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the eXiLe
05-07-2007, 04:12 AM
Police officers have been handed a special translation guide to help them deal with Romanian crime suspects, it emerged yesterday.





The initiative has been introduced to tackle a crime-wave involving East European thieves and pickpockets who are targeting London's West End. Since Romania joined the EU in January, thefts and handbag snatches have soared as organised crime gangs and beggars trawl the streets in the hunt for cash and valuables.



When stopped by police, most Romanian suspects claim they cannot speak English - hindering investigations into their activities.

In a bid to help overcome the problem, 1,600 officers in Westminster have been issued with a ten-point guide to the Romanian language so they can communicate more effectively with Eastern Europeans seen acting suspiciously.

The form - officially called "Stop and Search translated into Romanian Language" - features ten basic questions that suspects should be asked.

They include the Romanian version of "Excuse Me!" (Scuzati-ma!), "Can I have a word with you?" (Pot sa vorbesc cu tine) and "Can I ask what you are doing in this area?" (Pot sa intreb ce faceti in zona aceasta).

Others include "Please tell me your surname and forename" (va rog sa-mi spuneti numele de familie si prenumele) and "Signature, please!" (Semnati aicai v rog!)

Each Romanian translation is accompanied by a phonetic version to help officers pronounce the question correctly.

However rank and file officers have complained that there is a fundamental flaw in the well-intended scheme - what should they do if a suspect answers back in Romanian?

One said: "Some of us have enough problems speaking English correctly, let alone trying to converse in Romanian.

"If a suspect answers back in Romanian, or indeed any other foreign language that we are not familiar with, we are no further forward.

"Some of the lads say they have no idea what language someone is answering back in, let alone whether they are telling the truth.

"There is no doubt that this scheme was well-intended. Unfortunately there was not a plan B.'

A Scotland Yard spokesman said:

"Since the beginning of this year there has been an increase in thefts of personal property in public places across Westminster.

"We have carried out a number of pro-active operations to tackle this issue, working closely with Westminster City Council and local businesses.

"During operations to tackle this issue, we have made a number of arrests.

"An important part of any investigation is identifying the minority of people involved, anything that assists us in the investigation, and helps us to bring the small number of perpetrators to justice we will use.

"We have issued officers across the borough with a guide note when dealing with members of the Romanian community in order that the officers can actively pursue enquiries more effectively."

Police have deployed extra patrols and instigated "in your face" policing tactics in a bid to curb the increase in offences by Romanians, who in police jargon are officially known as "non-visible ethnic communities".

Many of those arrested are serial offenders who were deported from Britain as illegal immigrants before Romania joined the EU on January 1.

Up to date crime figures were not available last night.

However in January, there were 545 pickpocket offences committed in Westminster, compared to 454 during the corresponding period last year.

On London's Tube system, there were 544 theft offences committed in January, compared to 494 in same month last year. Of 27 people arrested for pickpocketing offences on the underground during that month, 22 were of Eastern European origin.

Detectives believe that dozens of gangs of pickpockets - working in groups of three - have arrived from Romania since the start of the year and are preying "full-time" on shoppers and passengers in central London and on the Tube.

In many cases, the gangs include a mother and young child who play a key role in distracting victims.

With almost military precision, the thieves use well-rehearsed tactics to rob people of cash.

Typically, they "shoulder-surf" a member of the public at a cash machine to get his pin number.

Once cash has been withdrawn, a gang member will deliberately bump into their target to distract him.

During the commotion, the victim's purse or wallet is stolen and credit card used almost immediately to withdraw the maximum amount of cash.

Police say that dozens of opportunist thieves from Romania, who are homeless, are also operating in central London.

They trawl streets, restaurants, bars and coffee shops on a daily basis looking for victims.

Last July a leaked Home Office report suggested that up to 140,000 migrants from Romania and Bulgaria would head to Britain, including 45,000 potential criminals.

These were identified by immigration officials as having links to crime, immigration offences and passport fraud. Their names were circulated on a confidential "warnings" index' circulated among Whitehall officials.


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the eXiLe
05-07-2007, 04:14 AM
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"I vant to fondle your buttocks"

"I vill not buy dis tobaconists, eet is scratched"

festus
05-07-2007, 06:58 AM
Question : How would unemployed Romanian street people manage to get to England in the first place? If so, how can we send our street people to England ?
I would feel free to assume that these Romanians are actually Gypsies , brought over deliberately by others in their tribe to continue doing what they have been doing for ever, petty crimes and swindles.

the eXiLe
05-07-2007, 07:40 AM
Ahh, I'm pleased you asked that one as the answer is quite simple.

They would cross Europe, either by stowing away on lorries/trucks or by paying a proffessional people smuggler (for want of a better word) to transport them by van all the way to Calais, France. Once near the port, the very thoughtful French authorities give them basic facillities while they attempt to cross into the UK by stowing away on trucks or vans to get to 'Treasure Island' as it's known.

If you are wishing to send your 'street people' to England, simply send them to Calais where they will be cared for by the kindly French Govt. until they can make the crossing to begin a new life as an 'illegal' in good old Blighty. There is no charge for this service, but the US Govt. may incur some initial cost in getting them over the pond. But once here, they are encouraged to stand on there own to feet and enter England by whatever means is avaiable to them.

I think that more or less sums it up.

festus
05-07-2007, 08:13 AM
So they illegally arrive in England with no passport, no visa, and no command of the English language. Once there they are free to go about committing petty crimes and siphoning off government services meant for the English citizens. What ever happened to imprisonment and deportation?
Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons? Do they only go to England to do the work that the English won't do?

the eXiLe
05-07-2007, 09:54 AM
Yes, but of course there are those who enter the country illegally and as soon as they hit the UK soil they claim to be an Asylum Seeker! So they get to apply, a nice and lengthy process which no doubt costs the UK a small fortune.

Do they do the jobs the Brits won't do? I think what happens is they do the jobs the Brits would do, but for less! Does that sound familiar?

The main influx currently, or the one I'm most aware of is from Poland. Many builders in the UK are using Polish labour. Who's at fault, the immigrant or the employer? By all accounts they are very good at their jobs, hardworking and of course, far cheaper to employ, wonderful eh!

Deportation? Well yes, but it all takes time and money and in the end they often end up staying anyway after some lefty champions their cause and gets the deportation order overturned.

allesennogwat
05-07-2007, 10:39 AM
Hungarian is very difficult. Romanian is fairly easy.

allesennogwat
05-07-2007, 10:41 AM
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the eXiLe
05-07-2007, 10:45 AM
I am no longer infected