it, you have to use the crappy US made floorplates and somewhat more tolerable followers. I may lead into buying a Skorpion next.

Norinco671; The sling you have pictured on your rifle is just what I've been looking for. Is it an original that came with the gun, or something you picked up somewhere?

thanks, the black sling is original as it came with my vz. thought id share some more pics
original
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then decided to modify it a little bit
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Just bought one from Czechpoint-USA, I absolutely love it. The ONLY bad part is the fact that the way they configured it, you have to use the crappy US made floorplates and somewhat more tolerable followers. I may lead into buying a Skorpion next.

congrats on your purchase, i purchased 4 mags and a pouch from copes distributing which has metal floor plates. skorpions are cool, yes might think about pickin one up in the near future.

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I took the VZ plunge a couple weeks ago and it was well worth it...feels great, shoots great, looks great...if you're on the fence about getting one my recommendation is go for it.

Are the vz 58 sold by Czech-point made by Cz or another company?

I picked up one of the early D-Technik VZ58 over a year ago, now have over 3,000 rounds out of her-100% reliable, just bought my second, my brother after shooting my VZ58 also picked one up (both are finished nicer then my origional early VZ58). Once you use one it's hard to use anything else.
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Are the vz 58 sold by Czech-point made by Cz or another company?

They are made by CZ. The single stack magazine with thumbhole stock model is 100% Czech. The mags are plastic and may not be the best. This is the way they are imported. The other versions have the magwell machined in the US for the 30 round military magazines and have US parts installed in place of Czech parts.

The Czech-point 32 ACP Skorpions have US-made receivers.

Are the vz 58 sold by Czech-point made by Cz or another company?

czech point and cz usa, uses the d-technik receivers (good), which is manufactured by D-Technik a.s in jablunka Czech Republic, but both companys probably have different sources in the u.s. or abroad to assemble them to comply with the 922r like permanantly attached brakes, plastic floor plates for the mags, plastic triggers etc... a far as i know all the vz58 mags are aluminum not plastic

I recently went home on leave and picked up a Vz. 58 from a gunshop in Ohio. I am very impressed with the fit and finish of this rifle. I would describe it as svelte in comparison to my AKs. My only concern is with the magwell. The magazine that came with the rifle, when inserted doesn't lock up tight. The mag release clicks and it appears to lock up, but I rock the mag slightly forward and it will come out of the rifle. I haven't had any previous expirence with the Vz. 58 system so I am not sure if this is a bad mag related issue, the magwell is incorrectly out of spec, or this is normal for the vz. 58. I know on an AK the mag will lock up tight and you must engage the magazine release to change magazines. Any suggestions from you gentlemen? When I get back to the US I will try and find some more vz. 58 mags for sale. Here is a picture of my vz. 58 with an AK for comparison for those who want to see how clean and svelte the Czech rifle is.[IMG]

sgt mac, congrats on an awesome rifle. cant see the pics though, my vz 58 w/30 round mag was a very tight fit, and also witht the 4 i purchased from copes. ive read a while back that some vzs they sell have single stack mags and double stack, which might have different size openings for them. czech point usa sells them both, might wanna give em a call and double check

SGT. MAC,

Have you tried other mags? If not, I would suspect the magazine. Of the 6 original VZ mags I have one that is a bad fit and does not lock up prooperly. I never eally investigated the problem but assumed the lighter weight aluminum mag is bent or tweakled and does not lock up properly. Try some other mags and see what you come up with.

Heard of this on a couple, the mag-well was cut to large! Best to return it!

As soon as I get back to the US I will pick up some more mags. Sorry about the picture, I can't seem to post if for some reason. I really hope this is a mag issue and not an enlarge magwell problem. I guess I will find out in a few months.

As soon as I get back to the US I will pick up some more mags. Sorry about the picture, I can't seem to post if for some reason. I really hope this is a mag issue and not an enlarge magwell problem. I guess I will find out in a few months.

I have not heard of the enlarged mag well issue,. Not saying it does not exist but since I purchased my VZ58 a year ago I have monitored the cross-talk about the rifles. You may well have an ORF buuild VZ58 which have received some negative feedback on build issues. They are minor issues, but can be irritating. Until you try other mags I would assume that is the problem.

The receiver is marked D-Technik. I saw where CDNN has used magazines and another mag which I assume are brand new. I plan on picking up some new mags and trying that first before I look to return the rifle.

If you can still pull the mag out, when you try a new one, it definately is a problem with either the magwell cut to large or the mag release catch being to short or set to low. On any AK type rifle, once the mag is locked in place you should not be able to move it more than 1/8 inch!

If you can still pull the mag out, when you try a new one, it definately is a problem with either the magwell cut to large or the mag release catch being to short or set to low. On any AK type rifle, once the mag is locked in place you should not be able to move it more than 1/8 inch!

What?????? VZ58 is not an AK type IMHO.


I have not heard any negative comments abot D technik receiver or mag lockup. Assume a bad mag. :)

my how word gets around and gets muddled. At one point I posted that my d-technic magwell was too large, the cut is about .005 larger (cut farther forward)than the originals or than the single stacks I had widened myself. All of the d-techs are the same. it is not a problem nor will it ever be one, I was just doing my best to pick apart everything I could find. It is likely the bho rib on your mag is slightyl too tall preventing mag from being fully inserted, it is also possible that there is a large burr on the bottom of the catch on your magazine. It is slightly possible but not at all likely that the mag catch is worn too much on the mag to work. In any of those cases it is very likely a new mag or some filing on that mag will fix your problem. The mag release should return almost to the position it is in with no mag if it doesn't it is most likely one of the first 2 problems i described, if it does it is probably a worn out mag catch.

How do you put a flash hider on one of these puppies? Does it have the springloaded pin on the front sight block for one? Would normal AK barrel threading die work for it?

Since the barrels are under the legal length as they are assembled in the USA they are welded and/or blind pinned.

went to the range today to try again @100 yards but this time using a old aimpoint red dot, very happy with the results. ammo used wolf 123gr HP my last 12 rounds=bad guy dead

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I finally was able to pick up some new magazines for my rifle. I am pleased to announce that the mag that came with the rifle was the problem. The new mags lock up tight and function correctly. The reputation of Cz/D-Technik remains intact. It was not an enlarged magwell after all. I highly recommend this rifle to anyone looking for something other than an AK. The Vz. 61 is next on the list! I hope D-Technik is able to bring even more designs to the US. I keep hoping for a version of the CZ2000/LADA, dare to dream.

good to hear man, now lets see some pics of that bad boy. i know how you feel too about the cz2000, i also dream about them he,he

but anyone of these will suit me just fine
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I think CZ-2000 series has been abandoned. At first the Czech government / army didn't have money for it and the development program is all for a new plastic rifle now. It sort of looks like the FN Scar and the H&K XM-8.

alles, your right and not too long ago seen a video clip of the rifle you have mentioned looks kinda bulky, but maybe cause it had the grenade launcher/accessories on it as they were testing it, but looks good though

I would like to find a picture of this rifle you are talking about. I think it is interesting to see the different directions the former Warsaw-Pact Nations are heading in terms of weapon development. Was the CZ2000/LADA an updated version of the Vz. 58 or an exact copy of the AK? It is to bad the LADA didn't pan out. I would love to see more rifles coming into the US. I fantasize about CZ/D-Technik taking on Arsenal here in the US and offering a high quality alternative to what Arsenal is offering. No offense to Arsenal, their products are excellant, I would just like to see more compettion and more variety. I will say, that I have seen more Vz. 58s at gunstores and gunshows than ever before. It appears the popularity of this rifle is growing and a die hard niche following maybe starting to form.

The CZ-2000 is a 5.56mm AK.

New Czech rifle.
CZ-5805 pics

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The CZ-2000 was started in 1993. The last version was called the CZ-805 and was discontinued in 2007.

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Thank you sir for the pics! I have notice that you always seem to have the most up to date info on some very rare and unheard of firearms. What are the official plans for the Czech to adopt this rifle?

Well a year or so ago the word was 2009 - 2010 but the Czech army didn't have money before for the CZ-2000 so we'll see what happens.

The builds by CZ and Czechpoint look like they have welded barrel extensions, while the Century has a threaded-on slant brake. Can the CZ and Czechpoint be threaded later to accept amuzzle device or are you stuck with what you get from them? I am hesitant to buy a Century vz58, but would like the option of muzzle devices.

All Century VZ58s were re-called 3 weeks ago!

Czechpoint/Dtechnik uses original VZ58 barrels (which are threaded), but an extension is attached to bring them up to legal length. The extension is welded in place, but it can be removed with a little work (and the use of a Dremel) to expose the original threads.

If you do this, BE CAREFUL...

If the barrel is still attached to the receiver when you remove the extension, you will be in possession of an unlicensed SBR. I have seen letters that indicate this issue is no problem as long as you remove the extension to *immediately* affix a permanently attached muzzle device that brings the barrel to the legal length. However, you are only legally protected by said letters if they are addressed to you, so if the ATF happens to change their mind and raid your home while you're performing the work without said letter, you could be in trouble.

I've seen this question asked before as some people (including me) are interested in replacing the FSB with an unmodified version with the bayonet lug intact.


On the other hand, Century uses US-made barrels. Hopefully, they are the right caliber, the head space is with specifications, and nothing else is wrong with the rifle.

Thanks for the clarification, rewt.

Czechpoint/Dtechnik uses original VZ58 barrels (which are threaded), but an extension is attached to bring them up to legal length. The extension is welded in place, but it can be removed with a little work (and the use of a Dremel) to expose the original threads.

If you do this, BE CAREFUL...

If the barrel is still attached to the receiver when you remove the extension, you will be in possession of an unlicensed SBR. I have seen letters that indicate this issue is no problem as long as you remove the extension to *immediately* affix a permanently attached muzzle device that brings the barrel to the legal length. However, you are only legally protected by said letters if they are addressed to you, so if the ATF happens to change their mind and raid your home while you're performing the work without said letter, you could be in trouble.

I've seen this question asked before as some people (including me) are interested in replacing the FSB with an unmodified version with the bayonet lug intact.


On the other hand, Century uses US-made barrels. Hopefully, they are the right caliber, the head space is with specifications, and nothing else is wrong with the rifle.

It is every bit as legal to change the muzzle extension as it is the stock. If you were to remove the stock, the rifle would measure under 26" and be a SBR, You cannot legally remove the stock and leave it that way, however it is perfectly legal to change it for a different one. Also it is perfectly legal to disassemble a firearm also leaving it under 26" I have never seen anyone paranoid about changing a stock or disassembling a firearm, both of which by the exact same law are legally identical to changing a muzzle device. The law is based on completed fireams, which while undergoing gunsmithing work is not usually the case.

It is every bit as legal to change the muzzle extension as it is the stock. If you were to remove the stock, the rifle would measure under 26" and be a SBR, You cannot legally remove the stock and leave it that way, however it is perfectly legal to change it for a different one. Also it is perfectly legal to disassemble a firearm also leaving it under 26" I have never seen anyone paranoid about changing a stock or disassembling a firearm, both of which by the exact same law are legally identical to changing a muzzle device. The law is based on completed fireams, which while undergoing gunsmithing work is not usually the case.

Hey, how's it going? I recognize your name from a few of the other AK forums.

In the reply of mine you quoted, I no way implied it was illegal to change the muzzle device. I just wanted to poster to be aware that another device must be attached ASAP, or the barrel would be out of compliance with the ATF, i.e. it will be <16" in length. Also, I would contend the rifle is still complete if only the barrel extension is removed. My last statement about the ATF raiding someone's home mid-modification was a bit of sarcastic jest.

I didn't mention anything about changing the stock, or the modifying the rifle's overall length.

I browse all the sites but only really post about vz-58's
sorry if I seemed a bit rude, I just don't understand the paranoia involved with changing a muzzle device.

I browse all the sites but only really post about vz-58's
sorry if I seemed a bit rude, I just don't understand the paranoia involved with changing a muzzle device.

No problem. I completely understand your point. I'm not sure why some people are so paranoid either; I figured if I didn't mention the disclaimer, though, someone might flame me for suggesting something illegal.

I think a muzzle break is going to be the second modification on my VZ58... first being a FSB with the bayonet lug :)

So who all is making these? I just found one of the cz usa ones here in kansas city, which is where cz usa is based. My only question is the ones I have seen with the side folding stocks, muzzle breaks, etc. are not cz usa. I know century had a version but didn't they all get recalled? Are the others I am seeing on GB as good of quality as cz usa? Any help would be great!!!!!!

not sure if the century ones got recalled but i have heard on other forums that i has no chrome lined barrels, which cezech point and cz usa have chrome lined barrels. if i were you get the one from cz-usa one of the top vzs you can get very well put together, unless you want a black vz which you can get from cezech point. as for the ones on gunbroker guy sellin a nice one w/nice brake on it, but claims he recommends using fmj instead of hp which have feeding problems with all vzs, my cz usa vz feeds fmj and hps no problems.

From all the research I've conducted, the VZ58 rifles by CZ-USA and VZ58 rifles sold by Czechpoint/Dtechnik are identical. In fact, I've read Czechpoint provides the rifles CZ-USA sells.

I would recommend buying direct from Czechpoint. Cheaper price than CZ-USA, and outstanding customer service.

I just picked up a Czechpoint VZ-58 folder at AJI in Apache Junction. I didn't get a chance to fire it today, so I will hopefully make it to the range tomorrow. It has the original Czech woodchip and resin PG and handguards. I like the Israeli CAA grip they have on the polymer one, but the Czech original is more comfortable than it looks. I may pick up a fixed stock for it as well. Seems to be a nice little rifle. Very lightweight. My Polish AKM underfolder seems very clunky by comparison.

What's the recall with the Century rifles? Is that for the oversized magwell?

According to Century, the recall was due to some rifle receivers being manufactured with out of spec safety pin holes, allowing the safety to walk loose and causing an unsafe condition.

Or so they said.

FWIW, mine shoots just fine, and the safety shows zero inclination to fall out.

I got me one, Seems to be a well made rifle, US barrel and receiver, it has all the features I wanted in one of these rifles like the bayonet mount, removable muzzle comp. and a folding stock....mags can be hard to find....read on.....

The barrel is just slightly longer than a G.I. Czech barrel to make it legal with a threaded, removable comp. and doesnt appear to be chrome lined. One thing I really like is the bolt carrier has stripper clip guide to recharge the magazine so one doesnt really need a whole bunch of extra magazines....just a pouch with 4 extra loaded mags and a Chinese SKS chest rig loaded with a ton of 10rd stripper clips and one is ready for anything!

I havent function tested it at the range yet...report to follow. Lotsa boards are "pooh poohing" these rifles but as far as I can tell none of the people who rant about these rifles actually own one and those who DO own them have nothing but good things to say bout them.

IMHO this is a well made rifle....the finish is a parkerized finish throughout...the furniture is the wood impregnated resin...kinda futuristic for its time and I think it looks cool, I just need to find a fixed stock for mine, the look of the rifle is like a cool modern art masterpiece...very 60's.

I could have bought one of the Czech imports but the idea of a neutered version didnt appeal to me...so I took a gamble on the Century and so far I have no regrets...the only way I could get a closer to the "real" thing rifle is to build one (like some of the talented board members have).....but Im not a buildsmyth. Yes Century has had some crappy rifles in their ranks but I reckon they have had as many successful ones too ( Yugo AK's and RPK's and AES10B's) The Vz2008 seems to be a gem in the rough and can be upgraded easily.

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