Own a converted auto. Move to the states??

Here in Canada, I'm grandfathered to own a converted automatic (Ex-Full auto) type firearms.

I currently have a Russian Type 3 AK47 CA. (Converted Automatic)

Now, say I have a job, that wants to relocate me to the states.

Can I bring all my firearms with me? Can I apply for a class 3 licence? Then reconvert it back to original configuation?

Or do I have to do the aweful job of destroying my guns?


Dutchie

I really doubt that you can bring them over in thier current condition. The only FA weapons here legal for the everyday citizen had to be registered before...1988? No more new 'transferable' FA's will be available, ever. This is why the ones available bring such high prices. Full auto AKs are $8K+ and full auto M16s are $10K+.

I'm not sure that you can bring in your AK's as semi-autos. Hopefully somone else will chime in that knows more about the importation of firearms. Good luck!

The ATF holds the regulatory position that once a full auto always a full auto. Even if the entire weapon is permanently rendered to fire semi only, the intact receiver will always be considered a full auto weapon.

Just an idea...

Can you dissassemble the rifles from the receiver, leave the receiver in Canada, bring the parts kits into the US as personal property. reassemble using a US legal semi receiver. Maybe (just maybe) you might avaoid a lot of hassles and even keep you status with the Goverment du Canada as a licensed owner?

As the other posters said, the receiver itself will ALWAYS be an MG under US law. Disassembly is one option, but with kits down here going for $90-$200 US, I'd leave the original intact and put it in storage. Even as parts, you still have to get an import permit from the state department, and bbls are prohibited from being used for a new build. There are also the legalities involved in a non-citizen owning firearms. Prior to 9-11, the rules were pretty lax. Not sure if they have changed or not, but I would definitely check before you come on down. Be a bummer to wind up at Gitmo for going target shooting.

Stay in Canada is another option.. Here in the Land of the Free, you cannot buy or own such cool weapons.. Such as the Sig rifles, Chinese M14s, and your full autos...

So, can I build a select fire AK from parts and get a class III for that?
Sergeant

No, you need a Class II Permit to Build your own "postban machine gun"
and the receiver has to be made by you.

Ive been wanting my father to get his class II(We own a machine shop) and the license is only $500, but the deal would be I have to pay for it each year, and being only 16, and paying for a car/insurance and paying for my Ammo habit :D , it would be kinda hard to do that.

Check out your state laws

I guess the law is having it's intended effect.

I guess the law is having it's intended effect.



What do you mean?

They are making it difficult ($) for the little guy to go full auto.

I have used full autos and tri-burst for years. I thought it would be fun to own one. I am finding it more expensive than I thought. You can't just bring one back with you anymore.

Yeah, it does get pretty expensive, especially the pre-86 guns, the lowest Ive seen was 4 grand and it was a sten!

For those who think owning Class 3 items these days are “expensive”….

Let me point out this little tid-bit of info… (And this is from memory now- from almost 20 years ago)

I read along time ago that at the time the $200 “fee /tax” was put into effect in 1934, $200 was the equivalent of $10,000+/- in today’s money!!!!! They put a tax on them since they couldn’t “ban” them, using the interstate commerce laws and such as the basis to be able to do so.


In my mind a $10,000 tax sort of “infringes” on my right to keep and bear arms. Same goes for the $200 tax, and the high prices of available weapons in effect is an “infringement” of that right as well. Prices are only going to go higher (unless they ban everything totally) As the prices go up, “infringement” goes up as well… ($4,000 for a sten gun?, give me a break !!!!!)


PS: I’ve heard off and on over the years that they wanted to raise the $200 “fee” /tax to $1,000…. Ditto on my feelings on that as well if that rumor is true.


Hey if anyone is interested, and this does tie in with firearms, class 3, etc…. There is a “Flat Tax” and a “Fair Tax” proposal going around right now. The Flat tax KEEPS the IRS….. THE FAIR TAX… gets RID of the IRS !!!!!!!!!

I’ll say that again:

THE FAIR TAX… gets RID of the IRS !!!!!!!!!

THE FAIR TAX… gets RID of the IRS !!!!!!!!!

THE FAIR TAX… gets RID of the IRS !!!!!!!!!

NO IRS…. Can you see how that would affect things?


Get behind it people !!!! The time for the IRS to close it’s doors has come.


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The irony of it all is this. The revolution started in part over people have to pay stamp taxes. Thats exactly what you DO when you pay the $200, it's a stamp tax.

-myers

The irony of it all is this. The revolution started in part over people have to pay stamp taxes. Thats exactly what you DO when you pay the $200, it's a stamp tax.



read a little bit of history, before you try to fit what the 200 dollar tax for a NFA weapon in context to the stamp act.......you're trying to fit something that doesn't have one thing to do with the other.

Is it trua that in Canada, only people who currently own FA weapons can possess them (no new sales - even of exising weapons), and when they die, their heirs can not inherit them - they have to be turned over to the governement, who promptly melts them down and uses them to make man hole covers.

That way, within one generation (probably less since most FA owners tend to be at least in their 30s, if not 40s or 50s), ALL of the FA weapons in Canada will have been turned over to the government becauase all the current owners will be dead.

I think I read that from a Canadian on this board, or some other.....

Canada blows

Actually it is the goverments that blow. They always use whatever current event to droll out more laws - they operate under the obviously erroneous belief that by banning guns, limiting ownership, imposing heavy taxes and various bans keeps guns out of bad guys hands. Point of fact criminals have more disposable income to spend on their "work" neccessities. So they continue to buy them - while the average Joe gets the meatpole in the ass. This faulty attempt at curbing gun violence has been proven wrong in study after study - but the beat goes on.

And I would not gloat over those super gun deals up north too much - below you will find a quote from another post on this site. I think your laws are going to stiffen much faster than ours and you can kiss those sweet deals goodbye.

Canadian Press

Published: Wednesday, December 07, 2005


OTTAWA (CP) - The Canadian Press has learned that Prime Minister Paul Martin will venture into a violence-plagued area of Toronto on Thursday to announce a sweeping ban on handguns.

Martin is scheduled to visit Toronto's troubled Jane-Finch area to make a "safer communities announcement.''

Liberal sources have confirmed the announcement includes a ban on handguns.

Handguns are already severely restricted in Canada and a handgun registry has been in force for more than 60 years.

But a rash of recent gun deaths in Toronto has prompted Martin to promise to crack down even more.

Gunfire was responsible for 50 of the 74 murders so far this year in the city.

The rash of shootings prompted city police to launch a gun amnesty program in November, during which they collected 261 guns and more than 1,500 rounds of ammunition.

A ban on handguns is likely to be popular in Toronto and other large urban centres, like Montreal and Vancouver, where residents have been disturbed by recent gun violence.

On Tuesday, Montreal residents marked the 16th anniversary of the massacre at Ecole Polytechnique, where 14 young women were gunned down.
© Canadian Press 2005


End the end either government is full of shit with these bans and thats my .02

Ya we blow allright

REAL russian AK47 cost me $400. canadian

real H&R M14 cost me $600.00

real Thompson 1928 cost me $750
M1 carbines i have over 40 of them and never paid more then $300 each
m2 carbines a winchester and an inland $250. each

all prices are Canadian you dollar is approx $1.25 to ours at the time i bought the above you dollar was $1.50 ours so
Ya canada blows

And they are all semi and you are restricted to 5 rds right?

Would be cool as a collector, but would suck as a shooter.

Dont get too full of yourself..

Are canadian mounties armed, or do they run around with cattle prods like the character on WWF? (Serious question here, never been to canucklund.)

Bet they aren`t restricted to 5 round magazines.Always have a cashe somewhere ,of things they are going to ban--you made need them.