AK-47.net bans discussions of Arsenal/K-VAR! [Archive]

Texas Patriot

03-09-2004, 07:53 PM

Guns Net.......Aren't they the same guys that had a "protected status" given to one of their mods or chief contributors who was also an "AK assembly smith" that finally got in big time trouble with the Kansas Attorney General?

IIRC, he was taking everybody's kits, receivers and $$'s promising reasonably quick turn around times and then taking up to 2 years or more and still not getting the finished product back out to the owners. Turned out to be a real scam artist, but the Guns Net crew would not tolerate any negative criticism about this guy.

Maybe now, they are just avoiding any controversy whatsoever?

This has got my curiosity up too.

Ought Six

03-09-2004, 07:55 PM

KVAR has been advertising on AK-47.nuts since day one. Arsenal is not only an advertiser, they have their own manufacturer's forum there. As 'Deep Throat' said, "follow the money".

MiniZ

03-09-2004, 08:04 PM

Actually KVAR has not sponsored Gunsnet in a long time-hence the reason they are finally "banned".

There was a short lived banning(KVAR would appear as XXXX in posts).
I guess they are going to try and get it to stick this time.

sniper69

03-09-2004, 08:26 PM

KVAR has been advertising on AK-47.nuts since day one. Arsenal is not only an advertiser, they have their own manufacturer's forum there. As 'Deep Throat' said, "follow the money".

I believe it is two different arsenal companies. The one with the forum at gunsnet is global trades/arsenal usa. K-var is arsenal inc.
Here is a thread about the k-var issue there click here (http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143430&highlight=kvar)

if the link doesn't work let me know and I'll post the contents of the message. By no means am i saying I agree with gunsnet on the issue, but then again it isn't my site. I see it as I'll buy from whoever has the best price and best customer service. Besides I need to place another order with k-var tonight or tomorrow for some stuff they have.

I think the issue goes with the fact that k-var doesn't pay advertising dollars to gunsnet so they don't want them mentioned. This came from a past thread about k-var having cheaper waffle mags than joeken and it came out about joeken being a paying advertiser and k-var wasn't. This is what I remember anyway and if I can find that thread a link will be posted to it.
so has the money been followed? :sidegrin_

ZOID ZODIAN

03-09-2004, 09:26 PM

On 03/08/04, there was a lengthy thread with many replies, including posts by moderators.

From what I can remember reading before the thread was deleted, the administrators referred to:

1) The owner of Arsenal being a lowlife (I took them to task for this one) and that we would never buy any more of their products if we knew the truth. This "truth" was something they were curiously unwilling to discuss, even to the point of threats. SUSPICIOUS POINT NUMBER ONE.
2) They referred to a member of that board being a "yes-man" for Arsenal, but again, would not provide details as to why this is bad. (We all are yes-men for our favorite products at times). SUSPICIOUS POINT NUMBER TWO.
3) They confirmed that the problem was a "relationship" issue between the Gunsnet and Arsenal's "tactics" as they termed it. It is not a safety issue having to do with Arsenal's products.
4) There were repeated veiled threats to board participants not to even bring up the subject anymore.

All of this is highly suspicious, and suggests a number of possibilities:

1) Moderators of Gunsnet are pissed at what they perceive Arsenal/K-VAR to be using their forum for "free advertising" in the form of mostly positive posts from certain board members. Gunsnet approached Arsenal to get them to pay for advertising and were summarily rebuffed. (This is my own personal opinion as to what happened: Arsenal probably indicated that they already pay for advertising on AKFiles and the K-VAR forum, and do not NEED AK-47.net).
2) Arsenal approached the Gunsnet for whatever concession they wanted, using strong-arm or other unethical tactics. The administrators' posts on the deleted thread were phrased in such a way that they would like us to THINK that is what happened, but I for one do not believe it. I side with choice 1.
3) AK-47.net learned some behind-the-scenes information that Arsenal/KVAR are doing something to hurt/hamper/discourage participation on the Gunsnet website, since it "competes" with the forums that Arsenal/KVAR participate in.
Again, a possibility, but I still side with choice 1.

Blicerode

03-10-2004, 08:42 AM

Dthorns usual business practices, I see.

The site is a joke. The mods are a joke. A year from now they'll have half as many members. In eighteen months they'll be advertising beanie babies.

Thanks again,Jen for this site.

SPINE

03-11-2004, 01:01 AM

joeken, wayne,and all the piss poor smiths that pony up coin are ok ??? global trades would be wise to pull the plug before it's to late!

SPINE

03-11-2004, 01:17 AM

obtw don't forget how they pissed on lois at centerfire!

ThunderGod

03-11-2004, 12:11 PM

Umm, take a look at some of the Sponsor banners for this site. Coincidence?

ErikJL

03-11-2004, 08:20 PM

I was banned for expressing my distaste for their "pay-only" conversion. F-them. There are plenty of other good sites, like this one, where you're not guilted into sending them money to "support" the site. BS- their servers are still slow as hell.

ZOID ZODIAN

03-11-2004, 08:43 PM

Folks, I am just as proud as I can be of the fact that with my last post on AK-47.net I was able to get them to admit that there is no first amendment on their forum.

I had long suspected that such was the case, but I am glad I got them to ADMIT IT.

That is as good an excuse as any not to participate in their forum anymore.

I kind of like this forum, and I privately e-mailed several Gunsnet members inviting them to join us over here. So, we'll see...

Sheik Yerbouti

03-11-2004, 08:43 PM

obtw don't forget how they pissed on lois at centerfire!

Can you elaborate on this? I only started reading over there recently. Why would anyone want to do Lois dirty?

ErikJL

03-11-2004, 08:53 PM

I'm curious to hear about this as well!

spray-n-pray

03-11-2004, 09:39 PM

I have pretty much given up on gunsnet.

They used to have the best group of members for AK topics. But then they decided that you have to pay to read the content generated by other members. Then they keep the people who pay for access in the dark about the best sources & prices for purchases. Who in the hell is going to pay for censored info - censored for gunsnet financial gain ? LOL

I have come to the decision that I really don't care for the business practises of the owners/mods. It isn't any one hot button issue, just the weight of all the sh*t they have pulled in the last year.

I have been a voluntary contributor to gunsnet in the past (as well as any other forum I frequent - bills have to be paid). I won't be sending them another dime ever. I think I'll just double my annual contribution to Jen instead. More importantly, I will never mention gunsnet to any vendor I purchase from.

I hope that this forum grows, the host is much more personable.

s & p

ZOID ZODIAN

03-11-2004, 11:01 PM

Well, I just noticed that the powers-that-be at Guns-Not have deleted the entire thread where we pointed out their embarassing and childish stifling of the first amendment.

I just hope somebody out there downloaded it and will be kind enough to put it back on the internet where it can live forever...

223

03-13-2004, 01:52 AM

I bet they got really pissed when their longtime lacky JoeKens long awaited Bulgy mag fiasco got undercut by KVAR.

Then they always have their other famous lacky Chief Thunder,or is he in jail?

ZOID ZODIAN

03-13-2004, 08:11 PM

Looks like I just got banned from Goonsnet! After hearing that they had banned "right-clicking" on anything to download it, I went back into my photo gallery and erased all my photos. Since then I can't even get the forums to display.

Somebody on AR15.com had a similar problem and the person answering says this means you've been banned.

Oh well...they benefitted more from me than I did from them.

SangRun Hunter

03-14-2004, 12:01 AM

ZOID ZODIAN

03-14-2004, 12:08 AM

I'm not sure I know what the 'ORF' thing was. I spent most of my time at the Bulgarian section, so the Arsenal/K-VAR thing was to me like telling Mario Andretti he can't talk about Chevy engines.

I've been toggling back and forth between this website and www.gunco.net/forums (http://www.gunco.net/forums) so I already don't even feel like I'm missing anything with Goonsnet.

AR15.com is okay, but never impressed me that much. I've been checking in to watch them hurl invective at The Forbidden Zone, but even I'm beginning to look at this in a positive note: it's time to move on; it's time to support websites that don't have psychos working for them. I think between this and Gunco, there is more than enough participation to keep everybody happy. I've been deliberately doing a lot of posts to Gunco just so people will find something interesting to talk about, but I'll do some more posts here, too, so's not to play favorites--at least not yet!

SangRun Hunter

03-14-2004, 12:22 AM

The ORF deal was his denial of the fact they build great rifles as well as Inrange, The post are gone over there, but they live on at AR15.

Both of those vendors make great product and have great service. He didn't like people saying so on the review section which I was modding. I quit modding as it was the last straw for me and I pulled back from the board.

Some of my last post have even vanished over there.

What happened was I had a really busy weekend and wasn't on the forums very much. I missed a post that was basically and advertisement for ORF. Of course that is against the rules and I don't blame him too much on that. I had no idea it happened and when I explained I had family issues he said my family was no excuse. He basically said I had a duty to the board.

Oh, I kept the whole trascript of the PM's that went back and forth between me and him.

It's sick! He thinks his mods are slaves to his site from what I can tell.

Can any mod honestly say he or she is on 24/7?

I remember being a mod over there and having an issue I needed his advice on and he never replied. That actually happend many times.

The pay per view forum membership crap was another factor in my quitting too.

That place is going into a nose dive!

ZOID ZODIAN

03-14-2004, 12:24 AM

Pay Per View! I didn't know about that one either!

SangRun Hunter

03-14-2004, 12:33 AM

Pay Per View! I didn't know about that one either!

What I mean is you have to be a bronze level to see many different forums.

The main one was the BIY forums and it was a way to generate more cash.

BTW: We are under attack at my new place by a person called Obiegeweherkanobi. He is sending e-mail about me being a plagerizer and what not.

Someone has been trying to hack me really hard since lastnight on my PC. Can you believe these tactics?

Is it that bad? They have to smear people and act like 13 year olds?

ErikJL

03-14-2004, 01:01 AM

Glad to see you've joined the exodus, SangRun. I agree totally with the nosedive comment. The Admin there need to pull their heads out before it's too late.

sniper69

03-14-2004, 06:00 AM

the pay to view forums there - BIY 1 and the lounge. Most who contributed to the BIY 1 forum - and helped make it what it is are no longer there. Why should someone have to pay to view threads they have participated in?

jerrymrc

03-14-2004, 06:54 AM

ZZ. It was there. When I tried to look up building a AK-47
That is where you will find the "Money wall"

sniper69

03-14-2004, 08:26 AM

scubadvr

03-14-2004, 12:17 PM

Guys the great thing about this hobby are the choices. With that, it takes all kinds. Frankly, you read and browse, you will find a board or boards that meet your needs. This has, is and will be a great board. Choice, its kind of the American way.

Agcsy

03-14-2004, 07:16 PM

SHR i posted in the ORF review that Dthor decided was an ad and i am the one who probably ended up getting it locked. ATM i do not own a ORF gun but i have fired and handled an ak build and a fal built by them both were fine guns. I pretty much posted that and put up a pic of an ORF krink and a mod'd WASR-10 that atlantic firearms sales made by ORF. Well Joe Joe the dancing anus clown aka Dthor decide that i was a "shill" and started talking wicked shit and locked the thread. So i apologize if i may have played a part in your being given the boot from ak-47.net . I just hope others over there realize how blind their loyalty to this dthor guy is and what may happen if they fail to march in step.

Jen

03-14-2004, 07:44 PM

Yeah, the pay per view thing happened relatively recently.

I personally think it's a great way for them to kill their board among the other stupid things that go on there like banning talking about certain vendors. :confused:

Anyways, To all those seeking refuge - Welcome Aboard. Grab a chair, sit back and enjoy!

SangRun Hunter

03-14-2004, 07:54 PM

Agcsy,

No problem with you at all. My mind was made up to leave a while back when I couldn't stand selling my soul to the Devil come to the internet anymore.

Here's a snippet from one of my last PM's with him.

I was explaning to him why I had not been on the board that weekend.

Me:
My kid was sick and my Mom needed me over the weekend not too mention I tore the basement door out of the back of my house over the weekend had to cut the foundation out for a new one.

David:
Well, I am sorry but I got problems here as well I deal with each and everyday but I don’t use them as excuses.

It's a no brainer! When I saw this paragraph I knew it was time to go!

CAMPYBOB

03-15-2004, 07:36 AM

well...since jen chimed in!!!

folks, to hell with the dorknutz!

this board offers far more.

zoid, did you know that jen rebuffed thorton long before you did?

in a few short months this board has plowed davey into the dirt. davey is railing against the new gunco board...laughing at how small it is.

well, assaultweb (spun away from the dorknutz) was once small. so was the ak side of ar15. so was this place.

gradually, ANY board soon leaves the insanity of the hyena pack in the dust.

pull up a chair and surf the falfiles and the akfiles! you will find truthfulness and honesty here.

ZOID ZODIAN

03-15-2004, 08:10 PM

zoid, did you know that jen rebuffed thorton long before you did?

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I'm finding more and more people who can make that claim! A lot of them sent me private e-mails during my "last stand."

For those of you unfamiliar with my "last stand" at Goonsnet, the day they banned discussion of Arsenal and K-VAR I stood my ground, didn't back down, and tried to force them to either compromise or tell us what so ticked them off about that company. Calling the owner of Arsenal a "lowlife" is a pretty serious epithet for the head of an internet board. In other words, if some yahoo who just logged on says it, so what? But for the owner of the board to say it, I just thought if they were too chicken-sh*t to substantiate it, then they ought to shut up.

True to form, they responded with threats of banning people, deleting and locking threads, and just in general showing their a**.

I've been surfing AKfiles for some months now. I also plan to surf gunco. Since I like both boards, for now I want to be fair to both. I'd like to post threads to both, and if I may be so bold, I think I submit an interesting thread here or there. So, to be fair, I'm going to post my "General Discussion" threads at Gunco.

Since this forum has a special forum for Arsenal, and my AK threads 95% of the time involve the Bulgarian AK's, I'd like to get the moderators' feedback on posting all my Bulgarian AK threads there. I don't know if you reserved those threads for questions and comments directed to Arsenal itself, but I wouldn't mind posting stories of my match experiences with my Arsenal rifles, some of the things I've experienced like muzzle brake removal, flash from the muzzle, etc. , involving my Arsenal SA M7's.

I guess what I'm asking the moderators is: would it be all right to post personal experience threads to that board as long as it involves Arsenal rifles, or have you guys reserved that forum for questions/comments directed to the company itself?

Thanks.

Jen

03-15-2004, 10:33 PM

The vendor forums are primarily for comments, questions and general interactions with the vendors themselves.

I will eventually be splitting up the AK-47 and other board into specific rifle categories as the need arrises, so post to your hearts content in the AK-47 discussion forum. Best place for information posts.

ZOID ZODIAN

03-15-2004, 10:37 PM

Cool thanks. (I posted basically the same question on the board comments forum, so you can ignore it).

gp35fn

03-24-2004, 02:37 PM

ZOID ZODIAN-you got banned at AK47 net too! man so I'm not the only one-I was posting on their FAL forum and complained about TAPCO-refered people to DSA for better parts and got banned-yea I also made a 1st amendment comment on my posts-they really don't like that. I remember you now from the Bulgarian section.

CAMPYBOB

03-24-2004, 05:23 PM

gp, we can be thankful for the 'files boards!

gp35fn

03-24-2004, 06:54 PM

CAMPYBOB-yes it is much better here-much more relaxed feelling then on the "net". ;)

ZOID ZODIAN

03-24-2004, 08:15 PM

Yes, my new favorite forums are AKFiles and www.gunco.net (http://www.gunco.net/), although I'm also beginning to like http://www.hk94.com/hk/index.php?act=idx because they have a budding AK section also.

7.62x39

03-25-2004, 10:08 AM

Dim-wiT likes to make it sound like he booted us of his own volition.

We had gunco up and running for at least two weeks before he locked us out.

When we opened the doors, we knew full well, that as soon as he got wind of it we would be banned, so it certainly came as no surprise when it happened.

So just to set the record straight, We left, We did not get booted.
Both this site and AR15 have been very supportive of us, and We in turn respect both of them as intelligent, well run sites.

They have welcomed us at their sites, and We have embraced them at our site.

It's a big net out there, and plenty of room for like minded boards to co-exist.
That is of course, unless they are overseen by a 4 year old.

SangRun Hunter

03-25-2004, 01:24 PM

I have to thank Jen and the guys at AR15 for being supportive of those of us who were booted.

Like 7.62X39 said the baord was up for a while before we were booted. Not to be a jerk and correct him, but it was 3 weeks that it was up and running before anything happened.

So far we have had a huge amount of positive response for our polite attitudes and being helpfull to new members. I'm very happy to have been asked to join in a month ago by the guys there.

nordland

03-25-2004, 07:30 PM

I quit being a mod due to the ORF thing. The KVAR thing really made me mad. I mean how can you tell your whole membership that a name of a huge vendor is banned?

I'm banned now and I'm happy! Who cares! I spent so much time swallowing my words it wasn't funny. Now I hear from friends that I am being accused of stealing site content or some crap.

I just paid them $70 for membership fees since the begining of the year.

BTW: Hi everyone!
Sangrun....you are Taboo over there....Being the curious
type...I asked what happened to Sangrun?.....and a few others asked....whats the mystery?....The thread was deleted....For what its worth...I think you was one of the better Mods over there......Pax.... Nordland

Don Galt

03-26-2004, 09:14 AM

On 03/08/04, there was a lengthy thread with many replies, including posts by moderators.

From what I can remember reading before the thread was deleted, the administrators referred to:

2) They referred to a member of that board being a "yes-man" for Arsenal, but again, would not provide details as to why this is bad. (We all are yes-men for our favorite products at times). SUSPICIOUS POINT NUMBER TWO..

That was me.

I made the mistake of posting that K-Var had discounted Bulgarian Waffle mags there. This was at the time that Joeken had been promising them for over a year. Kvar ran a special, and I wanted to let my "fellow ak nuts" know about it.

Apparently, they decided I work for Kvar or some other BS and made a bunch of such statements, and then banned me from the forum.

The admin of that forum is basically dishonest-- has helped GG (Solstice Arms) rip off many dozens of their members. He has lied repeatedly about businesses and people he doesn't like. And he doesn't even keep to the terms of his own forums rules.

IF you ever have a bad experience with one of their sponsors, you're not allowed to talk about it there.

I'm returning the favor.

I will not do business with:
AIM Surplus
Blackjack Buffers
J&G SAles
Joeken Firearms or
TAPCO

anymore. All these companies sponsor AK-47.net, and have tied themselves, thus, to a person who has shown himself to be no friend to AK fans.

Just in case anyone is curious-- I've had no association with K-Var other than placing one order with them. Hell, I didn't even buy the item that I was telling people about-- I just knew people would want to get in on that discount.

Don Galt

03-26-2004, 09:58 AM

It looks like discussion of KVar is not completely banned:
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150326&perpage=30&pagenumber=2

This thread follows a very interesting pattern. It shows the general psychosis of that site.

It starts off with someoen surprised that his Joeken mags are heavier than the KVar mags-- since they both are selling bulgarian waffles, he wonders what the difference is.... and sooon its discovered that the Jokens have a metal follower. People ask why. Other people say "Who cares if they work"

Theny boycunt jumps in and says:
"Hey don't get me wrong I want you all to voice your opinion. That is the beauty of this website but I know from past conversations that what some members says may not be what the sponsor was told or what the member actually told the company."

In other words, you're free to give your opinions-- but you're liars!

And then:
"I am not here to say who is right or wrong but when I read this thread and then the part about weighing magazines.

Good Lord if the magazines fit and function what the hell is the problem??? I mean I have 4 different kind of Waffles hell I have like 5 different kind of Colt Mags.

Get off your sopbox guys your wasting my bandwidth."

Which is funny, cause since he has a penchant for banning people, I thought saying who was right and who was wrong was what he lived for!

And of course-- now all the posts to that thread are from moderators weighing in saying the same thing "it doesn't matter", etc. etc.

I'd think someone who just bought plastic mags because of weight would care about the fact that what they got is a difference configuration than is generally expected.

Also, I noticed that they changed their terms of service to say "Anything you post here is copyrighted and owned by us". This fits with them now charging for access to the BIY forum.

This is BS and is frankly, outright fraud. My posts there were not made under those terms. I retain copyright on all my posts. Them claiming ownership and selling access to them is theft.

AKFiles, for instance, does not claim ownership of posts.

I invested time on that board, and contributed to the community. Now this a$$h01e is profiting off of that, and the contributions of many others... I hope jen makes a million from advertising here, and if I stick around, I'll contribute money here too-- but a deal is a deal, and if you put up a board where your business model is selling advertising, and people are free to post and read others posts-- you don't get to change the terms on a whim.

Preacherman

03-26-2004, 01:34 PM

That place has really changed since 1999 when I first signed up there under a different user name. The website management was never around in those days. Contrast that to the present time and the management/owners/moderators are all overbearing, crazy and have a wolfpack yes man attitude.

I'm more or less a thread reader now as opposed to posting and getting caught up in the mire.

AK Files is A-Ok. I think I'll stick around and stay a while.

ZOID ZODIAN

03-26-2004, 10:16 PM

That was me.

I made the mistake of posting that K-Var had discounted Bulgarian Waffle mags there. This was at the time that Joeken had been promising them for over a year. Kvar ran a special, and I wanted to let my "fellow ak nuts" know about it.

Apparently, they decided I work for Kvar or some other BS and made a bunch of such statements, and then banned me from the forum.

.
I'm not disagreeing with you; in fact I AGREE they probably meant you, but the way it was phrased I could not help but think that the goons were also referring to me and the person known as Original-SSR (who usually goes by SSR99 on other boards).

SangRun Hunter

03-27-2004, 09:06 PM

Sangrun....you are Taboo over there....Being the curious
type...I asked what happened to Sangrun?.....and a few others asked....whats the mystery?....The thread was deleted....For what its worth...I think you was one of the better Mods over there......Pax.... Nordland

Thanks Norland, I appreciate it.

Unfortunately things didn't work out for me at Gunsnet. After being told my family was less important than my duty to the board by the owner I quit being a mod.

I was popular over there if I could toot my own horn a little. People often came to me asking what was going on. A mesage usually started like this:

You seem like a decent mod here, what the hell is wrong with so and so?

Or it would go on to say " I think I'm going to get banned because so and so just told me I'm not allowed to bring up (insert topic the owner doesn't like here).

For me it became too much and too many people who had never done anything wrong before were popping up to tell me things that I had only heard rumor of before.

I didn't fit the profile, I wasn't a hardass willing to debase people for asking simple questions. I became friends with the guys who started www.gunco.net/forums and when Gunsnet got wind of that they cut me loose without warning. I expected that and knew it would happen, I could care less..

There was some confusion on Gunsnet's part as they thought I had started the board and was the owner. The accused me of stealing content and all kinds of other stuff that has mostly been rumor. Who knows what is being said anymore about me in the power cirlces over there.

Come on over to Gunco and join there too! Make sure you join up at AR15 too. Do it just because. LOL!

oldjarheadfart

03-29-2004, 06:46 AM

SangRun, maybe you could answer a question for me regarding your time as a mod at goonsnet. What criteria did/does Dthor use to select mods; and does he pay you for modding, since he expects you to basically do a 24/7 watch on his boards? How does he get such power that people kowtow to him, and become "YESMEN". From what I'v read about him and heard others say, he's a real weinie wannabe. Claiming to be a navy seal and then getting found out was hilarious. I spent my youth in the Marines and Army (9 years in Airborne and S.F.) and trained with Navy Seals, so I can attest to the fact they are one damn fine outfit. I'm surprized one of the Seal teams didn't do a mission on Dthors head for that, cause they're a lot like a biker gang;i.e. you don't falsely claim membership in the gang without some heavy repercussions from the gang.
OJF

SangRun Hunter

03-29-2004, 10:11 AM

oldjarheadfart,

I'm not sure how he chooses his mods. I was chosen to run the Anti-Gun Hall of Shame because I brought the idea up and I was a good poster back in the day.

I never got paid, but I cannot answer for anyone else over there. I never even got a free t-shirt or hat. You would think a guy that runs a big site could at least do that for his mods and admins once in a great while.

A friend of mine that is a regular poster and we go shooting a few times a year wonders why anyone wants to be a mod.

It's easier in some places to be a mod than others. My term at Gunsnet was not easy as I don't like to keep my mouth shut about things. Personally I like to give back and be involved in some way. I like to do it in a polite non-abusive fashion also.

I think people are worried that they will loose their star power if they decide to leave gunsnet. What is troubling is the reputation people have earned over there and what it will do to them in the future.

There are some really decent guys over there getting their name dragged down by putting up with the bannings and the no talk of certain vendors on the site.

They ought to have a master list of things not to be discussed over there in the rules. That way new guys can be informed of what to not say.

Just some answers and thoughts.

CAMPYBOB

03-29-2004, 06:41 PM

I think people are worried that they will loose their star power if they decide to leave gunsnet.

indeed, that is true!

i have always been hard pressed to figure out why some folks want some sort of 'fame' or attention and seek it out in any manner of stage.

it is easy to spot the mods and staff that enjoy helping other people and making friends as opposed to those on a power trip or in search of exsposure.

What is troubling is the reputation people have earned over there and what it will do to them in the future.

my father had a saying, "the truth will out!".

no matter how deceptive the actor, no matter how well rehearsed the lines, no matter how well scripted the plot...the truth becomes known in the end.

7.62x39

03-30-2004, 10:32 AM

Well, I must admit that I was kind of proud of my trader rating over there (71 positives with 0 neutrals or negatives)

Not from any kind of a fame standpoint, but I think it might have made others, more comfortable when dealing with me.

But I certainly don't miss all the other BS

sniper69

03-30-2004, 11:10 AM

the falfiles has a trader rating sytem too. I would agree though that having a good trader rating makes it easier for others to see what kind of person they are dealing with. Mine at gunsnet isn't quite up to yours - but 47 is a good number too, lol. Either way it seems on the internet that all one has is their reputation and a good trader rating seems to go hand in hand with a good reputation. I check out gunsnet from time to time just to see how it is going with the lack of participation at the BIY I forum. I find myself posting hardly at all at gunsnet though (at least posting a whole lot less than I used to). Just my opinion of course ;)

Don Galt

03-31-2004, 01:59 PM

ak01q

04-02-2004, 08:46 AM

Wow, I have been away for too long! I didn't know this was going on. I'll have to go over there and ask a few questions. Hey, maybe my tee shirts will be worth something as collectors items soon :D .

I have purchased most of my stuff from K-Var and I can tell you from experience that I have had less trouble with them than all the rest. Bob over there know my name and that makes me feel pretty good. I ordered some of the Polish mags from AIM and I was the one who discovered the cracks. I don't think they liked it when I posted about that. As a matter of fact when I sent them back for exchange they just sent back a check.

I ordered multiple times from Global and had issues with most of those orders. I spent more money on shipping costs than I should have had too. I just feel that if you sell something it should be defect free. That's their jobs to sort out the crap from the good. The one good thing I can saw about Global is that I did get two FEG receivers out of them before they took them off the market. Too bad they over-priced them. But that's capitolism, I didn't have to buy them. I never ordered from JoeKen, after waiting for nearly a year for the Bulgy mags and reading way too many post about their business practices I knew better.

So for me what has worked out well is to buy from K-Var and have AK-USA do the work that I can't do myself!

Bloodhart

04-15-2004, 11:52 PM

If you stick with gunsnet for any length of time, you deserve the reputation you get by association with them. If you are aidind and abetting an organization that has defrauded its own users (Gary G anyone?) broken its own rules (arbitrary topic bans, and banning people who have not broken the rules) and defrauded its users (Charging for content it doesn't have the copyright to) you deserve to have your reputation besmirched.

Don't be a mod for ak-47.net and then say it wasn't you-- even if you weren't responsible, integrity should have driven you away long before they decided to kick you off.

Whoa dude. That's pretty harsh. There are a lot of members on gunsnet that are fine by me. I've only been there a year and a half or so but it's been long enough to form opinions. For one thing there is a lot more going on there than any other ak site. Some one here claims that site loads slow. The only site that loads faster for me is gunco. And it's tiny. Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the other site or any other site. I guess I'd rather take what I want from all the sites.
I can definately understand the angst from the people who have their toes stepped on. But that's between them and the owners. IMO if you want to make a site work don't alienate the people you are going to need to make a site great.
Like I said, I'm relatively new to ak sites but it's clear to me that gunsnet isn't the only one in the wrong. There wasn't any clear winners out of that pissing match and it doesn't say much for either. There has been more $#!+ slung over this issue than I saw in all my years growing up on a hog farm.

CAMPYBOB

04-16-2004, 10:49 AM

There wasn't any clear winners out of that pissing match...[b]

oh yes there was.

everyone that boogied away from the dorknutz madness has been much better off.

[b]There has been more $#!+ slung over this issue than I saw in all my years growing up on a hog farm.

ok...if you worked on a farm then you know there's a good reason for everything that happens or gets done on that farm.

well, there's also some darn good reasons all the shit got slung about the dorknutz over the last 3 or 4 years.

no other firearm board has faced the long held, accurate criticisms and consistant derision that the dorknutz have worked so hard to position themselves directly in the path of.

if i may be so bold as to suggest, they get exactly what they've earned for themselves.

Bloodhart

04-17-2004, 05:36 PM

It doesn't seem very clear to me. There are still the comments that you said that some are worked up over. There are comments they have said that your side gets up in the air about. Whenever either side attacks all the members on gunsnet or ar15 it's just stupid IMO. I know you say that you don't, but whenever this comes up it doesn't take long for the thread to condemn the entire site.
Don't take me wrong. I know you got your reasons and they have theirs. What you guys miss is that there are a lot that just don't care.
I'm going to take my own advice and shut up. Later.
By the way when is the next shoot in Ohio?

Don Galt

04-18-2004, 10:05 AM

Bloodheart--

Gunsnet has been complicit and instrimental in perpetrating fraud on their members-- Gary Gucciano is a "gunsmith" who took many of their members to the cleaners-- took their gun parts and their money and then never did the work. When people complained in the appropriate forum, they were censored.

Gunsnet runs a public website, and all postings remain the ownership of the contributer. Then 6 years into this, they change their terms and start profiting off of the postings-- that too is fraud. They didn't provide a provision for them to do this in their participation terms until recently-- thuse those 6 years of postings are not owned by gunsnet, but by the people who made them (many of whom are now banned, naturally.)

Finally, they seem to attract the seediest of the vendors, and they protect them well, by preventing anything negative from being posted on the forum.

They do such a good job of deleting and censoring posts, that many people are there in ignorance of what's really going on... and that's a real shame.

IF you have any friends over there, you'd do well to tell them about other AK boards and get the word out... I'd like to see some joint marketing efforts. Gunsnets getting their name in the Joeken ads in shotgun news was a smart move. These competing sites should do something similar.

gunsnet was apparently the original ak site, and the current management BOUGHT it, and bought the large number of users. It takes awhile to kill a large site....