Bullpup ? [Archive] - The AK Files Forums

Antares

11-03-2003, 05:09 PM

The main complaint about the kvar kit is the trigger mechanism. That thin little wire makes the trigger springy and kind of makes a "Twannnngggggg" when ya pull it.

However ... I like the concept and will be designing my own that may or may not be put into production in the future.

:_penguin:

bookworm

11-04-2003, 11:37 AM

Please follow the above link to the pictures of my bullpub. It was built on a K-Var kit with a Romanian SAR-2. The handling is superb and look awsome at the range. Like Antares said, the trigger pull is long, but smooth like a double action pistol. The new trigger is connected to the trigger group by some sort of piano wire. You need to GREASE it and you won't hear the twang. My buddy, Big50 did the whole thing for me. He also added a Miculek muzzle brake and the gun is so smooth to shoot. No muzzle flip and the recoil is the best ( so light! ).
If you need technical question, please e-mail Big50 at:
big50hk@cox.net. His web site: http://www.big50hk.com

iolaus

11-04-2003, 11:59 AM

I've heard that it's difficult, but not impossible, to use this conversion on a milled reciever. Is this true ?

bookworm

11-04-2003, 04:36 PM

I know the conversion has been done on AK-47s but I am not sure if it was from a milled receiver or not? Please e-mail Big50 - he will tell you. His address is: big50hk@cox.net.
But remember, the cost of your AK will go up (the conversion kit is around $230 added to the cost of your rifle). I bought an Ultimak for my red dot scope that transferred the heat to the red dot after I shot only 30 rounds (bad thing for electronic device). The Ultimak clamps to the barrel. I recommend the K-Var mount since it replaces the rear sight of your rifle.

KenR_RedStarArms

11-04-2003, 05:23 PM

I am very interested in this design to test some tactical set ups.

parts are very high around $400 total.

iolaus

11-04-2003, 05:45 PM

KenR, That's very nice. Much cleaner than the KVAR set up. Is that stuff stocked at Red Star Arms ? If not, where can we get details ?

KenR_RedStarArms

11-04-2003, 06:03 PM

They are built in Japan for there booming non gun gun fun. Designed for there full size exact AK
mock ups that fire those weird little pellets. I ordered a set to see if it could be made to work on
a SAR-3 SAR-2 I have in the shop. If it does and I like it I will try to buy enough to sell here as a
stock conversion kit. If not I’ve spent more for less.

Ken RSA

Packrat

11-04-2003, 10:38 PM

Ken, about what would these run? I've worked on a design
for an AK bullpup, but haven't got anything I really like--
every time I get a design, I find something wrong with it.
I think I might find an AK around that I could try it on.

iolaus

11-05-2003, 02:48 PM

Just the forearm and top sight mount would be nice

ByronF

11-05-2003, 03:19 PM

Damn thing looks like a cheese grater with all those rail mounts. I do like the concept and appearance, but SHEESH! Enough with the rails already. I'd need gloves just to carry it without bloodletting.

Byron

iolaus

11-05-2003, 05:14 PM

That side mount might come off. Gotta have somewhere to sight thru though, it looks like you wouldn't be able to use the standard sights. And a set-up like that is just begging for a forward vertical grip/flashlight

iolaus

11-07-2003, 04:26 PM

It just occured to me, (all right, I'm slow) if these parts are made in japan, then they're not going to count for converting my SLR 95 to a pistol grip. Thats three parts I won't be able to use in the parts count. ( Foregrip, pistol grip, butt stock) DAMN !!! :cry_small :mad_small

KenR_RedStarArms

11-07-2003, 08:05 PM

Ron and Randall Power know the Hogues rather well. Making stocks grips etc. is there world. If we can get it to work we can get it made in the USA.

Taking the design forward will cut R and D costs. The molds will be high enough as is. This is all speculation. Can we get it to work will be the first hurdle.

Ken RSA

iolaus

11-08-2003, 05:52 PM

:small_gri Cool !!!

footlongcuban

11-08-2003, 08:10 PM

Ken, That bull-pup looks neat and very promising...and that comes from a strict, no AK bull-pup guy. I think it definately is worth pursuing. -FLC

Other AK Bullpup designs.

http://www.specialairsoftsupplies.co.uk/sas/Members/mark/2002_12_06_1039216729959/get_pic

Packrat

11-08-2003, 08:33 PM

Cuban, that's nice. And would only take 2 parts, depending on how the trigger is done. I kind of worked on one with the trigger bar running in a tube on the left bottom of the receiver (outside).

Rule .308

11-10-2003, 01:08 PM

FLC, where does that bullpup design hail from? I think it is much more appealing than the one in post #7, it is a definite bull pup yet it retains its AK roots nicely, looks like less parts too.

footlongcuban

11-10-2003, 10:21 PM

Good to see you Rule .308!

Thats an AIRSOFT bullpup design I found on the web. Right click on the picture and go down to "properties" and you can read the website address.

I actually like the lines on the one Ken displayed a little better. Either way they are a promising idea.

KenR_RedStarArms

11-11-2003, 12:46 PM

I like that pup too!! Looks like I better order one from the UK. Thats what I love CHOICES.

Ken RSA

TaranScorp

11-12-2003, 01:04 PM

Will the AirSoft bullpup parts actually work on a real AK? If it would is the material it's made from sturdier than K-Vars?
Thanks

iolaus

11-12-2003, 02:26 PM

Hey Ken,
If you decide not stock that, could you at least post a link to order? I kind of like that scope mount (minus the side piece).

ByronF

11-12-2003, 04:05 PM

FLCuban,

Where would you put your off-hand with that contraption? I don't imagine airsoft barrels heat up much, but that sucker requires some serious chicken-mitting on a real AK.

Byron

Packrat

11-12-2003, 08:46 PM

Curve your left hand (no wimpy "ambi" designs here!) around
the front bar (hand protector) of the grip. Or put a handguard
on the barrel.

AK105

12-02-2003, 11:03 PM

I like the one that KenR showed, I have a Tiaga-2 Scope that I'd put on a Millett mount that replaces the sight, that would do away with the extra rails and maybe some weight too.

bushflyr

12-11-2003, 06:32 PM

DAMMIT!!! I'm not even done with my first AK and I've got to get another kit.

iolaus

03-10-2004, 08:15 PM

Ken,
Any word on that Bullpup design?

Apple_Tech

03-13-2004, 01:34 AM

How does that K-Var bullpup set up hold up against heat? Can it take a few mag dumps?

bookworm

03-13-2004, 03:30 PM

For myself, I do not have any problem cycling thru the whole mag at a time. I always let it cool down for 5 or 10 minutes between mags. But I heard other complaining about melting around the front handguard.

Paul.S

03-19-2004, 06:49 AM

I have never seen the conversion kit,but when I asked around about it all the feedback was negative.

Many use it as a place to start as there are not many other options. Lots of room for improvement in the trigger, some have reported good results with a bicycle cable. -Paul

Pantera

02-08-2005, 10:02 AM

Or this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Pantera_351/Pict0044.jpg

:D

iolaus

02-08-2005, 12:46 PM

Or this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Pantera_351/Pict0044.jpg

:D

Details??

Pantera

02-08-2005, 03:22 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Pantera_351/Pict0047.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Pantera_351/Pict0045.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Pantera_351/Pict0052.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Pantera_351/Pict0053.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/Pantera_351/Pict0046.jpg

Rifle is 27 1/4 long.
trigger pull is better than standard ak, but less than a tweaked RSA
it is called "Puma" only it is written in russian cryllic letters, just below the scope on left side.
All the details, and rough diagram are at Gunco.
http://www.gunco.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4924