Galil Advice Needed (Question for GP)

So I've slowly been gathering parts for a Galil build. I bought a .223 receiver from ORF #RFG007XX. Finally sourced a New IMI barrel, packed everything up and ws ready to send off. Now cruising some of the boards it seems this latest batch of receivers has it's fair share of problems (supposedly corrected in the latest receiver generation). At least one builder is not taking on ORF builds anymore.

So I did some quick checks on my own receiver last night. In test fitting the bolt I noticed that the bolt lugs do not have an equal amount of contact on both sides. The left lug recess on the receiver is further back than the right lug recess. So my question: Is this even fixable?? Can material be removed from the right lug recess? How will this effect the case hardening of the receiver? What effect will this have on the ability to headspace?

GP are you still building these anymore?

Advice appreciated..even if it's to dump the receiver and buy an IMI rifle for $3500

Thanks!

Anybody seeing locking lug recesses out of parallel on these receivers? Problems with the left hand bolt lug not contacting receiver? If so what are people doing modifying the receiver or the bolt?

Any input would be helpful...

First thing I would do is contact the manufacturer. ORF might be willing to examine the receiver and replace it if it is defective. I would at least give them the opportunity to make it right. The next possibility is have ORF do the build for you. Then they will have to make it right. Another option is send it to another builder and get their opinion. One way or another you will need to get it checked out.

IMHO

JJH

this might help in some way to even the stuff out or help fix a hard bolt closure.

the radius pictured below with the arrow pointing to it is incorrect. Notice how the radius is not the same as the corresponding one on the carrier.

http://www.gunjunkie.net/images/builds/galil/galilb49.jpg

This mismatched radius makes it impossible for the carrier to move fully forward. Here's the gap on the other side caused by the incorrect radius.

http://www.gunjunkie.net/images/builds/galil/galilb50.jpg

These gaps need to be removed so that the carrier comes to rest on the receiver other wise the chamber will take quite a beating from the combined weight of the carrier and bolt .photos of the Galil carrier mated to the receiver stub off the Russian milled AK47. The difference in the radius is clear.

http://www.gunjunkie.net/images/builds/galil/galilb51.jpg (http://www.gunjunkie.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46#)


A 5/16 end mill worked well. The carrier mates up to the receiver correctly now.




http://www.gunjunkie.net/images/builds/galil/galilb54.jpg
http://www.gunjunkie.net/images/builds/galil/galilb55.jpg (http://www.gunjunkie.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46#)

http://www.gunjunkie.net/images/builds/galil/galilb23.jpg

I hope these pictures help in your problem

Great job!

Thanks very much for the input guys. I was referring to the actual locking lug recesses in the receiver as opposed to bolt carrier contact with the receiver. Without the carrier in place and looking from the top of the receiver, the left lug recess is not parallel to the right lug recess. Only the right lug on the bolt is making contact with it's mating surface inside the receiver. Either the right lug recess on the receiver or the right lug of the bolt will likely need to be modified so both lugs contact. Depending on how much material needs to be removed this also may cause headspace problems

This coupled with some of the heat treat issues that some people are describing have the potential for some major headaches.

Rotate the bolt all the way to right and see how the left lug and right lug sit then.

From another post of mine:

Todd at ORF said to check it on a field gauge and that the receiver was just seating itself in. :(

I did also notice that the two surfaces where the bolt contacts the receiver are not correct. The bolt only contacts the right side. I think the receiver is taking all the impact on that side and is beating the surface back, causing the headspace to increase. The headspace may or may not continue to increase after the left lug finally begins to contact the receiver. Who knows. I communicated this to him and he did not comment.

After reviewing the AZEX forum it seems I am not alone. There are LOTS of these receivers out there now and unknowing owners who will never know to check headspace may be in for an ugly suprise. Wow.

I think I can probably back up what your talking about. My barrel sat deep and had to be clocked due to precuts by GM on the barrel.
I did find that bolt contact was heavier on one side by putting titanium white paint on the receiver and watching how it tracked on the bolt. I made a fixture for grinding my bolt lugs with a stone on my mill. Once I had even contact, I could take off even amounts from each lug when headspacing by using the indicator on the mill table. Everything was cool for the first few hundred rounds, then I noticed that it was closing on my no-go gauge. Checked again and I can get it to close on a field gauge.......new bolt on it's way.
After looking at everything, it looks that even though I had thought I had taken enough off the radius on the right side of the receiver that there is still hard contact. Best guess estimate is that the wear has caused the headspace to increase.
I haven't read the posts over at AZEX, but I'm going over to check now before my new bolt comes in.

i haven't finished the commentary, but there are 30 new photos on my website describing the "new" ORF receiver.

UNder "Notes" / ORF Galil 2

i haven't finished the commentary, but there are 30 new photos on my website describing the "new" ORF receiver.

UNder "Notes" / ORF Galil 2

Ooh, can't wait. Ugh, looks like a lot of metal needed to be removed.

Mark, I called you a week or two ago - another guy with a new Hebrew marked receiver and new IMI barrel and parts kit.

Well, absent an IMI receiver, I'm committed now....I wish I'd know that there were problems - these had been well received, er, receivers before. Otherwise I'd have saved up for an IMI or something. I'll stay tuned. OODA LOOP

My reply to your e-mail bounced - undeliverable.

please check your "reply to" settings.

Looking forward to more review, as I am in the same boat. RFG 800 series receiver, new IMI chrome-lined...waiting for all my US parts to arrive. I ordered a stripped spare bolt (newer) from SARCO and am trying to get a reply from the R4 parts guy (want an R4 front sight and ring). Then engrave and off to GP.

Interesting...in a fairly current Shotgun News article,the guy is building a galil,on an orf receiver,and had the same problem of lugs not contacting evenly.I think he ground down the contacting lug until the other finally touched.Either israeli bolts have uneven lugs,or somebodys receiver has uneven recesses.

Interesting...in a fairly current Shotgun News article,the guy is building a galil,on an orf receiver,and had the same problem of lugs not contacting evenly.I think he ground down the contacting lug until the other finally touched.Either israeli bolts have uneven lugs,or somebodys receiver has uneven recesses.

You're just jealous of ORF! Where is your receiver? Oh - you don't make one? Then shut up - you have no business making observations about the Perfect-in-every-way ORF receiver. Why are you so full of hate? Nobody likes you. Everybody hates you. Eat some worms. You are an arrogant a$$Hole. Don't you have anything better to do than criticize your betters? It took a lot of guts to turn out a defec . . . oooops, 'scuse me, a "perfect in every way" receiver. You're just jealous. IMI specs. must be he has defective bolts. gen-1, gen 2, gen 3. READ MY LIPS Perfect in every way.

You're just a petty , jealous, vindictive schmuck. And your mother wears army boots. And you wear funny clothes. Shut up.

LOL!

Denial = NOT a river in Egypt :wink_smal

LOL!

Denial = NOT a river in Egypt :wink_smal
You're right !-- I've heard it's in Ohio.

Oops! My mistake.

LOL!

Actually,its my SISTER that wears the army boots. WO1.Been in since green fatigues and steel pots.Did basic with an M16A1...or was that an O3?.?.

Actually,I'm kinda surprised nobody has kinda reverse engineered a heavy gauge sheet metal receiver for the galil.You'd have to mill out a front and rear trunnion,but heck,if a Romanian peasant can...I think the end result would be a far superior end product.

Red Jacket has some stamped receiver 'Galils'.

http://www.redstick-firearms.com/firearms2/firearms.html



I'm kinda surprised the Israelis didn't produce some stamped receiver Galils.

At least for the paratrooper and/or special forces guys.