View Thread: Valmet clone? Possible?


Roland
I posted something similar in another thread but I decided to post it here as well. I am planning on buying an Arsenal of this type:
http://teraasekeskus.com/tuotteet.asp?osasto=kivaarit&pageOffset=&ID=1821

I have been entertaining the idea of converting this rifle into a Valmet clone. Or a Sako M92s clone. I would just like to know if it is even possible? The M62/76 conversion would look simpler, the dustcover with sight will fit an arsenal if you take off 0.5mm of the front. I have dustcovers and other parts I can buy here in Finland.

Even if the combined gasblock combo from a valmet would not fit I could atleast achieve a really good lookalike effect with a bulgarian one, which I believe ought to fit. As you can see valmet parts can be found inside Finland:

Gasblock for M62:
http://www.av-ase.fi/show.asp?display=1&id=1306

Front sight base:
http://www.av-ase.fi/show.asp?display=1&id=1188

Front sight post:
http://www.av-ase.fi/show.asp?display=1&id=1295

Still maybe I am only wasting my time with this? Is a valmet conversion even possible? What gives me the biggest headache is the rear sight block on the arsenal, it would have to be replaced with whatever the valmets use instead.

allesennogwat
Sounds like too much money and too much work and likely would never look right. We have a Chinese Norinco Hunter here in America that is a Chinese copy of the Valmet hunter but in 7.62x39. It will take the military magazines. Some people convert them to look like military Valmets.

Roland
Well in that case atleast I could settle with a new front sight / gas block combo.

What is otherwise a good base gun then for making a valmet clone? The Valmet Hunter you mentioned as well as it's clone, are there any others?

Roland
I was looking a bit more for the norinco hunter and stumbled onto this
http://www.ultimak.com/AKReceivers/MilSide.jpg

Milled reciever, it looks very similar to the valmet reciever and the arsenal as well. Now it looks like to me like the rear sight block is fastened onto the same thing on the reciever that the gastube sits on in a valmet. So I dunno it looks like it could be made to work.

I'm figuring atleast 200e in parts, gastube, sights, gasblock, handguards.

nalioth
Norinco Hunter (pic taken off the interweb). The receiver looks nothing like that Ultimak picture.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/crzyjoefx4/100_1012.jpg

Roland
You are right, I was going it say I meant it looked quite similar to an RK-62 but upon closer inspection that is also false, I see amongst other things that the the M62's reciever slants upwards heavily, as does the Norinco Hunter. On the RK-95 the slant is there too but less pronounced. Still the place where the frontsight block is pinned down looks very similar to where the gas-tube on a valmet/galil would go, I am curious if it would fit without major modifications.

Still even if it would that does not mean one would have a real valmet clone, more like some kind of frankenstein gun.

EDIT, here is a picture to explain what I mean, the gastube here is moved slightly backwards and you can see where it is held on the reciever. This place on the reciever, based on the pictures I have seen, looks like it could, possibly, hold a valmet or galil type gas-tube instead of arear sight block like it normally does. Am I making sense here? Is this observation utterly false? I certainly understand if it is since I have only pictures to go on and the last time I touched a valmet was 9 years ago.

To put it simply I'd like to get rid of the rear sight block alltogether and have the gas-tube connect directly to the receiver. I'd really like some way of doing it, doesn't matter if it won't become a true valmet clone.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z12/Skuggish/Valmet_gastube.jpg