CTD Tantal Kits

[Eugene Onegin]

What do you think ,no mag,no FCG for $169.97 ?

[lhaines]

Forgive my ignorance, but who is CTD?

ETA: I figured it out, and since it is only the three round burst mech and mag that is missing. I would say it is a pretty good deal. Mags are @8-10 bucks, and you can't use the burst kit anyways.

[Eugene Onegin]

I'll give them a call today to find out if all the numbers match and the condition.

[mojotron2000]

Do let us know.

[at_my_command]

So is there a web site for "CTD"?
Thanks

[Eugene Onegin]

www.cheaperthandirt.com

[lmsc07ct]

Great, no shipping to CT. More $$$ for the racecar!!

[XHardrock]

What do you think ,no mag,no FCG for $169.97 ?

Thanks for the post.
Got 1 on the way.

[Petro]

Great, no shipping to CT. More $$$ for the racecar!!
Such crap about CT. :mad_small :AR15firin

[horseman]

I looked at the add on thier website and the pic is kinda small but I do not see the safety/selector?

Is the safety/selector included with the kit?

[XHardrock]

Horseman
I doubt it is.
On the last tantal build I went the easy route and used a romy safety and G2 trigger assembly.
Mine is suppose to be here tue., I can let you know.

[horseman]

Thanks Hardrock.

How hard is it to install the original safety on these? I hear they are a bit diferent than other AKs, like they can be worked with the thumb while the right hand is on the grip. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[XHardrock]

Thanks Hardrock.

How hard is it to install the original safety on these? I hear they are a bit diferent than other AKs, like they can be worked with the thumb while the right hand is on the grip. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You would have to do a search on the fcg, or maybe someone will stop in with more info than I have.
I built mine about 6 mnths ago and for ease of build and US parts count, I opted for the romy replacement.

Received the kit from CTD today, all matching, no fcg, and about 70% of the finish remains. The barrel looks great.
Not as nice as the kit I got from Dans awhile back, but I'm very satisfied considering the price.

[horseman]

OK, I did the search and found the pictures. Seems like it would take longer to install this than it would take to build a whole AK. I guess if NODAK SPUD were to make a reciever for it I would try it.

Here is the thread with the pics of the special Tantal selector............

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10058&highlight=tantal+safety

[resting]

Hardrock,

Did your kit from CTD include safety and selector? I'd like to go with the original parts and assemble a look-a-like on an AK Builder flat. Not such a great price if you have to buy those pieces separately.
Thanks.

[XHardrock]

Hardrock,

Did your kit from CTD include safety and selector? I'd like to go with the original parts and assemble a look-a-like on an AK Builder flat. Not such a great price if you have to buy those pieces separately.
Thanks.

No it didn't, but you should be able to pick the parts up fairly cheap.

[resting]

Hardrock, Thanks. I'll check around and then decide. Inclined to go with DPH's grade 2 but will see what the savings miht be.

[resting]

Anyone have any leads on sources for the Tantal selector and safety levers to finish the CTD kits to look like the originals?

[horseman]

I was browsing Cheaperthandirts website and they had this to say about an AKM kit:

"fire control components have been removed for your safety."

I'm sorry, but I won't buy shit from elitest bastards that feel they have to protect me from myself. Everyone knows the parts they removed are perfectly legal.

Good luck anyway to those that choose to buy these kits.

[XHardrock]

I was browsing Cheaperthandirts website and they had this to say about an AKM kit:

"fire control components have been removed for your safety."

I'm sorry, but I won't buy shit from elitest bastards that feel they have to protect me from myself. Everyone knows the parts they removed are perfectly legal.

Good luck anyway to those that choose to buy these kits.


Didn't know you had your class 2 license, in that case they are legal.
I would like to have 3 rd and fa also.

What is involved with class 2 manufacturing?

[XHardrock]

Didn't know you had your class 2 license, in that case they are legal.
I would like to have 3 rd and fa also.

What is involved with class 2 manufacturing?

[horseman]

Didn't know you had your class 2 license, in that case they are legal.
I would like to have 3 rd and fa also.

What is involved with class 2 manufacturing?

No sir, I am not a manufacturer, just a grunt that also happens to be a shade tree gunsmith. It seems I would have to gain a hundred pounds or so to qualify for a manufacturers license! Have you seen some of those guys!?

I have reinstalled plenty of auto sears/disconnectors, (hell, I've shot people too) but it is for my fellow servicemen or those from other countries that need a little extra help with a malfunctioning weapon. Sometimes this has involved a little filing to get it to "time" right. Tools needed? Some type of multiplier. It is nice to have a hammer sometimes to tighten up/fix loose/bent receivers too. the AK sure is the perfect third world weapon.

As far as manufacturing, excuse my ignorance, but I am not familiar with the 3 round burst mech in a Tantal. (There are Polish troops here in Iraq with their new 5.56 nato AKs, (Beral?sp?) but I haven't had a chance to take any apart.) To make a semi auto AK into a full auto involves drilling a hole in the receiver and milling a slot in the right receiver rail for the disconnector then installing it.

Unfortunately, the National Firearm Act of 1934 makes it illegal to do this in the US without a class II license. NFA '34 was basically a reaction to the actions of gangsters of that era. It was passed as tax legislation to discourage ownership without an outright prohibition. Keep in mind that the amount the tax cost, $200, was a lot of money in 1934.

This law controls the ownership of machine guns, silencers, shoulder stocked pistols, "sawn off rifles" (barrel under 16") and shotguns (barrel under 18") by requiring federal registration and a tax stamp for each one owned. The tax stamp is acquired by the registration process and requires paperwork, signature of local law enforcement, etc. along with a $200 tax The tax on "any other weapons" (AOW) was changed to $5 later on in the game.

In 1986, the Firearm Owners Protection Act made it illegal to manufacture new machine guns for the civilian market, so even if I had a class II manufacturers license, I could not alter an AK for a private party in the US.

However, you don't need a license to posess the knowledge of how to manufacture NFA weapons or even to own the full auto trigger mech of an AK, and you may use the full auto parts, including the bolt carrier, to construct an AK as long as you stay within the law as far as parts count and do not modify the receiver to, or posess a receiver that will, accept the "auto sear" (disconnector).



It would be a Federal crime. ;) HTH

Once again, good luck with your Tantal.

[dalegribble]

OK, I did the search and found the pictures. Seems like it would take longer to install this than it would take to build a whole AK. I guess if NODAK SPUD were to make a reciever for it I would try it.

Here is the thread with the pics of the special Tantal selector............

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10058&highlight=tantal+safety


If you are building on a factory reciever with the standard selector setup you would have to weld up the old holes and redrill them lower and a bit forward. I just cut an 80% bentmetal blank to accept the tantal safety and left side selector. Originally the left side selector was only to change mode of fire, but I think it can be modded to act as a conventional safety. Modding the 80% blank only took about half an hour. You can use the pin retainer plate from the 3rd burst mech to lay it out on the outside of the receiver.You just chop the burst mech off of the plate so it will lay flat then put the pins in the fcg holes and lock the plate onto them, but on the outside of the receiver. Then you can use a marker to trace the outline of the keyhole onto the blank. Do the same on the other side but just trace the top of the hole as it will need to be drilled out to about 3/8in. This probably sounds confusing, but when you look at the parts hopefully it will make some sense.

[my-rifle]

I'm going to defend CheaperThanDirt, because I've had very good experiences buying from them, and because I think I know why they remove the FCG from the rifle kits they sell. You have to keep in mind that

1) They're selling "parts kits", and it's easier to defend oneself from marauding lawyers when you remove the full-auto components.

2) The ATF is always hovering around this industry, and any way they can find to help keep off the ATF radar is good for them. This disclaimer helps them, and is a fig-leaf for arms dealers to hide behind.

Now CTD has the best prices around. I have two of their Tantal kits (see www.my-rifle.com, and look at the gallery to see the Tantal kit I bought from CTD.), and they did me right. $152 is cheap for a Tantal kit. If you don't agree look around and try to find a better deal. It's the same with their ammo. Good prices, and a good product.