Century Golani

A friend of mine just bought one last mon. and i ordered headspace gages for it and got them yesterday. We're gonna do like texlurch suggested and i checked the headspace today and recorded it . We'll probly test drive it Tues. or Wed.
I'd like to get at lest 2-300 rds thru it and then recheck headspace. If it moved any significant amount it'll be going back to Classic.

Headspace checked good today prior to firing it. Closed on the GO and did'nt close on the NO-GO. And i recorded the distance from the front of the BC right in front of the charging handle, to the BC stop surface on the receiver with the BC pushed firmly against the NO-GO gage. This way i can check the dimension after the test drive and see if the headspace is opening up.
Does that make any sense?
The right side bolt lug is making full contact with the right side locking lug but the left side is just barely making contact.
The 2 steel 35 rd. mags fit snug with no wobble , Orlites would'nt go at all .Tried about 5 of em.
Also tried 2 R4's and they would'nt go either.
Function tested the mags with dummy rds. and they fed allright but the nose was deformed from hitting the breechface about .050 below the bottom edge of the chamber opening. There's hardly any chamfer on the edge of the chamber.
It seems like the bullet guide needs to be a little higher to miss hitting the breechface.

The worse part appearance wise to me was the used handguard and pistol grip ,which they had glassbeaded . They are real dull looking . I would think that for 700.00 Century should've, and could've put new furniture on them.

The absolute worse part of the gun is the wrench flats on the barrel .You will not believe what they did to those. It looks like they might have tightened the barrel up with a big pipe wrench and it rounded off the corners of the flats with teeth marks.
I took pics and will post them with a range report in the next couple days.

I'm hoping that it 'll be a keeper but have already got my doubts.

BTW it's serial number is in the 4000-4060 range


Here's some pics of BEFORE test firing............


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loner 42, you aren't kidding about the barrel marks- what crappy workmanship. You'd think after all these years century would have learned that if they'd build stuff right the first time they'd actually make more money and earn lots more customers. Hopefully the Galil will shoot so well (and stay in spec.) that your friend can overlook the flaws. Good luck and keep us posted...

The way the barrel metal is smeared I'd say the damage was done removing the barrel.

That was my thought also...................

Those are scars created by putting the barrel in a bench vise. Looking at the deformed ejector,and uneven contact,along with the scars,it kinda looks like a bubba-build.

It was a Bubba build, a "Century arms " bubba build.............
There's no jaw marks on the flats, just the corners rolled over. I think they used some type of pipe wrench, but i've not seen one with jaws that leave a mark like that and it only left that checkered look on one side............. The ejector looks like it's been heated and it's hard to see in that pic but it's been bent upwards slightly.
I'll have some better pics tomorrow with a range report.

WOW thousands & thousands of builds by the experts @ Century! That sure is some impressive workmanship there. Personally I would return it to them & ask for one that was put together properly & not butchered.
Better yet I'd get my $$ back & put it towards an IMI rifle. You get what you pay for. Just my 2 cents.

WOW thousands & thousands of builds by the experts @ Century! That sure is some impressive workmanship there. Personally I would return it to them & ask for one that was put together properly & not butchered.
Better yet I'd get my $$ back & put it towards an IMI rifle. You get what you pay for. Just my 2 cents.

Hey, if you don't believe it, just ask Oswald....................!!!!
:rofl_smal

Very "Professional", obviously "set up correctly and Qualified". I'd get my money back. Unacceptable.

OK, Range report. We went to the range yesterday and ran 200 rds. of Wolf Classic thru it. Everything went fine till about rd. 65 then the mag started to misfeed with the rd. stopping on the breechface with the next rd. partially out. Went thru that drill about 6 or 7 times and took the mag apart and cleaned it.
I forgot to mention that of the 2 mags that came with the gun ,only one would work at all.
Got the mag cleaned and continued with several more misfeeds until we finally got 200 rds. thru it. Accuracy was’nt as good as we’d hoped for , about 3 ½ in. at 50 yds. using irons off of bags, and shooting grps. of 20.
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No malfunctions other than the misfeeds. Ejection was strong and to the right about 5 ft. and forward about 20 ft. and put a nice little crease in every single case.

Got it home and tore it down for cleaning and inspection and found the following:
The headspace did’nt seem to have changed by checking it again with the NOGO against the dimension I got before firing it, with the bolt and BC. pushing against the NOGO, the gap between the front of the BC and the bolt stop surface of the receiver was .435 using a gage pin to check it with.
It does look like there’s more engagement now with the left lug on the bolt.
However it did look like the right locking lug of the receiver mushroomed very slightly and the ejector has a nice little flat on the front corner
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Another issue is the receiver was not clearanced properly in the corner radius at the front left corner of the bolt stop surface. The lower left corner of the bolt carrier hits the corner radius and moves the BC about .050 or .060 to the right just before the bolt locks up.

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The main problem is the bullet guide -breech face issue. I don’t think chamfering the breech opening is the cure for this problem as you’d have to make too large of a chamfer that would leave the case unsupported enough that might be dangerous. Looks to me like the bullet guide needs to be thicker so the round rides up higher and then glances off a smaller bevel and into the chamber.
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The problem with all this lies in the fact that you’d have to pull the barrel before you could get the bullet guide out to rework it, and with the wrench flats like they are , I’d rather not try that.
So, it looks like it’s going back to Classic.
Too bad ,as my friend really wanted one of these and if he exchanged it for another who knows what it would be like.
Just goes to show ya that it’s always a crap shoot when you buy a gun that has been touched by Century and ORF. I wish it was’nt, but “it is what it is “……………
Anybody else that reads this and has a Century Golani , please pull your handguard off and see if your wrench flats are buggered like this one.and let us know if you’ve had any of these problems or similar issues.
Thanks………………………………………………………l42

Just love how the Bullet Guide is riveted , not exactly centered is it ?.

Sadly , you're right about the "crap shoot".

Yeah, hey, maybe one day and i'll get lucky and find one of these:

"The vast majority of thousands and thousands of Galil ORF receiver builds are fine."

Needle in a Scrap pile !!

Not exactly even bolt contact..Looks like maybe 30% on one side.The guy who built it apparently put a jaw cover one only one jaw of his vise.Flat on one side,diamond pattern on the other.

Just checked out my son's Golani He scored at the Tulsa Gun Show and it has all the same issues except He hasn't fired it yet. The radius in the corner is definetly there as pictured causing the carrier to slide to the right as it locks up the bolt and the front site is slightly canted to the right and the left side windage adjustment screw literaly fell out because the screw was apparently over tightned and the head snapped off right at the base. There is daylight that can be seen under the right side of the bolt lug when holding up looking into the mag well. Sure wish I'd read all this info befor my son bought it. We may just go ahead and take it back from where we bought it from.

Wow this is frightening, I smell a lawsuit.

I can't believe Century would sell something like this, I'd definitely get my money back if I were you.

how can headspace be properly checked if the carrier is being shoved over when it hits the receiver. also, does this contribute to the reason only one lug is contacting?

is that the factory bullet guide or one from a 47 milled kit?



definitely looks like it needs a mode to the barrel to assist feeding

Todd recommended setting headspace with the bolt only which is how i checked it. In reality though, i think it should be checked with the carrier because that's how it's gonna be when running, and that shifting of the carrier could definitely change the lug contact at lockup..................

unacceptable!!! awfully quiet in here...

When Rapid Fire returns my kit/receiver (because the receiver are junk to build on) I'll compare my factory bullet guide to the one pic'd and also compare my factory barrel chamber to the GMB and report back.

I have no experience with cent. but on what grounds will they let you send a gun back? I was looking to buying one of these, if it is junk will they let me send it back for any reason? Do they send you a new gun? What happens?

Thanks

Needle in a Scrap pile !!
I have no experience with cent. but on what grounds will they let you send a gun back? I was looking to buying one of these, if it is junk will they let me send it back for any reason? Do they send you a new gun? What happens?

Thanks
They will pull another off the scrap pile and you will more then likely not get the needle.td