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77patriots

07-22-2012, 10:02 PM

Why did Jesus tell His disciples to buy a sword?

At the Last Supper, Luke records this dialogue:

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That is enough,” he replied.

Luke 22:36-38

JESUS WAS/IS PRO-GUN
:angel1:

sleestak70

07-22-2012, 10:12 PM

because he new that eventually they would be kicking the palestinians out of palestine. Give or take a few years. Thats just a guess.

bubbazan68

07-22-2012, 11:23 PM

please dont star to take stuff out of context like others,
i mean i know what you are saying but please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

35 And He said to them, “ When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” 36 And He said to them, “But now, [e]whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and [f]whoever has no sword is to sell his [g]coat and buy one. 37 For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘ And He was numbered with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its [h]fulfillment.” 38 They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.”

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the why they were to get or have them

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49 When those who were around Him saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?” 50 And one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered and said, “[j]Stop! No more of this.” And He touched his ear and healed him.

================= thats all no other reason

panzertruppe

07-22-2012, 11:41 PM

Because Jesus didn't like anti-sword legislation at the time.

panzertruppe

jgon281

07-23-2012, 12:36 AM

Because Jesus didn't like anti-sword legislation at the time.

panzertruppe

that was a good un'

BBill

07-23-2012, 06:13 AM

because he new that eventually they would be kicking the palestinians out of palestine. Give or take a few years. Thats just a guess.

Ha Ha Ha!! They are the cockroaches of the world!

Burn the Horse

07-23-2012, 07:17 AM

Because Jesus didn't like anti-sword legislation at the time.

panzertruppe

Haha, yeah that was pretty funny bud. :rofl_smal

jroberts1968

07-23-2012, 08:02 AM

[QUOTE=77patriots;1055841]Why did Jesus tell His disciples to buy a sword?

At the Last Supper, Luke records this dialogue:

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That is enough,” he replied.

Luke 22:36-38

JESUS WAS/IS PRO-GUN
:angel1:[/QUOTE

Jesus owned major shares in both steel mills in the Samaria area. He also had the support of 2 of the 3 steel unions in Samaria and Galilee he won the support by a promise of 5 day work week and national health care system. He wanted to be Governor. He ended up losing his bid for the governor. The main stream media controlled by the new and rising "Wine Party" found out about his hidden bank accounts in Egypt. They crucified him in the papers and billboard adds. In those days they fed a politician to the lions. With his run for governor over He took a position with a human rights group working with blind, homeless, needy, and sick kinda ike UNISEF of his day. This organization grew world wide and changed there name some time after his death to the Christian Church and then it took off. He also had a few book deals and a major motion picture deal. His origination received all proceed from the later after his death.:):)

Cy4ka

07-23-2012, 08:06 AM

Because there were no guns at the time?

Just1more

07-23-2012, 05:05 PM

Was he actually talking about a sword or something else?

How about Ephesians 6:17....and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God:

cazzman

07-23-2012, 05:23 PM

"Live by the sword or die by the sword"

Just1more

07-23-2012, 05:27 PM

"Live by the sword or die by the sword"

Pretty close Matt. 26:52....for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

sjohnson

07-23-2012, 05:34 PM

To fulfill the prophecy that the Christ would be labelled a criminal in his last days.

jroberts1968

07-23-2012, 06:01 PM

To fulfill the prophecy that the Christ would be labelled a criminal in his last days.

Bank accounts in Egypt...

warp2diesel

07-23-2012, 07:24 PM

Because there were no guns at the time?

X2

lsmurphy

07-23-2012, 09:00 PM

It wasn't the last super.

It was Passover.

lsmurphy

07-23-2012, 09:04 PM

BTW the more important question here is why did Jesus choose men like Peter?

The desciples were manly men, tough, fighters.

Not the pussies of today, cowards.

Jesus knew exactly what Peter would do with it.

binkybeat

07-23-2012, 09:46 PM

Because Jesus was awesome, and the AK74 hadn't been invented yet.

S. Fisher

07-24-2012, 02:16 AM

AKRAGE

07-24-2012, 02:30 AM

Because the prices on Saiga's skyrocketed on an election year

bubbazan68

07-24-2012, 12:29 PM

mrabolli

07-24-2012, 02:25 PM

Because Jesus was awesome, and the AK74 hadn't been invented yet.

+1

lol.

mrabolli

07-24-2012, 02:34 PM

please explain John then

just to add .02 real quick. There were many political and religous groups at the time of Christ. you hear of two all the time Pharisees and saducees and while they were the dominate two there were others including the Essenes which we believe was the sect of judiasm that preserved the Dead Sea Scrolls as we call them today. A truly amazing find and a confirmation on the accuracy of Scripture through all those centuries. The Essenes recognized the time they lived and knew Messiah was coming in their lifetime and rejected the sin and corruption of Jerusalem and other towns. They communed out in the wilderness and awaited what they mistakenly understood to be the end of the current age.
There was also a group called the Zealots and they advanced the cause for violent overthrow of the Romans ruling over them. It is widely believed that one or more of the disciples that Jesus invited to follow Him were of this sort. Evidence is when Simon Peter got angry and tried to kill one of the guards while making an arrest on Jesus.

But as with all the disciples you have to compare the men before Pentacost or Shavuot as recorded in Acts and after the event.

The Holy Spirit now operating in their lives made them powerful for service but not in the physical or fleshly way. Look at the result of the Spirit of God in their lives from when they were just Jesus followers to when they were believers.

andoru

07-24-2012, 04:00 PM

I'll be honest, and say that I don't really know.

I believe it was a little of all of the above. I mean not including the jokes or ignoramus comments.

JohnFreeman

07-24-2012, 05:05 PM

please explain John then

You sound like my wife

John

Kaninchen

07-25-2012, 01:58 AM

Pvt.Joker

07-25-2012, 02:05 AM

The meaning of, "All that take sword, perish" is certainly mysterious..How many soldiers or cops died peacefully in their beds at old age? What about that Roman Centurion (slays men WITH SWORDS OMG) who, according to Jesus, was oh so "righteous"?

Clearly using a sword or "gun" is not evil or guaranteed to get you shot. Then we must ask ourselves what does that verse really frackin mean!?

In the end, we ALL "perish". But those who "take sword" at least have a chance to not perish by the tyranny of the wicked men who would take their lives otherwise at will. I think perhaps the other line about "God helps those who help themselves" comes into play here, too.

Just1more

07-25-2012, 05:41 AM

In the end, we ALL "perish". But those who "take sword" at least have a chance to not perish by the tyranny of the wicked men who would take their lives otherwise at will. I think perhaps the other line about "God helps those who help themselves" comes into play here, too.

I'm curious, but when you use "God helps those who help themselves" exactly what scripture in the Bible are you referring to?

lsmurphy

07-25-2012, 05:57 AM

I'm curious, but when you use "God helps those who help themselves" exactly what scripture in the Bible are you referring to?

There is no scripural referrence to that......hahahah.

God blesses those who obey. That is lost on 90% of so-called christians.

lsmurphy

07-25-2012, 06:00 AM

The meaning of, "All that take sword, perish" is certainly mysterious..How many soldiers or cops died peacefully in their beds at old age? What about that Roman Centurion (slays men WITH SWORDS OMG) who, according to Jesus, was oh so "righteous"?

Clearly using a sword or "gun" is not evil or guaranteed to get you shot. Then we must ask ourselves what does that verse really frackin mean!?

David murdered and killed, he killed 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands and yet he did not die by the sword. He died in misery.

Live by.......die by.......... it's a reflection of attitude. One can choose to live in peace or live by war and all that comes with it.

Simply reflects a choice..........to follow God's law and commands or to live in distress. Means nothing more.

Just1more

07-25-2012, 06:08 AM

There is no scripural referrence to that......hahahah.

God blesses those who obey. That is lost on 90% of so-called christians.

I know, but there are some scriptures that make inference to this.

There is a lot of the Bible lost on so-called christians

Just1more

07-25-2012, 06:17 AM

Jesus never advocated violence! He plainly said if my kingdom was of this world My Father would send 12 legions of angels to fight. Setting up his kingdom in this world. He would really only need one.

mojo00

07-25-2012, 11:58 AM

Jesus never advocated violence!

No he didnt, but he sure had no problem being violent when necessary. The same goes for the "buy a sword" passage....Jesus knew times were tough, travel was dangerous, arm yourself for DEFFENCE not offence as one spreads the gospel and lives in a corrupt world.

Just1more

07-25-2012, 02:27 PM

No he didnt, but he sure had no problem being violent when necessary. The same goes for the "buy a sword" passage....Jesus knew times were tough, travel was dangerous, arm yourself for DEFFENCE not offence as one spreads the gospel and lives in a corrupt world.

Absolutely correct, this is a very important distinction, the difference between self defense and offense against others, especially as it pertains to religion.

Not to be confused with Him kicking the money changers out of His Fathers house. Ep. 4:26 Be angry and sin not.

Paul, spoke of perils in II Cor. 11:26, after the manner of men fighting with beasts in I Cor. 15:32, but i think this scripture is a stretch. Where i think self defense can be seen

egs89

07-25-2012, 03:47 PM

The meaning of, "All that take sword, perish" is certainly mysterious..How many soldiers or cops died peacefully in their beds at old age? What about that Roman Centurion (slays men WITH SWORDS OMG) who, according to Jesus, was oh so "righteous"?

Clearly using a sword or "gun" is not evil or guaranteed to get you shot. Then we must ask ourselves what does that verse really frackin mean!?
"Those who live by the sword shall die by sword" I believe it means those who are violent without good reason. If you’re a tyrant who loves shooting people in the back of the head, Chances are you'll die in a similar fashion.

ColonelKorn

07-25-2012, 06:40 PM

Jesus told them to buy a sword because there were no guns back then

HottAK47

07-25-2012, 11:44 PM

It was explained to me that the point of having the two swords was to show that his folowers could have defended him by worldly means ,had they chosen to. That is to say to show that he willingly went into captivity.

John07425

07-26-2012, 03:32 AM

Jesus told them to buy a sword because there were no guns back then

Do people even read the other responses before responding? Yeah we get it, they didn't have guns, ha ha ha. Nice original joke.

mojo00

07-26-2012, 07:42 PM

Do people even read the other responses before responding? Yeah we get it, they didn't have guns, ha ha ha. Nice original joke.

+1

Tommo

07-27-2012, 07:50 AM

Because there were not any guns in those days!

mrabolli

07-27-2012, 06:27 PM

because there were no guns back then!!!!!!!!!

motorhead

07-28-2012, 12:38 PM

BECAUSE THEY WERE ON SALE!