How to submit an idea to the BATF ?

I wish to build a remote trigger sytem, powered electronicaly.
It will be "semi automatic" one push of button = one shot fired.

The idea is for it to be mounted on the weapon itself, not looking to make a sentry gun or anything.

Is this allready entering the BIG NO NO department? Or should I pursue this idea?

What forms do I need...... where can I get em......



Can I submit PLANS to the BATF? or do I need to make a prototype?




Or on the other hand does such a device allready exist?

Electric triggers exist, mainly used on high end target guns. The trigger is connected to a microswitch, the switch kicks a solenoid that either directly hits the firing pin or releases a conventional hammer or striker. There was one rifle that actually used electric primers, the current set it off directly.

Depending on what you want to do (replace original FCG with new electrical parts, activate original FCG with a solenoid and remote switch, etc.) ATF may require a prototype. I would send plans first, if they want an example to examine they will ask for it.

No forms, just write a letter to Tech branch asking your questions. Your local field office should be listed in the front of your phone book, they should know the current address.

They are making black powder guns that have electrical triggers in them.When you pull the trigger it send an electrical charge into the powder causing a spark and the gun fires.It is supposed to be just like shooting a cartridge no delay in firing like cap and ball black powders.Even faster then an inline 209 black powder rifle.As for remote firing I have no idea about this but wouldn't a gun mounted on a tank or jet or helicopter be considered remote firing?td

They are making black powder guns that have electrical triggers in them.When you pull the trigger it send an electrical charge into the powder causing a spark and the gun fires.It is supposed to be just like shooting a cartridge no delay in firing like cap and ball black powders.Even faster then an inline 209 black powder rifle.As for remote firing I have no idea about this but wouldn't a gun mounted on a tank or jet or helicopter be considered remote firing?td
Yes but those are full auto. Used to be linkage...... I assume its all electric now.............


Because electricity can be so easily minipulated to "pulse" (hence full auto) I was figuring it was a big NO NO or modern guns.

If it is indeed legal....... or can be decided as legal....... IMAGINE THE BUMP FIRE with a MICROSWITCH!!!!

Got the idea from paintball........ may be some sort or copyright stuff LOL

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I am pretty sure that you would have to send a working prototype, along with instuctions on how it is to be installed, and on what weapon to the ATF Tech branch, for them to test it, and to make a deterninition if this device does not violate any NFA rules.............. if it doesn't violate any NFA rules then a letter will be sent back, saying so, and saying that return of the device is on your dime.

just sending in plans may not be good enough, they will want to test the acutal device to see how it works on the weapon.

You don't need permission, just do a search on BATFE approved/disapproved systems. Then submit the idea to BATFE Legal Dept. for a legal Finding if you can't find a similar ruling.
I do know one thing, you can't use an electric motor or a microprocessor controlled 'pulse' that is initiated by a single touch of the trigger switch. No way, no how.
Some folks tried the electric motor hooked up to a Tri-Burst type device (The kind you hand crank that cams the trigger in-out as you crank it) and ATF ruled it an illegal machinegun.

So what stops someone from building a machine gun as a prototype. Getting it up and running, then submit it to the ATF? If they do not approve it, are they then in possession of an illegal machine and are prosecuted for it?

-myers

So what stops someone from building a machine gun as a prototype. Getting it up and running, then submit it to the ATF? If they do not approve it, are they then in possession of an illegal machine and are prosecuted for it?

-myers

You need a Class II ? manufacturers license first.

You need a Class II ? manufacturers license first.

BIG DITTO!! otherwise ya have illegally manufactured an unregistered NFA weapon

Thats my point.

At 19 John Garand designed and built a functioning machine gun that was tested (inadvertently) by the US Government.

Today that same person would still be in prison.

-myers