Match grade AK?

[Skilter]

Is there such a beast in your opinion?

Is there match grade 7.62x39 ammo?

[MartinS]

Never heard of a match grade AK. As for ammo, find out what your rifle likes the best and that's your match grade.

[Ought Six]

I do not think there is any real match ammo available in 7.62x39mm. Silver Bear claims to be very high-quality ammo, but I have never tried it. CorBon sells a 150 grain SP hunting load, which I assume would be up to their usual high standards.

You can always reload. I have heard a few people say that the 125 grain .308 dia. Nosler BallisticTip bullet works well, even though it is slightly undersize. It is a great hunting bullet, and I can attest to the fact that the BallisticTips are right up there with match loads in accuracy and quality. Sierra makes a 174 grain .311 dia. MatchKing bullet, but I suspect that would be too long for the 7.62x39mm case, and the velocity would be pretty low. There are plenty of 150 grain .311 dia. bullets you can reload with, but none of them are boattail match bullets.

Check out this thread for more info:

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85

And BTW, we do have a forum here just for ammo discussions.... ;)

[Packrat]

I'm pretty sure there is no "match-grade" ammo for the 7.62x39, but for 100 and 200 yd shooting you don't get that much more from the boat-tail bullets. And the .003" difference in diameter doesn't lose that much accuracy either, so you can go with any of the .308 dia bullets. I've heard a couple of places that the 150 gr bullets shoot better in the x39 than the 123-125 gr anyway.

A couple of suggestions: loosen up the handguard and the gas tube so that neither binds the barrel; let it float, more or less. And you can bed the handguard and reduce the horizontal dispersion (at least, it works on the Saiga). I've thought about putting a steel or aluminum block that would fit snugly into the receiver as a mount for the lower handguard so it wouldn't be touching the barrel at all, if you really wanted to float the barrel.

[JakeTheSnakeOO7]

There really is no such thing as a true match grade 7.62x39mm round. The round itself is not meant to travel long distances and stay on a stable course. People can bullshit to you and say that they can make their own rounds that are match grade which is true I'm not shitin on anybody that does, but if they do their wasting their time and money. The 7.62x39 round is meant for one thing only really which is fire fights. Say what you want but the only true assualt rounds that can be made to go the distance are the 223. and what many US snipers are starting to use the 308. I get alot of the match grade NICE brass from those boys to reload.

AK's are made to punch holes in people and kill them.
223's and 308's can get the same result with one well placed bullet

[JA]

Yes
The Poly Tech Legend National Match rifle and the post ban version the MAK-91 have the words "National Match" stamped on the receiver. Also they have 3 Chinese letters stamped on the right rear of the receiver that translate to "precision degree gun". The Chinese college student that did the translation for me was here getting here masters degree. She though it was strange to see the precision degree markings on a gun as she had only seen them used on scientific equipment like microscopes,measuring tools,scales,and other lab equipment. For pics check the "Milled receiver
MAK-90/MAK-91 rifles" info on my web pages at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jfreeman246/page_2.htm
There is not any match grade 7.62x39mm ammo. But ammo with .311" bullets like the Chinese steel core will make a ass out of all the Russian ammo currently imported. Reloads using Sierra 125gr .311" bullets has proved to be the most accurate over .310" bullets.
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/643442
I have read several reports from people that get very good accuracy from thier reloads using .308" 150gr bullets.

[woody]

I had a chance to handle one of these at the Market Hall Gun Show in Dallas last weekend. It was as described in the previous reply. The ser. # was 00004. The asking price $2100. in as new condition. The barrel looked to be 19" or 20" and was made in Austria by Steyr using hammer forging. A unique interesting rifle to say the least. :ak47: woody

[IVIETAL IVIan]

I have seen Remington 7.62x39 ammo, but thats it. I can keep 4" groups at 100 yards and 2" groups at 50 yards offhand with my KOBRA. I get a lot of trigger time...I try to get out every weekend and burn 250 rounds MINIMUM. I have yet to see an AK get match anything as far as accuracy is concerned. Don't get me wrong I love my SAR-1, but with all my animosity to the .223 round it still is far more accurate coming out of an AR than any AK caliber type.
Now if you want a gun that works all the time, my money will ALWAYS be with the AK!!! I see AR problems ALL THE TIME, but rarely an AK problem at the range!!!
If you want some better accuracy out of a battle rifle, go with a FAL, or a G3, CETME, or even an AR-10 (DPMS's Panther bull barrel varmint rifle is pretty frickin accurate!!!).
I'll always have my AK by my side though, I know it'll never let me down!!

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/18816blackcloud-med.jpg

[arkie]

I traded with the guy that has it now in Tulsa a year ago. I traded him that rifle for a SA M1A National Match that was made in 1985. That Legend has some unique features. I bought it about 6 years ago at a Memphis, TN gunshow from a guy that had bought Keng's Firearm Specialty's remaining inventory in 1992. There were 1,500 NM-47's brought into the country - 1,000 blonde wood (as the one you saw) and 500 dark (like conventional Legends). All of them had buttplates, except the very first 100. If you looked close, you would see that there was no buttplate on that rifle, instead the wood is serrated. It was unfired as long as I had it, and technically I was the first retail owner of that weapon. I don't know if the guy I traded it to shot it or not, I hope he hasn't. I should have held on to it, but I traded for that NM M1A, that ended up being traded for the nicest Garand I have - a M1 Garand sold through the DCM in 1960 that is for all intents and purposes a new gun (not rebuilt - every part is as it left the factory in 1954).

[AKSU-74]

I'm pretty sure there is no "match-grade" ammo for the 7.62x39, but for 100 and 200 yd shooting you don't get that much more from the boat-tail bullets. And the .003" difference in diameter doesn't lose that much accuracy either, so you can go with any of the .308 dia bullets. I've heard a couple of places that the 150 gr bullets shoot better in the x39 than the 123-125 gr anyway.

A couple of suggestions: loosen up the handguard and the gas tube so that neither binds the barrel; let it float, more or less. And you can bed the handguard and reduce the horizontal dispersion (at least, it works on the Saiga). I've thought about putting a steel or aluminum block that would fit snugly into the receiver as a mount for the lower handguard so it wouldn't be touching the barrel at all, if you really wanted to float the barrel.


About the aluminum block, are you refering to something like a retainer that the hand guards sit in to like that of an FAL/Galil or something else?

[preokc]

skilter, ive shot many rounds through my mak 91 with the 386 milled receiver. ive put a yugo rpk ajustable rear sight on it that has orange lettering on it and an orange front blade i got from tapco. the gun has national match stamped on it but i very seriously doubt the gun was built for compatition.that said it is the most accurate ak variant i have. the gun is BEAUTIFUL. dark blue finish. the furniture was ugly. maroon stain that looked like it was brushed on but i found a honey colored stock set and it looks so sweet on it. i go plinking at a place that is on state land and they allow you to shoot there. i take old engine parts and empty brake brake cleaner cans and shoot them up.the hunters that go there to sight in there bolt rifles hate me because between me and my son(he loves my bushmaster m17s)it looks like popcorn with all the cans flying around when we shoot. the reason i take my 91 is because its the best.it never fails to load and i can hit with it nearly 99% of the time when people are watching with guns worth alot more. not to sound arogant, this is my only chinese post ban variant, but i wouldnt trade it for the world.if you have a chance to pick one up i highly recommend it.the main thing i look at though is the ejector surface when buying a used ak.this will give you the best idea of a rifles use.to JA thanks for the link!that is the best chinese ak site ive seen yet. PE

[JA]

Thanks,I have been working on it since 1998.

[Packrat]

The 7.62x39 round is reasonably accurate. The problem with the Russian ammo is that they hold very loose tolerances in their powder measurement; I've heard they can differ by a grain in a single ammo lot. Also, the bullets are not precision manufacture. With handloads using good (not match, but quality bullets) the round is easily capable of 1 MOA in a bolt-action with a good barrel. In a mass-produced AK, with tolerances loosened to ensure functioning rather than accuracy, the Soviet army was satisfied with 6 MOA accuracy--enough to make head-shots possible from a rest. If more accuracy was needed, the job was turned over to an SVD gunner.

[JakeTheSnakeOO7]

Check out armalite's new A-10 in a .300 Remington Short Ultra Magnum. It's not an AK but hell give credit where credit's due.
http://www.armalite.com

[torque65]

My MAK-91 has "National Match" stamped on it also. All that stamping means is that the rifle was found to be within minimum spec of the prints for the rifle.
No matter what it means, the MAK is the most solid of my AK's and the most accurate off the bench. Can shoot 3 MOA with American ammo on a good day. Wolf groups 5-6 MOA if you ignore the flyers.

[matt]

The Polytech milled receiver AK47S is the closest to a match grade
type weapon. There are so many completed stages involved in the
polytech legends manufacture, that there's nothing that will touch them at
present.
i've had best results from the Chinese steel/copper clad ammo for target.