So why couldn't you have an AK bullpup pistol?

So lets say you have a standard ak pistol, and one of those ass ugly kits century uses. I don't have the kit, so this is just abstract curiosity here. Would it be legal to mount the kit onto a pistol, all except the rear buttstock piece, given you do remove the original pistol grip?

Is there something obvious I'm missing? I'm assuming there is, I'm just curious as to what it is.

Thanks!

bullpup pistol..... sounds like an oxymoron.

If you look closer at a kit installed on an AK you will notice 3 things.

First of all you gain almost nothing by using a pistol kit. Kinda need the front of the barrel if ya wanna aim.

Secondly the piece they include as the "butstock" is needed to cover and support the fire control group linkage.

And third.... if this is build as a PISTOL, then the whole reciever becomes the buttstock.

If you want one...... build it from a rifle kit. This link has a picture that should help

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/ak47/41834-bullpup-configured-ak-47-a.html

Hope this helps!!!

So with an ak pistol, the naked welded shut, square end of the receiver would be considered the stock.

Okay, that's what I wasn't sure of.

Thanks!

There was the Bushmaster "Arm Pistol" back in the day.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/armpistol/variants.html

The forward pistol grip assembly could rotate around the bbl, with the sights also moveable to align properly. This allowed the pistol to be fired with either arm as the PG could be moved to either side of vertical. This let the magazine and receiver be angled relative to the grip so it would clear your arm. Standard method of firing was to lay the rear part over your forearm and use your off hand to hold it in place. Too bad all the actual firing reviews I've seen said it jammed a lot.

An AMD65 would be the ticket for an AK based version. Already has a forward grip, just mount a trigger up there pulling a couple rods run under the front trunnion back to the original trigger mech. Leave off the rear grip and TG, cut the finger portion of the original trigger off. IIRC, somebody here already built one.

There was the Bushmaster "Arm Pistol" back in the day.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/armpistol/variants.html

The forward pistol grip assembly could rotate around the bbl, with the sights also moveable to align properly. This allowed the pistol to be fired with either arm as the PG could be moved to either side of vertical. This let the magazine and receiver be angled relative to the grip so it would clear your arm. Standard method of firing was to lay the rear part over your forearm and use your off hand to hold it in place. Too bad all the actual firing reviews I've seen said it jammed a lot.

An AMD65 would be the ticket for an AK based version. Already has a forward grip, just mount a trigger up there pulling a couple rods run under the front trunnion back to the original trigger mech. Leave off the rear grip and TG, cut the finger portion of the original trigger off. IIRC, somebody here already built one.

My AK pistol is from an AMD-65 kit. I have a line on a real cheap bullpup kit for an AK, which is why I was thinking of this, so is it more of a gray area then or...?

The Bushmaster was sold as a pistol, so there is precedent for a similar setup. OTOH, while it would be short you could still just shoulder it like a bullpup rifle with the back of the receiver acting as the butt. Before I built one I would write Tech Branch at ATF and ask if that config would be considered an SBR or a handgun.

In any event, I wouldn't waste the money on a bullpup kit, just make your own conversion.

I have passed on the idea, but as far as the concept, the AK pistol is manufactured as an AK pistol, with a bullpup kit, without the piece that's designed to be the buttstuck, and the rear of the reciever blocked from inserting a buttstock... wouldn't this be a legal bullpup pistol in the eyes of the ATF, as it was designed not to accept any kind of buttstock, including the one that comes with the bullpup kit?

ATF has never been accused of being consistent. Even a letter from Tech branch is no guarantee they won't say the exact opposite to someone else. However a letter from them stating it is a pistol is at least an attempt at CYA.

That bullpup kit is garbage, that's probably why C. A. uses them.

That bullpup kit is garbage, that's probably why C. A. uses them.

Those HK-93 kits must be garbage too, seeing as C.A. uses those, also.

if you configured it so nothig looked like or served as a buttstock it would be the same as the bushmaster arm pistol. i would tend to agree on lettering that one though. atf considers their mission to be finding things to bust people for.

Im not 100% sure, it probably would be illegal because it is illegal to have a butt stock on a pistol. Either that or it would be illegal because it is a short barreled rifle, if the barrel is more than 16 inches then it would be fine. Check with your local gun laws, just to be safe,

Hope this helped

bullpup pistol..... sounds like an oxymoron.
Bull pup pistol....Dare you go...




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