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allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 06:55 AM
India should maintain massive troop levels in its part of divided Kashmir even though the daily death toll from a Muslim insurgency has fallen to an all-time low, a senior official said Friday.

"The daily rate of killings of civilians, security personnel and militants has dropped from 10 in 2002 to three in 2006 (and) two a day lately," Jammu and Kashmir state governor Sriniwas Kumar Sinha said in a statement.

Police officials told AFP that the current average daily toll was the lowest since the start of the Muslim revolt against Indian rule in 1989.

The governor said the security situation in Kashmir, which is divided between India and Pakistan, was improving -- but asserted "the guard cannot be lowered as the threat of violence continues."

"Once peace returns in the state, the forces can return back to their barracks," he said.

India has an estimated half a million troops and paramilitary soldiers in Kashmir, the cause of two of the three wars between India and Pakistan since their 1947 independence from the British.

With violence down thanks to a peace process between the South Asian rivals, Pakistan and separatists have linked the region's demilitarisation to lasting peace.

But India's army opposes an early withdrawal of troops, saying this could help the rebels whom it says operate with Pakistan's support. Islamabad denies the charge.

According to official figures, the insurgency has left more than 42,000 people dead. Human rights groups put the toll at 70,000, including 10,000 people who have disappeared since 1989 and are presumed dead.

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 06:56 AM
http://sg.yimg.com/xp/afp/20070504/16/2397619560.jpg


No Indian troop cut in Kashmir despite drop in killings

TaosBob101
05-04-2007, 11:23 AM
I like Brens

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 01:25 PM
Yeah, they are cool looking, I guess the one in the pic is the 7.62mm LMG?

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 01:26 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Bren1.jpg/300px-Bren1.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bren1.jpg)

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 01:27 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Bren_gunner_of_the_Royal_Scots_06-11-1944.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Bren_gunner_of_the_Royal_Scots_06-11-1944.jpg)

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 01:28 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bren2.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bren2.jpg)

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 01:36 PM
Yeah, they are cool looking, I guess the one in the pic is the 7.62mm LMG?


Yeah it's the Indian version in 7.62mm.

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 01:41 PM
We carried it in Northern Ireland, mainly in the urban enviroment, very accurate. On the reciever, it always made me laugh, the stamping BREN, had a line through it and the new designation stamped below, L4A4 or whatever it was.

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 01:51 PM
We carried it in Northern Ireland, mainly in the urban enviroment, very accurate. On the reciever, it always made me laugh, the stamping BREN, had a line through it and the new designation stamped below, L4A4 or whatever it was.


The British 7.62mm BREN's take an L1A1 type magazine but curved and 30 rounds. The South African 7.62mm BREN's take a metric FAL type mag and there are 30 round versions.It's a straight mag,no curve.

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 01:53 PM
I seem to remember it being straight on ours, could be wrong, I'll have to look at some old photos.

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 01:55 PM
Well it's not as curved as the 303 BREN magazine but more curved than the FAL magazine.

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 01:57 PM
You've got me thinking now, shit I'll have a look see in the photo album.

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 02:02 PM
I've only got one shitty picture of a buddy carrying it, but the mag is definately straight. If you want to see the evidence I'll try to get a scan of it and post it.

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 02:16 PM
I have some British L4A4 magazines.In photo's in they do look straight just tilted forward as are the Indian ones.If you look at the South African ones then you'll see what a straight magazine looks like in a BREN.They don't tilt forward or have that look.

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 02:20 PM
I honestly can't remember, but I'll take your word for it alles'. Yeah maybe they do tilt forward, like I say I'll post the pic. It's a long time ago, 1985, damn am I that old.

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 02:30 PM
Here's a photo of the L4A1 British 7.62mm magazine with the front catch machined to fit metric FAL's.

http://www.dsarms.com/images/11730MU.JPG

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 02:31 PM
http://www.dsarms.com/images/117L1.gif

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 02:32 PM
http://www.dsarms.com/images/117L1U.GIF

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 02:33 PM
7.62mm L4A1-magazine.
Unused.
Wrapped in greased paper.

http://swat-team.fi/images/products/1606_big.jpg

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 02:35 PM
The photo I have, the mag is way shorter than that, just looks like an LIA1 mag bunged in the top.

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 02:41 PM
Oh the 20 round L1A1 magazine will fit the British one too.

allesennogwat
05-04-2007, 02:42 PM
You can see the perfectly straight 30 round mags here but not the south African one.

http://www.guncity.co.nz/7.62x51-slr-l1a2-full-auto-military-style-rifle-ccat-xidp128482.html

the eXiLe
05-04-2007, 02:46 PM
Thanks man, I thought I was going mad. All the time I was posting I kept thinking 'I'm sure you could only get 20 rounds in the ones we had.'

The bastards, you mean to tell me there was a 30 rounder available and they never let us have them.....that's just bloody typical.