Battle Dress Uniforms

So far, I have a pair of black jump boots. I'd like to get something camo as they kind of stick out, plus black tends to refect infrared better than hazier colours. I have a woodland camo shirt and pants, multiple O.D. green socks and t-shirts, a pair of camo gloves, a dewrag, a baclava and a kevlar helmet with 3 different camo patterns. A pair of camo knee pads, elbow pads, and a military-style pair of goggles finishes the outfit.
I also put together a gilley suit, (pants, shirt and hood) as well as a net with the same dyed burlap tied to netting cut to fit over the Romanian PSL/FPK. A similar net is attached to the sniper drag bag. All of it has been fireproofed as well. I'd hate for the barrel to get hot and then I suddenly burst into flame!

I have packets of purifier pills in the pocket of the canteen. Mini rolls of T.P. in one pocket of my backpack, along with a spoon, lighter, Deet, compass (actually on a strap like a wristwatch), and a second canteen with cup.
I still need some MREs, some kind of biodegradable soap (like castile soap) toothbrush and a blanket.

Does anyone else maintain a 3 day supply pack, and what do you keep in it?

3 days..?!?!

I maintain an Alice pack and MOLLE vest load out that would help sustain me indefinitely in the field..!

:small_gri

I prefer the green BDU's. The poly blends dry much quicker than 100% cotton. Camo is alright but for woodland or any other pattern, I'd get some camo that doesn't have any black at all. Black stands out in the daylight. There isn't much black in nature and it doesn't blend well. Greens, tans and browns should be good.

I'd hate for the barrel to get hot and suddenly burst into flame!



The barrel bursts into flame?!

did the wannabe bug bite you?

MOLLE plate carrier, IBA, MOLLE pack, everythin!

Check out this stuff called MultiCam, it's the coolest camo I've ever seen and it's all I use. Also, try to get some desert tan combat boots. As they get dirty, they'll blend into the vegetation more. Black will stay black, and unless you're hanging out in the aftermath of a forest fire, or if you're riding a jaguar, they won't blend in to anything.

The barrel bursts into flame?!

Obviously not. I have no desire to suddenly blow my cover by turning into the "Burning Bush" from the Bible! :uhoh_smal

Links

http://efour4ever.com/cammo.htm


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/20-3/appd.htm#s4

Thanks for the links. I saved them after reading them.

I neglected to mention I have several different "face paints" as well as the woodland camo.

We played a dangerous game with the Grundy Co. Sheriffs Dept. in camo, disapearing into deep woods, then firing off rounds when they gave up, then disappearing further. They almost tripped over us but never saw us. I was with a two tour Iraqi Desert Storm veteran, and, being sick of their corrupt shit, decided to let them know what time it was. Their response, several weeks later, was to knock on the door, then arrest us for "disturbing the peace" (no such thing in Tennessee) just to let us know they knew what we were doing.

But I believe the point was made. We might have the advantage, but you can't actually beat the government...

Well, sweetie, jump boots clash with your outfit. Donchaknow, jump boots are only worn starches and spits (rarely) or class A's. Its totally tacky to wear them in the field. I mean totally, and fer sure - they clash as much as would a beret.

Ukrainian BDU's.

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/event/2007-04-28-672-2919.jpg

Serbian BDU's.

http://www.vojska.mod.gov.yu/fotogalerija/jedinice/jed_np_gs/brigada_veze/images/centar_veze_2.jpg

Civy Hunting camo patterns are usually way better then stock Military. After saying that I love MarPat, and Multicam is the shit!

Well, sweetie, jump boots clash with your outfit. Donchaknow, jump boots are only worn starches and spits (rarely) or class A's. Its totally tacky to wear them in the field. I mean totally, and fer sure - they clash as much as would a beret.

dude,,, you totally dissed the fact that there is no provision for my pocket pooch. duhh !!!!!!

But I believe the point was made. We might have the advantage, but you can't actually beat the government...

Where I come from, we always heard: You can outrun the cop, but you can't outrun the radio.

dude,,, you totally dissed the fact that there is no provision for my pocket pooch. duhh !!!!!!


You carry a dog in your pocket, for what? Like, emergency rations?

Where I come from, we always heard: You can outrun the cop, but you can't outrun the radio.
been there, done that, got the t shirt. :laugh_sma

You carry a dog in your pocket, for what? Like, emergency rations?
you don't ???? apparantly you do not travel in the same circle as Paris and Brit.
:small_gri

you don't ???? apparantly you do not travel in the same circle as Paris and Brit.
:small_gri


Damn skippy!

Multicam does look bad-ass but doesnt the best camo depend on your environment?
I've been wanting to ask this same question.
One that I like but wasnt mentioned is Subdued Urban Camo.
Also, Tiger Stripe, the darker one, is good here, we have mostly pine trees, etc. some marshes, river areas.
So, instead of rambling, lol, I'd say the best camo depends on environment.
Anyone started a thread on what to have in a get the hell out of dodge bag?


David

Canadian Cadpat boots.

[http://www.army.dnd.ca/Chief_Land_Staff/Clothe_the_soldier/hab/images/items/Photo6-1_b.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/Chief_Land_Staff/Clothe_the_soldier/hab/2/271_e.asp


http://www.army.dnd.ca/Chief_Land_Staff/Clothe_the_soldier/hab/1/132_e.asp?Ref=24


http://www.army.dnd.ca/Chief_Land_Staff/Clothe_the_soldier/hab/1/131_e.asp


http://www.army.dnd.ca/Chief_Land_Staff/Clothe_the_soldier/hab/1/133_e.asp


http://www.geocities.com/specialairservice22nd/CADPATS.html

CADPAT is awesome but give me Old fashioned KLMK soviet "sun bunny" pattern any day!! I have hunted in it and always fair very well

http://www.army.dnd.ca/Chief_Land_S.../Photo6-1_b.jpg

I like these.

AK rules, the MultiCam was made with different areas in mind.. when your in a more green area they appear MORE green, and when in a browner area they look Browner... they work in a pretty large amount of different enviroments... :)

Mmmmm, MultiCam goodness...

http://i26.tinypic.com/ic23qg.jpg

Nice!

I wear whatever Sportsman's Guide has on surplus special. I like German Fleck and Brit DPM.Fleck wears well,feels good.Brit just looks sooo cool...

A-Rok, that is a nice bit of gear...

anybody remember the ASAT camo ? ( all season all terrain) looked like multi color corn leaves. i was bow hunting with a friend and he walked by me five feet away and didn't see me. Brigade used to sell it.
http://www.asatcamo.com/

We played a dangerous game with the Grundy Co. Sheriffs Dept. in camo, disapearing into deep woods, then firing off rounds when they gave up, then disappearing further.

That's a fucking good way to get shot.

FWIW, get rid of the black jump boots, and buy a pair of comfortable neutral coloured boots that actually fit you, then get off the internet and go break them in in the woods.
Or do you 'require' 'jump boots' for your HAHO/HALO insertions?

If you are really worried about IR detecion, you can get camo gear treated with an IR suppressant, just be wary if you buy it surplus, one ironing is enough to render it useless a lot of the time.

I hope that's not a full gear list of your 3-day bag either...

Camo is alright but for woodland or any other pattern, I'd get some camo that doesn't have any black at all. Black stands out in the daylight. There isn't much black in nature and it doesn't blend well.

I see this all the time on the innernet. While it's literally true, it's not relevant to the discussion. Much in nature APPEARS black.
Look at a moderately thick bush. What color is it? Green. Now look into the bush, behind the outside leaves and into the shadows. What color does it appear to be in there? BLACK. Next, look up into a tree with thick foliage. What color is it? Green. Now look into the foliage in the shadows. What color does it appear to be? BLACK. This is so whether the sun is out or not. In fact, bright sunshine increases the contrast and makes the shadows appear darker.

If I were trying to choose a camouflage pattern, I would buy a t shirt in every pattern I was considering and have someone else set them up in the envirionment I was trying to conceal myself in, while I wasn't looking.
I would then try and spot the t shirts.
I would then set the t shirts up myself and have the other person try to spot them.
This test should tell a lot about which work best in that envirionment.

Last, I'd get the shirts dirty (put them on and crawl around a while) and run the test again.

I am an Infantryman in the 101st, with 2 combat tours with the 82nd before this present one. I was in the army before the uniform change, and if you think you might get wet, jungle boots were my favorite. I always liked the OD green ones. I used to wear them anytime I was going to the field at bragg. The desert boots in their various forms tend to hold in water if you get water in them, and water will soak through the suede if you get them wet. If you operate in any kind of a green area, you will eventually get wet. And the jungle boots dry out much faster, even after the inevitable deluge after some @#shole eats the freakin Charms out of the MREs. Don't do that by the way.

After reading this thread,

I unofficially rename it:

MALL NINJA: IN STORE CAMO OPTIONS

I know where some of this is applicable, but I can't help say you guys gotta back out and look at yourselves:).. Much sarcasm and frivolity here....

panzertruppe

Actually it is quite relevant.
While shadows and tree branches may appear black to you, they are not. Put something truly black up against them and see. True black is an instant draw to the eye.

My 2 cents. YMMV.

Not only do the shadows appear black to me, they appear black to everyone else as well. And since camouflage is the art of changing something's appearance, that's all that matters.
Try the test I suggested. And after the first round, don't forget to back up until you can't see the shirts and then try with binoculars and a scope.

It will be an eye opener for you.

That's a fucking good way to get shot.

I said it was dangerous, I certainly didn't say it was smart!

And I don't think some of you can really appreciate this backwards area I made the mistake of moving into. It is still 19th century. Guns and violence are the only thing these people understand. We have a Sheriff who drinks corn whiskey from a jug, a "swat team" that hits the range about twice a year, one of which is so fat you can hear him wheezing at 30 yards. We've shot with them at the range, and with my 45acp I can out shoot anyone of them. I'm talking about missing the paper at 25 yards. They ride motorcycles with the local drug lord, and several have all the signs of meth abuse. Murder is common, and usually written off as "suicide". One feller managed to shoot himself in the head twice with a rifle, which was found 40 yards from the body.

As far as the pack goes, that's what I have in it right now, but I just started a few weeks ago, when I received the pack/load-bearing harness UPS. The original intention of this thread was to state what I had, and to get others' contributions on what I should add. Please feel free to add your 2 cents as to what I should have if I suddenly find the need to disappear into Savage Gulf (a 12,000 acre forest of 150 year old growth) for a few days.
I've been collecting guns for a while, but I've not had the opportunity to really head off into unspoilt land until I moved here. And given the nature of the inbred primitives dwelling here, it would pay to be prepared.

After reading this thread,

I unofficially rename it:

MALL NINJA: IN STORE CAMO OPTIONS

panzertruppe

http://lonelymachines.org/images/dark_helmet.jpg[/img]

That whatcha mean?

Hey, he looks like Dark Helmet, from [i]Spaceballs!

http://facweb.cs.depaul.edu/sgrais/images/Gestalt/urban-camo-b.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/bdu.htm

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An interesting and informative website. I saved that one.

The video, though, a couple of things. I was taught that protruding objects, (nose, ears, brow) should be done in dark colours, and the eyes, etc.. should be done in light to break up the "face form". And that, since nature doesn't repeat, discernible patterns shouldn't be used.
Also, what is it that blocks the thermal imaging when he is lying down, as he shows up walking towards the reporter? (Not that I am ever going to go up against thermal imaging, these cops don't even have gen 1 night vision. Or dogs.)
Speaking of dogs, I've also heard there are two types of "sniffers", ones that sniff where you have stepped, touched etc. and others who can smell the air where you've been. I've been told that moving water can block the first but the only way to block the second is to enter a vehicle then drive. Pepper has no effect on either because they smell it before they get close enough to "snort" it.
Any thoughts?

An interesting and informative website. I saved that one.

The video, though, a couple of things. I was taught that protruding objects, (nose, ears, brow) should be done in dark colours, and the eyes, etc.. should be done in light to break up the "face form". And that, since nature doesn't repeat, discernible patterns shouldn't be used.
Also, what is it that blocks the thermal imaging when he is lying down, as he shows up walking towards the reporter? (Not that I am ever going to go up against thermal imaging, these cops don't even have gen 1 night vision. Or dogs.)
Speaking of dogs, I've also heard there are two types of "sniffers", ones that sniff where you have stepped, touched etc. and others who can smell the air where you've been. I've been told that moving water can block the first but the only way to block the second is to enter a vehicle then drive. Pepper has no effect on either because they smell it before they get close enough to "snort" it.
Any thoughts?

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/camouflage/intermat/

http://www.thermal-camouflage.co.uk/

http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/2008/07/thermal-camouflage.html

Damn, dude where do you come up with this stuff? I especially liked the thermal-fart on the 3rd video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idXgVLpB6bY

A-Rok, that is a nice bit of gear...

Not me, in my dreams, haha!

http://facweb.cs.depaul.edu/sgrais/images/Gestalt/urban-camo-b.jpg

That's imteresting.
What countrry's design?
Year?
I'm guessing Soviet.

That's imteresting.
What countrry's design?
Year?
I'm guessing Soviet.

Yes it's a Soviet WWII urban sniper suit.

http://op-for.com/camo.jpg

Might have to try this camo on the bug out vehicle.

http://fprado.com/armorsite/Leo2_Pics/Leo2pso-02.jpg

Info links

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/accp/in0531/lsn1.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/accp/in0531/lsn2.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/accp/in0736/lsn3.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-9/chap6.htm

I'm not quite following why you posted urban combat strategies. Is it to point out the necessity of urban camouflage? If so, it's kind of irrelevant in my situation, where it is possible to go from Arnold AFB on interstate 24 all the way to Chattanooga and stay in woodland the whole way. (Of course there are a half dozen 200 foot drops and climbs over the gulfs, along with a couple of rivers to cross.) That's almost a two hour drive on the interstate but 2 or 3 week (or more) hike.

I'm not quite following why you posted urban combat strategies. Is it to point out the necessity of urban camouflage? If so, it's kind of irrelevant in my situation, where it is possible to go from Arnold AFB on interstate 24 all the way to Chattanooga and stay in woodland the whole way. (Of course there are a half dozen 200 foot drops and climbs over the gulfs, along with a couple of rivers to cross.) That's almost a two hour drive on the interstate but 2 or 3 week (or more) hike.

There is some camouflage and awareness of muzzle flash and such in those links that apply to more than just urban operations.

When the army did field tests for a new universal combat camouflage multi-cam (see website) came in first. The ACU came in 7th...I have no idea why we are wearing ACUs. German Flecktarn is good for mixed forest environments (no black in it).

OMG ITS AROCK lol wheres my poster.......

Now that Osama bin Ladin appears even more likely to win the election, perhaps some of you could contribute your suggestions about what to carry if you suddenly have to "hit the woods" for 3 to 7 days with a prepared pack. (Assuming ammo and weapons are already maintained according to your preferences.) :confused:

Does anyone else maintain a 3 day supply pack, and what do you keep in it?

my brain. Knife, lighter, .22.

As for "commando bug-out-bag"... Winchester 94, wrangler jeans, Marlboros, water bottle, buck knife, cowboy hat.