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thud
02-10-2004, 09:28 PM
Well, I finally got it done.

http://home.earthlink.net/~kono3082/images/TAPCO flat AK build 01.JPG

The receiver is a TAPCO flat that I folded. The stock is a Galil that I got from FAC; it's welded open, so it's legal. I have dubbed it "the kit from hell", not because of the TAPCO flat (that was easy), but because of everything else that went wrong with the build.

Folding the flat was the easy part. I'll post something about the folding jigs when I get a couple of bugs worked out. The initial fold (the bottom fold) was easy. The top rail folds were more difficult and caused the jig to deform (hence, the bugs to be worked out). I heat treated the entire receiver, which indirectly caused many problems (see below). I plug welded the two lower rails and filled and redrilled the hole for the hammer pivot pin on the lower rail. A lot of adjusting was needed to get the bolt to slide properly.

After consulting with a few un-named experts (who really are experts), I decided that I needed to heat treat the entire receiver. Actually, I don't think that full heat treating is necessary for the average person; we just don't put that much stress on the rifle. To reduce the amount of scaling, I decided to coat the receiver with a mixture of borax, boric acid, and iron oxide (its a flux used in brazing). I brought the receiver up to 1600 deg F and quenched it in water; I then immediately tempered the receiver at 900 deg F and air cooled. I should have removed the flux before I tempered; the flux mixed with the quench water, formed an acid, and etched the steel, and I got shallow pitting ALL over the receiver (less than 0.001 inch deep but it looked like shit). Testing later showed that all I needed to do was preheat the furnace to 1600 deg F, place the receiver inside for about 5 minutes and quench. The amount of scale formed is minimal, and I didn't need the flux (anti-scaling). I ended up spraying the receiver with an automotive filling primer to fill the etching.

Heat treating the holes (trigger and hammer) is easy, if you have a MAPP torch. Heat the hole to a bright straw or yellow color and immediately quench in water. Do that to each hole. Next, brighten up each hole with 400 grit sandpaper; with the metal around the hole "shiny" you can easily see the color change when tempering. Again, with the MAPP torch reheat the whole side of the receiver slowly (keep the torch 6 inches or so away and play the flame back and forth across a wide area) until the bright metal turns dull dark grey; let cool at room temperature. You are done.

I made a set of go/no-go gauges from cherry picked, long Wolf brand cartridges. I epoxied a 0.005 inch shim to the longest one and used the next longest one to set the headspacing.

I pressed the barrel to the slot originally set in the trunnion; this turned out to be 0.20 too big, so out came the barrel again. I welded over the slot and ground down the weld, then polished the barrel where it fit the trunnion. I repressed the barrel and set the headspace. I then redrilled the barrel through the trunnion and used the original pin to pin the barrel. My un-named experts (see above) warned me that I needed a sharp drill to redrill the barrel. My Drill Doctor kept the bit sharp; I had to sharpen it twice. After all this I found a small crack in the trunnion radiating up through the guide ears for the rear sight (just where the pin comes out of the trunnion). This area is not subjected to major stress during firing, but it is a concern. I did a complete penetration
weld over the crack and will watch this area very carefully for the first 1000 rounds.

I built the adaptor for the Galil stock, but that is a whole different story.

I also built a jig to stamp out a serial number on the receiver along with the caliber. That was partially successful and cost way too much in time and effort.

I finished the rifle by parkerizing it and GunKoting it. I used the satin black GunKote.

I am going to go back and add three 12 oz tinners rivets to each side rail. I just don't trust the plug welds. The rivets will just add additional strength to the alignment of the rails.

sniper69
02-11-2004, 08:43 AM
looks good, so bending th eflat was easy?? curious...

Virginia Jake
02-11-2004, 09:38 AM
What a great looking build! I am going to do the same thing, but, I am going to put an ACE skeleton butt stock on an AMD 65. Did you make the rear trunion from scratch?

Virginia Jake

hkshooter
02-11-2004, 09:59 AM
One question:


WHY?!
Don't you enough problems in life?!

dalegribble
02-11-2004, 02:42 PM
Nice looking rifle Thud! I have a question concerning the heat treatment of the FCG holes. Are there any problems with warpage using the method that you outlined? Also, would a MAPP/Oxy torch be better as it would heat the metal quicker or is the slower MAPP only method preferable?


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Heat treating the holes (trigger and hammer) is easy, if you have a MAPP torch. Heat the hole to a bright straw or yellow color and immediately quench in water. Do that to each hole. Next, brighten up each hole with 400 grit sandpaper; with the metal around the hole "shiny" you can easily see the color change when tempering. Again, with the MAPP torch reheat the whole side of the receiver slowly (keep the torch 6 inches or so away and play the flame back and forth across a wide area) until the bright metal turns dull dark grey; let cool at room temperature. You are done.
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thud
02-11-2004, 08:02 PM
dalegribble

It was a MAPP/oxy torch. Sorry, but since my MAPP torch has always had an oxygen bottle, I tend to forget that you can have just a MAPP torch.

Virginia Jake

Yes, I fabricated the adaptor for the Galil stock; I don't think anyone is manufacturing such an adaptor. I have an ACE skeleton stock, too, but I'm going to put it on an AK74/AK102 clone that I am working on. It should be done in the next month or two.

When you get the 47 built, give us a pic so that we can admire your handy work.

Odin
02-11-2004, 08:04 PM
Thud

The build looks great. Can't wait until we can get together so you can let me use your jigs (now that you know the pitfalls). Have not yet received my flat, but it should be here any day. Will be getting the global trades Polish kit.

Odin

Jaeger
02-14-2004, 05:38 PM
Nice Job!!! I like the way you attached the buttstock(as opposed to the ace adapter). Can't wait to hear more about your bending jig!!

Makman
02-18-2004, 09:35 PM
Looks great. How did you bend the flat?

thud
02-18-2004, 11:07 PM
I pressed out two receivers tonight, and I'll post some pictures of the jigs this weedend. I think I have most of the bugs worked out. The recievers are from 4130 sheet steel, not flats. I can press the two dimples for the mag alignment as well as the ramp in front of the mag. Just a few more modifications, and I'll be done.

nhcruffler
02-20-2004, 11:02 AM
My hats off to you Thud! Not too many people have made a working rifle from a TAPCO flat. How long did you say this took you?

wolfkidd
01-01-2005, 01:02 AM
I would really like to see and hear about the adaptor for the Galil stock, since that's exactly what I'm interested in doing with my AMD-65 build- I like the look of the Galil stock, it's shorter than the "Galil style" folding stocks everyone is selling, and seems to me sturdier than the "modular system" that Ace is selling; the Ace stocks just require too many screws, and just seem to beg for stripped screws or screw-holes, and sheared-off screws under high-stress situations . At the very least I'd love to see drawings and/or detailed photos!

Wolf


I built the adaptor for the Galil stock, but that is a whole different story.

shadow29483
01-01-2005, 05:42 PM
Show us the bending jig.....PLEEEEEEEASE!

alpo
01-02-2005, 10:28 AM
Looks Great!!! Nice job.

justashooter
01-03-2005, 11:31 AM
My hats off to you Thud! Not too many people have made a working rifle from a TAPCO flat. How long did you say this took you?

i did it a year ago, and have schooled a dozen builders thru the process. had my hand in about 60, for myself and with other people.

19kilo
01-03-2005, 09:55 PM
The stock is a Galil that I got from FAC; it's welded open, so it's legal.
Well, with the AWB dead, now would be great time to break out the Dremmel and make the stock the way God had intended! No point in having a folding stock that don't fold!
I am not fan of the Galil stock...but the rest of the rifle is very well done,
Good Luck,
KILO OUT

seagiant1
01-06-2005, 11:42 PM
Hi Thud,
Nice weapon! Can you tell me if you had any problem with the hammer and trigger holes being lined up correctly after the bend from one side of the reciever to the other? I ask because everything is predrilled and dimpled and it seems that it would be easy to miss on this! Thanks for the info!!!